Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

I absolutely love how when I suggested the reform of welfare programs and assistance to the forthcoming wave of single mothers who need help maintaining childrearing in poverty situations my question was systematically ignored.

Typical.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

LOL. Catching up on all the dudes telling the women here they are behaving irrationally.

Good luck with that, if it doesn't work at home I'm pretty sure you won't get any traction with that here.

I'll just tell them to calm down.

That always works!

a reply to: TheRedneck

‘We end this opinion where we began. Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.

Congress are also elected representatives.

That follows the wording of the 10th Amendment I posted earlier (since you seem completely unable to read anything yourself) and specifies "the citizens of each State."

Alito send this issue away from the court and into the hands of elected officials. Congress is composed officials elected by citizens of each state.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

That much I can agree with. It's a state level policy that should be determined per the democratic will of constituents residing in respective districts.

I truly feel that people just do not understand what our democratic republic really means and why a state has so much power within their borders. Something like Roe vs Wade could be Pandora's box of the federal Government just mandating everything on the whims of whom ever is in office, taking all rights away from the State.

You don't like your state, then move to another one that you do like, plain and simple. I'm doing just that in a few years as I will move from Washington back to Texas.

originally posted by: loam
Almost as profound as the Roe v Wade being overturned is the fact the draft decision was leaked.

The utter dysfunction and decay of all three of our branches of government is now complete.

Yep! This country has definitely jumped the shark and to banana republic we will go. Maybe that’s for the best. There are plenty of countries out there that can show the world how to lead than a divided/decadent and dying democracy.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SideEyeEverything
Why do you assume that all women who have abortions do so because they are forced to rather than perhaps they don't give AF about anything but themselves?

Every pro-abortion argument assumes:
the woman is helpless
the woman is blameless
the woman was somehow coerced into either having sex or having the baby
the woman is in danger, health wise or domestically

It is hard to stomach that some women just might be careless, selfish or simply don't want to deal with the consequences of their own "female empowerment", isn't it?

Are those the people you want becoming mothers? Are they all suddenly going to become unselfish?

Arguably the men who are never going to be pregnant and forced to make a traumatic but practical decision are being selfish because this topic doesn't involve us in the slightest. As a white citizen I'm not exactly an expert on minority discrimination so I can't decide who is oppressed and who isn't, and I would regard it as selfish to insert my privileged opinion where it's not qualified. And yet here all the men are, imposing their collective righteous indignation on the world. Perhaps they are terrified of their friends or family having the power to act on their individual judgment. Let's take that option away because they're too stupid or reckless to make healthy choices because that's how democracy works.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Did you know that, when in conflict, federal law supersedes state law?

No, I never really got into fairy tales.

Federal law supersedes state law when both have jurisdiction. Where is the Federal jurisdiction on abortion? The Supreme Court seems about ready to say there is none.

Both Republicans and Democrats seem to think...

... a lot of various nonsense.

Did you think I was a Republican? I'm not... never have been.

TheRedneck

a reply to: loam

Yes, it was.

Leaked so as to allow various groups, and they know who they are, to mobilize ahead of actual release.

originally posted by: optimisticcontrarian
ahh going for the ol "Im a male and I need femenism" schtick eh?

More like the 'it's fun watching you smack your head against a wall' type thing.

Go as those basement dwellers who wore the shirts around for the last few years, it wont help you get women, you just look weak

Got a wife, brohan, nice try though.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I absolutely love how when I suggested the reform of welfare programs and assistance to the forthcoming wave of single mothers who need help maintaining childrearing in poverty situations my question was systematically ignored.

Typical.

According to ACB all women need to do is to dump the newborn on a police station. That’s how much conservative REALLY care about the “sanctity of life” LOL!

originally posted by: TheRedneck
That's what I meant.

Looks like you might be getting a couple more cycles of that then.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I absolutely love how when I suggested the reform of welfare programs and assistance to the forthcoming wave of single mothers who need help maintaining childrearing in poverty situations my question was systematically ignored.

Typical.

Give the kids to the state and leave the mother to die alone and sad because she's an undeserving plebeian leeching off the taxes paid by hard working patriots. Maybe her kids will have a future that way.

/s

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

I absolutely love how when I suggested the reform of welfare programs and assistance to the forthcoming wave of single mothers who need help maintaining childrearing in poverty situations my question was systematically ignored.

I'd probably support something along those lines. But it'll have to wait until I am sure no one is trying to pass a law to have me chemically castrated. Personal priorities, don'cha know?

The hyperbole is what causes good ideas to be ignored.

Theredneck

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Whatever. Clutch those pearls tightly, because we are ripping them out of your hand come late June.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Alito send this issue away from the court and into the hands of elected officials. Congress is composed officials elected by citizens of each state.

Congress can, and good luck. Well at least it would be in their right to do, unlike what the SC did with Roe vs Wade. So this will first go back to the State level unless Congress can get it though the house and 60 votes in the Senate and all that will be a tough nut to crack as they have already tried it and failed.

It is safe to assume it will stay at the State level.

a reply to: carewemust

From the moment of conception.

It may sleep, for lack of a better term, until birth, but it's there.

My humble opinion, of course.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Did you think I was a Republican? I'm not... never have been.

I don't think about you.

Both Republican and Democrat Congress people have promised abortion bills since the reveal of this leak. So, tell them that what SCOTUS is putting out takes their power away.

You'll stop whooping and hollering "States' rights!" when Congress starts introducing federal abortion bills, as promised.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

Did you think I was a Republican? I'm not... never have been.

I don't think about you.

Both Republican and Democrat Congress people have promised abortion bills since the reveal of this leak. So, tell them that what SCOTUS is putting out takes their power away.

You'll stop whooping and hollering "States' rights!" when Congress starts introducing federal abortion bills, as promised.

Guaranteed, the plan is to overturn Roe v Wade in a desperate bid to drum up democrat support before midterms. But that's no surprise to anyone.

a reply to: loam

Whether you're celebrating or mourning this draft decision, I feel the leak is the real historical event.

Someone, somewhere, is in trouble.

If I had to guess, and that's all it is, a clerk opened his or her mouth when they shouldn't have, to someone they shouldn't have, and hey, presto, leak.

originally posted by: seagull
Someone, somewhere, is in trouble.

If I had to guess, and that's all it is, a clerk opened his or her mouth when they shouldn't have, to someone they shouldn't have, and hey, presto, leak.

They know who too.