Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

Next step martial law ? , the ground work may already have been signed into law this week along with the increased sentences for deserting troops.

Voluntary surrender and looting are punished by 10 and 15 years in prison, respectively, with “mobilization, martial law and wartime” listed as aggravating circumstances.

Desertion during mobilization or wartime will be punished by up to 10 years, according to the bill authored by members of all parties represented in parliament.

Conscientious objectors are punished by up to three years in prison during wartime.

The bill introduces the concepts of “mobilization, martial law and wartime” previously not mentioned in the Russian Criminal Code, according to human rights lawyer Pavel Chikov, who first reported on the draft Duma bill.
www.themoscowtimes.com...

Although it would be extremely risky for the Kremlin could martial law be the next step to stem the exodus of fighting age men ?

a reply to: gortex


It`s getting more likely that martial is coming ...


People who escaped Russia are the lucky , as right now anyway .

a reply to: Kenzo

Damage to a weapon's furniture is one thing. But corrosion and rust on the firing mechanism, not good.

Cheers

a reply to: 38181

Guess they'll find out the first time they fire them

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3 years in prison for being a conscientious objector during war is pretty mild when considering the alternative.

a reply to: gortex
Martial law is the next logical step-the country is spiraling,protests everywhere,people trying to escape the borders,sanctions taking hold on the economy about to be made much worse as vital industry and services are stripped of personel for cannon meat.
Mix that with a leader who if he wasn't paranoid before has now likely become so as people start to see how his war is destroying the homeland and unrest grows.
Even his supposed mates Xi and Modi dissed him to his face at the asian meet up last week,yet still he decided to escalate the war with mobilisation.
He is even dusting off a load of old T-62s to supply the new conscripts-

Russia has taken out more of its Soviet-era tanks from storage to be deployed in the Ukraine war as the conflict reaches its seventh month, a video circulating on social media appears to show.
Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to Ukraine's minister of internal affairs, shared a clip on his Twitter page that appears to show multiple 50-year-old T-62 tanks lined up on railway tracks in Russia.

www.newsweek.com...://www.newsweek.com/video-russian-old-soviet-tanks-storage-ukr aine-war-1745776

If they are lucky,they will get the latest version-by that I mean the ones which were overhauled and updated-in 1983 rather than the standard ones built in the 1960's

I have no doubt that Martial Law is coming in Russia in the not to distant future. All the protests that aren't going to stop anytime soon are going to give them a reason to announce it.

What this mobilization tells me is that the numbers the Ukrainians report for KIA/wounded etc... are probably closer than the low end. I figure the Russians most have lost at least a quarter of the initial invasion force by this point with the way the fighting has been going. Not to mention the loss of materiel. Both the Ukrainians and Russians are probably close in casualties in my estimation, with the Ukes sustaining probably slightly less.

Russia could also hold 200K's of these new recruits back and train them over the winter to be ready for a spring offensive to push the Ukrainians back at least over the Dnieper river. The Ukrainians are doing just that with the training schedule set in NATO countries.I mean that would seem the prudent thing to do. The initial 180K didn't work. Maybe this time they won't sell all their supplies before the next push and have some to actually fight with? Maybe even produce 5 or 6 Kalibers to use in the next wave? They stole enough washing machines, they must have the parts for a few hypersonic missiles by now.

But that's not really the Russian way is it? BEAR SMASH!!!!

What's the over/under on numbers of troops committed by February? 400K? 500K?

Because we know the 300K is a joke. The actual numbers called up will probably get closer to 3/4 to a million by end of winter.

China’s foreign minister tells his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba, that China respects Ukraine’s sovereignty & territorial integrity & rejects force. This on the day when referendums begin in Russian-held areas of Ukraine on whether to link up with Russia. Watch out, Putin!

originally posted by: Kenzo




China’s foreign minister tells his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba, that China respects Ukraine’s sovereignty & territorial integrity & rejects force. This on the day when referendums begin in Russian-held areas of Ukraine on whether to link up with Russia. Watch out, Putin!

China smells blood in the water. Would not surprise me when they visit putin,chinese soldiers come out of hiding and eliminate putin and the duma.

a reply to: gortex

Ukranians need to tell the troops on the russian side,toss away your weapons and join us to overthrow their former master Putin if they want to defect/desert.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Yup, thats why, as you I assume know we test fire before going redcon1. I wonder if they know. What a sh/t show never the less.

mobile.twitter.com... very bad day for russian airforce 2 su-30s,a su25,a su34 were all shot down and if its not counted in these 4 another su34 crashed that is a good deal of expensive planes plus very valuable pilots

twitter.com... china fm warns russia and ukraine to not let war spill over

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
Martial law is the next logical step-the country is spiraling,protests everywhere,people trying to escape the borders,sanctions taking hold on the economy about to be made much worse as vital industry and services are stripped of personel for cannon meat

And yet, there are also pro-Special Military Operation protests that applaud the actions of Putin. Russia has a population that has been fed propaganda for years and who have become completely subservient. They don't care for the protests, and most don't know of dissent, as it's not reported.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: gortex

Ukranians need to tell the troops on the russian side,toss away your weapons and join us to overthrow their former master Putin if they want to defect/desert.

They actually do do that fairly regularly, even have a surrender hotline ruZZian soldiers can ring to arrange a surrender.

Theres even an army group for those that want to help and change sides, they dont do anything frontline but they are used in the back under supervision from what i gather.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

sound slike they will be getting 150,000 more soon if the rate of desertion stays around th esame.

24 September Update

Key Takeaways

* Local military commissars are carrying out mobilization orders in a way that suggests a possible disconnect between Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu’s guidelines for partial mobilization and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demands for haste.

* Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely continuing to address systemic issues in Russian senior command by replacing individual senior subordinates.

* Russia may be preparing to forcibly mobilize Ukrainian prisoners of war in what may constitute a violation of the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War.

* Ukrainian forces likely continued to make gains along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border and northwest of Lyman.

* Ukrainian military officials indicated that the continued Ukrainian interdiction campaign in southern Ukraine is degrading Russian combat capabilities.

* Russian sources identified three locations where Ukrainian troops conducted ground operations in Kherson Oblast- northern Kherson Oblast, western Kherson Oblast near the Inhulets River, and northwest of Kherson City near the Mykolaiv-Kherson Oblast border.

* Russian forces conducted ground attacks around Bakhmut, Donetsk City, and in western Donetsk Oblast.

* Russian authorities continue to coerce residents of occupied Ukrainian territory into voting in sham referenda.

More at URL above.

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From twitter.



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Logistic general sacked by Putin, this one was Shoigu`s deputy .


Putin dismisses top general and starts to dictate strategy to his top brass

The Russian army would probably be better off marching on Moscow. Would be easier. They could pay Pooty a visit and mount a coup while they're at it...

Things in Russia will get more and more volatile, the whole show could implode for Pooptin. This must be his worst nightmare. All totally self inflicted. Starting to look like a desperate death spiral for the Pooptin regime.

Look`s like 2 more T-90 gift`s to Ukrainian forces ...


Yesterday we spotted two abounded Russian T-90A after the fail counter-attack. Kharkiv oblast, 24/09/2022.


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