Andrew Tate arrested for human trafficking

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: TH3K1N60FK1N65
originally posted by: SRPrime




An idiot says "A girl is at a party, doing drugs with nothing but frat boys she doesn't know, and she gets raped, why isn't she responsible for being in the dangerous situation she put herself in?"

So a woman is not allowed to expect not to be raped, no matter what she does? The rapist is the one who is responsible not her.

Nobody said that. In fact the opposite. Speaking for myself I am saying a girl in that situation will have to meet an extremely high evidentiary burden to prove those claims and if she does castrate him. She has responsibility for her actions just as he does. If the girls lied because they are gold diggers he bears a lot of responsibility for surrounding himself with hoes.

Why is saying that everyone needs to be personally responsible controversial. I am quite sure if I had my life savings in a suitcase in the back seat of a car and I parked it in San Francisco while I went to eat and it got smashed and grabbed then would you feel sorry for me or would you think I was stupid?

You are comparing a non personal non violent crime, broken window, money stolen, to a violent personal assault. I can assume leaving money in plain view in a public space may be stolen. However attending a frat party or going to a bar, even if wearing a short skirt, should not have the assumption that a man cannot control himself, and will violently take something not offered or given to him.

So crimes don’t count if nobody is physically hurt. Want to stick with that?

I guess you missed where I labeled both a crime? There is a punishment for both.

However, trying to equate your car broken into because you left money on the seat, with a woman being raped because she was at a frat party or a bar? Ummm..smdh

a reply to: Irishhaf

At this stage a woman needs to expect that in a room full of guys at least 1 will want to rape her,

What one *wants* to do is highly different from what one *does* or *attempts* to do.

Sorry not read the whole thread-but has anyone mentioned or explained the hand signals that both brothers were making during their arrest-in fact both during the part of their arrest that they could see they were being filmed by the media?

That seems ATS worthy,if we must talk about these a55h0les..

Triangle/inverted triangle shape made by thumbs and index fingers,both brothers do it during arrest-at seperate locations..

A rehersed signal perhaps?
Remember they have a cult lke following of young impressionable idiots who have fallen for their MLM pyramid schemes..
Project mayhem vibes

Bonus point-one of them recently tweeted something about the illuminati.

a reply to: SirHardHarry

we used to teach young people to not put yourself into a position to provide opportunity to one of those people with bad intentions.

Now we no longer seem to do so and people are shocked when horrible things happen, when different choices could have alleviated the risk.

She shouldnt have to worry about a guy, but a woman cant control the choices a guy makes, she can only control the risk she herself takes.

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: TH3K1N60FK1N65
originally posted by: SRPrime




An idiot says "A girl is at a party, doing drugs with nothing but frat boys she doesn't know, and she gets raped, why isn't she responsible for being in the dangerous situation she put herself in?"

So a woman is not allowed to expect not to be raped, no matter what she does? The rapist is the one who is responsible not her.

Nobody said that. In fact the opposite. Speaking for myself I am saying a girl in that situation will have to meet an extremely high evidentiary burden to prove those claims and if she does castrate him. She has responsibility for her actions just as he does. If the girls lied because they are gold diggers he bears a lot of responsibility for surrounding himself with hoes.

Why is saying that everyone needs to be personally responsible controversial. I am quite sure if I had my life savings in a suitcase in the back seat of a car and I parked it in San Francisco while I went to eat and it got smashed and grabbed then would you feel sorry for me or would you think I was stupid?

You are comparing a non personal non violent crime, broken window, money stolen, to a violent personal assault. I can assume leaving money in plain view in a public space may be stolen. However attending a frat party or going to a bar, even if wearing a short skirt, should not have the assumption that a man cannot control himself, and will violently take something not offered or given to him.

So crimes don’t count if nobody is physically hurt. Want to stick with that?

I guess you missed where I labeled both a crime? There is a punishment for both.

However, trying to equate your car broken into because you left money on the seat, with a woman being raped because she was at a frat party or a bar? Ummm..smdh

It’s a bad choice resulting in a crime against me. Yes it’s a crime and I should be able to leave something out because people shouldn’t steal. My choice here is to protect my belongings, don’t live in San Francisco and take responsibility for my actions. As a man I watch my surroundings and keep myself out of bad situations. And I’m more than capable of taking care of myself. There is no way in hell I would go to Tate’s house. I am amazed at what girls do with people they don’t know for money.

Would you advise your daughter to work for Tate in the porn industry? Why or why not? What are the pros and cons? The risk and rewards?

a reply to: Irishhaf

I'd argue that modern women and girls have been more conditioned to be more vigilant then at any other time in history. Hell, there's an entire industry built around trying to prevent things like date rape. Not to mention that women have developed an entire code among themselves and bartenders to help warn/let them know they're in trouble.

Instead of conditioning women they can't trust the intentions of any man maybe we should be teaching our men that there is no situation where sexual assault is an appropriate response.

At the end of the day, when a woman is sexually victimized there is only one responsible party and that person is not the victim.

The fact that Tate has such a large following among teenage boys shows that a lot of parents are still failing to instill the most basic sense of morality when it comes to sex in our males.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

You're simplifying the situation to the extreme. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, most victims of sex trafficking are trafficked by their partner.

Tate has outright stated he has a number of exes working for him.

Guys like Tate use their notoriety and wealth to draw women in, they provide them everything they could want, they distance them from their support network, and before they know it this woman is completely reliant on the guy. This guy is then able to manipulate the woman into doing whatever they want while they move on to the next victim.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Irishhaf

I'd argue that modern women and girls have been more conditioned to be more vigilant then at any other time in history. Hell, there's an entire industry built around trying to prevent things like date rape. Not to mention that women have developed an entire code among themselves and bartenders to help warn/let them know they're in trouble.

Instead of conditioning women they can't trust the intentions of any man maybe we should be teaching our men that there is no situation where sexual assault is an appropriate response.

At the end of the day, when a woman is sexually victimized there is only one responsible party and that person is not the victim.

The fact that Tate has such a large following among teenage boys shows that a lot of parents are still failing to instill the most basic sense of morality when it comes to sex in our males.

Should you depend on everyone else raising their boys properly or should you depend on you raising your daughter properly? Which do you think has the higher probability for success?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

You're simplifying the situation to the extreme. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, most victims of sex trafficking are trafficked by their partner.

Tate has outright stated he has a number of exes working for him.

Guys like Tate use their notoriety and wealth to draw women in, they provide them everything they could want, they distance them from their support network, and before they know it this woman is completely reliant on the guy. This guy is then able to manipulate the woman into doing whatever they want while they move on to the next victim.

You are saying exactly what I said. Good lord recognize. If the girls were not willing to risk everything for money they would not be in this situation. It’s not worth it. Work for what you can honestly and respectively. Value loyalty and honesty and love over money. Easy money is dirty money.

Bad choices lead to bad outcomes. It doesn’t make the perpetrators of a crime right.I , me personally, I’m going to focus on keeping the family working hard and going to church safe over the girls doing cam shows. One is trying to be safe and good one isn’t. I also don’t care when drug dealers are shot. Comes with the territory.

Teach your daughter to rest modestly and value the proper things in life and she will be safe.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Do you have daughters? Do you know the worry? You have to lecture them when they go to freaking Target or the mall. Make sure you're aware of your surroundings, make sure you are not being followed in the store, when they are in college, make sure you're with someone, try not to ever walk alone when it's dark, always watch whatever you are drinking, no matter what never separate from your friends, etc. Even though I'm depending on the way I've raised them, if they are attacked at a party, it's not their fault. And I'll tell you what, a young woman who grew up in a very dysfunctional household, who meets a man who takes care of her and treats her like a princess, but then withholds that "love" or beats her until she does what he wants is not at fault either which are the likely victims of these type of sex trafficking crimes.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You are confusing what I am saying, and people do that every time in this discussion I am NOT BLAMING HER, I am saying different choices will mitigate the risk a woman has, those are two different statements.

I talked to my wife about this subject, she told me what her dad told her, dont drink with people you do not know and if your going to drink (even with people you know) make sure someone is there that you trust your life to.

Old fashioned approach but it worked.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Why should my daughter suffer because you can't teach your son that rape is bad?

a reply to: Irishhaf

Do you mind me asking how old you and your wife are?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
And I should be able to walk up to a sitting girl pull my wanger out and swing it around in front of her without getting slapped or arrested, but hey both lines sound kind of ridiculous.

Poor comparison. She could be arrested for indecent exposure, as could you in your example.

A more accurate comparison would be that you pulling out your wanger justifies you being raped.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

50 and 38, and we both grew up in rural areas in different parts of the country where red necks tended to beat people unconscious for taking advantage of women.

People have been trying to stop sexual assault for a long time and we seem to be losing ground on that front, so until such a time as it can be fixed or we start putting perps under the jail instead of in it, women have to be vigilant.

I am also fully aware that many times the perp is someone they know and trusted, my sisters youngest daughter suffered through that.

ETA: forget to say if my son ever crosses that line I will not hesitate to take his butt behind the woodshed before taking him to the police.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Xcalibur254

You are confusing what I am saying, and people do that every time in this discussion I am NOT BLAMING HER, I am saying different choices will mitigate the risk a woman has, those are two different statements.

I talked to my wife about this subject, she told me what her dad told her, dont drink with people you do not know and if your going to drink (even with people you know) make sure someone is there that you trust your life to.

Old fashioned approach but it worked.

My Dad told me about the same thing. He added that if you ever find yourself in a place you are not familiar with, don't drink. He said always follow your gut. If something feels odd leave, if you can't leave, call home, he or one of my brothers would come pick me up.

My mom always pinned "mad money" to the inside of my bra when I was going out. This was for a cab if necessary. And this was back in the day when I knew no one that had experienced the things they were protecting me from, because back then, those kind of things were extremely rare, out where we lived.

Fast forward to today. It is insane what some of my trauma patients have experienced.

While the internet is a nightmare cesspool straight out of hell, some of the trauma my patients have experienced at the hands of family, and those that they knew and trusted, belongs in a special place in hell.

Programs, project, and even shelters, are only as good as the people that are running them. I have patients that were sexually assaulted in places where they thought no harm could come to them. More than one became the victim of assault, when some of the bartenders was being paid to spike their drinks.

Some things I can't even hint at. The world is full of enough demons.

Trust me when I say there is a wolf behind every bush, or corner. These wolves are pros, or working with pros. It is their job to snare young innocent people that think they cannot be touched. Those that think they are special or think they are safe. They are supreme masters of their craft. Our children, regardless of how well we think we have prepared them, don't stand a chance, when they decide that they know best.

The internet is their lifeline. Mom and Dad, are too old fashioned. They are fully grown, they are not stupid, so they can do as they please. I think we all at one time or another has gone through that phase. It happens, we can only hope that no harms comes to them.

But I would love to see a society where this is not the norm that it has become. I would like to have a society where my job is obsolete. We have a broken society, so it is not odd that most things in it is broken.

a reply to: Wattt6

Generally not to people who can afford proper legal representation, which I'm sure both Tait brothers can muster given his net worth.

As to people wrongfully arrested or remanded, loads of them simply cannot afford bail in a lot of nations or simply happen upon the wrong peeved-off sheriff/judge that happens to be having a bad day.

There are indeed innocent people in most jails, or so they claim, thing is most of those same people, did something to land them in the position in which they find themselves. They did not just fall out of bed and wake up in the dock.

Police can be bastards, and so can the legal system, then again Andrew Tait is not exactly a nice person considering the feelings he seems to harbor toward women.

The judge detained him for 30 days and that's not for nothing.

Let's just wait and see what materializes out the arrest.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Why should my daughter suffer because you can't teach your son that rape is bad?

Ok don’t teach her. She’ll be fine. May even have a great time with a cia agent.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Irishhaf

Do you mind me asking how old you and your wife are?

Good choices are good no matter your age.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

In Romania they can hold you while they look and decide.

Yeh, they can do that in a lot of nations, including the UK and the USA, its called being remanded in to custody.

Don’t base another country’s law on ours.

I think i have already alluded to the fact that it's Romanian law that counts considering where he was arrested.

So who knows what the hell you are on about there. LoL