Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Alito send this issue away from the court and into the hands of elected officials. Congress is composed officials elected by citizens of each state.

Congress can, and good luck. Well at least it would be in their right to do, unlike what the SC did with Roe vs Wade. So this will first go back to the State level unless Congress can get it though the house and 60 votes in the Senate and all that will be a tough nut to crack as they have already tried it and failed.

It is safe to assume it will stay at the State level.

Exactly. This is where we are because Congress never had the guts to legislate abortion law in the first place. This is exactly where we are going to stay, back in 1972, until Congress does something.

In the meantime, they're coming for contraception next. The Pill, the IUD, Plan B, will become illegal in every state that bans abortion.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Jesus take it easy already🤣🤣

a reply to: Brassmonkey

While the abortion issue is important, it pales in comparison to what's just happened with this leak.

Well said, sir/ma'am.

I heard this chant all during the BLM protests on TV by hardcore leftists:

“Tell me what DEMOCRACY looks like”
“This is what DEMOCRACY looks like”
Tell me what DEMOCRACY looks like”
“This is what DEMOCRACY looks like”

What this opinion says is:
if you don’t agree with how your state democracy votes or works in your individual state regarding abortion then you are more then welcome to move to a state that has a democracy that is agreeable to you.

This was the whole point in the beginning of why the states created the federal government and not the other way around. If you want to kill babies no one is forcing you to live in a state where that is prohibited.

It’s amazing how people today don’t know 8th grade Civics
Or American history. They want us to be the United STATE of America

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

In the meantime, they're coming for contraception next. The Pill, the IUD, Plan B, will become illegal in every state that bans abortion.

Who is "they"? The SC is pushing back on this because it was a wrong decision. From day one they all have known it was wrong, but they didn't have the balls either to correct it after 50 years. Let the people vote...

This is not a right to life or right for choice issue, that is for the state or Congress to decide. What you suggest above is rather outside of any argument on this, so you need to show some credible facts. Logically, I don't see it unless they want to ban rubbers and masturbation too.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Arguably the men who are never going to be pregnant and forced to make a traumatic but practical decision are being selfish because this topic doesn't involve us in the slightest.

EXCUSE ME?

That is exactly why I want Roe v. Wade relegated forever to the annals of long and best forgotten history! I am a US citizen whether anyone else wants to think so or not. That means I have the right to participate in any discussion over legality in this country. Just because I was born male, it does not follow that I should be prohibited from expressing my opinions on any legal issue this country faces.

If something I see strikes me as wrong, I WILL speak out over it, be it minority rights, abortion, or any other issue I damn well please!

And I want to see the man big enough and bad enough to stop me from having my say. I know he's out there and I know he can do it, but I've never seen anyone even close to that big and bad before, and I'd like to see them one time before I die.

TheRedneck

a reply to: RazorV66

In what way has this "ripped up the Constitution", I wonder?

There's no constitutional right to abortion on demand that I'm aware of...though Justices in the past obviously disagreed on that.

I find mildly amusing that those two assclowns would fuss about Constitutional issues, since they've never met a right they didn't want to subvert in one fashion or another...

Planned Parenthood will need to gerrymander their clinic districts 😎

a reply to: pteridine

I see.

Ben Franklin said it best (I may be paraphrasing here): "Those who would give up freedoms, for security deserve neither."

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Brassmonkey

While the abortion issue is important, it pales in comparison to what's just happened with this leak.

Well said, sir/ma'am.

Quoted for relevance.

Wooooosh

a reply to: pteridine

Somehow, that wouldn't surprise me.

If so, she should be removed, sooner, rather than later.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Who is "they"?

The people that have installed trip laws in their states, outlawing abortion as soon as Roe V Wade is overturned.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: LSU2018

www.theguardian.com...

If abortion were illegal here in Louisiana and my wife was raped and got pregnant, after I beat the guy within an inch of his life and stomp his nuts until there's nothing left, I'd improvise and drive her to the first available state to have a legal abortion.

www.theguardian.com...

Lawmakers in Missouri weighed legislation early this year that would allow individuals to sue anyone helping a patient cross state lines for an abortion. The law was ultimately blocked in the state’s legislature, but experts expect such legislation to gain more support if Roe is weakened or overturned.

BTW just using "your" wife as an example, I honestly wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but unfortunately it does happen.
This is the slippery slope we are talking about, what happens when it is illegal to travel elsewhere?
I know people will say that doesn't exist right now, but these are all things that are hot topics in states.

Plan B is considered abortion, will it also be banned?
If you can't get an abortion in your state should be you allowed to travel to other states?
Will abortion bans be absolute?

People travel to other states all the time to get weed, they just can't bring it across state lines. I guarantee you that no blue state government will ban abortion or abortion pills. Furthermore, I don't consider it an abortion until there's a heartbeat. If you've been raped, you should immediately go buy some pills just in case, and eliminate all doubt.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Don't look now, but your vaunted leader held this very same position.

When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade

www.nytimes.com...

Until he didn't.

Just like his previous stance on segregation, and so on and so forth.

You can't blame this on congress's failures with any credibility.

Nice try though!

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: TzarChasm

Arguably the men who are never going to be pregnant and forced to make a traumatic but practical decision are being selfish because this topic doesn't involve us in the slightest.

EXCUSE ME?

That is exactly why I want Roe v. Wade relegated forever to the annals of long and best forgotten history! I am a US citizen whether anyone else wants to think so or not. That means I have the right to participate in any discussion over legality in this country. Just because I was born male, it does not follow that I should be prohibited from expressing my opinions on any legal issue this country faces.

If something I see strikes me as wrong, I WILL speak out over it, be it minority rights, abortion, or any other issue I damn well please!

And I want to see the man big enough and bad enough to stop me from having my say. I know he's out there and I know he can do it, but I've never seen anyone even close to that big and bad before, and I'd like to see them one time before I die.

TheRedneck

PEAS AND CARROTS

I don't know what raising your text volume is meant to do, maybe it worked here too.

You're not prohibited from discussion, but you look damn silly acting like you know women's rights better than women do unless you're planning to be impregnated and want to ensure the safety of your unborn fetus. Here's an idea, keep living your best life and keep your nose out of the neighbors business. Don't ask, don't tell.

If it's your prerogative to make a display of jackassery in a public setting, make sure to drink a healthy amount of top shelf giggle juice before you do just in case you regret your antics a week later. Then you can plausibly blame it on the spirits.

Save your huffing and puffing for the yacht club.

I think, I feel, that the moral issue is being overlooked here intentionally.

Now people are frantic, looking at other ways of ending the lives of the living unborn humans.

Instead of not creating them in the first place.

If we spent as much time, effort and money into preventing unwanted pregnancies or spent the money and time and effort into foster homes, maybe people wouldn't have to put in so much god damned effort into justifying the intentional deaths of living unborn humans.

It must be real because some Leaders are snapping !!!!!! 😎


Senator Warren Snaps

A visibly shaken and angry Senator Elizabeth Warren just spoke in-front of #SCOTUS.

a reply to: xuenchen

She scurried away like a rat when confronted with truth.

Not one of the "women" leaders of the Dem party want to
talk about the truth of abortion.

It is not a magic fix, ending the life of another to make
ones life more convenient. Just ask all of the counselors
who deal with women 40 years later full of grief for killing
their unborn child!

Ask any women who can not conceive because of an abortion.
Or the ones who finally do only to lose the baby when they
desperately want it, right?

Abortion, the word is tossed around like a beach ball on spring
break, but the reality is a dark world full of pain and suffering
and greed and corruption. It is a very disgusting industry in addition
to the moral failures.

When you stretch a rubber band far enough you have to expect a snap back at some point. Democrats have gone so far off the rails for so long I think its safe to say more of these snap backs are coming. You can not greet extremism with moderation. You will lose every time. The only way to combat extremism is with equal opposite extremism. When both sides can finally agree they are both being extreme, then and only then can calmer more centrist views take hold.

originally posted by: loam
Almost as profound as the Roe v Wade being overturned is the fact the draft decision was leaked.

The utter dysfunction and decay of all three of our branches of government is now complete.

Exactly what we were talking about at work today. Our government is done. Leaks like a sieve in all branches and departments. Too many moles.