Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

I wanted to include this because I found it interesting how Finland has prepared for an invasion from Russia especially the underground they built .

Beneath the capital, a massive network of bunkers and tunnels spreads out all across the city. There are than 5,000 bomb shelters in Helsinki -- enough to shelter more than the city's entire population -- and more than 50,000 bunkers across the country, according to Helsinki's Civil Defense Department. All buildings above a certain size are required by law to have their own bunkers.

abcnews.go.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

Finland has the largest military in Europe and it is because of Russia. I think Finland, which was invaded by the USSR in the late 1930's, decided once is enough.

More evidence of Russian war crimes:


www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2


More evidence of Russian war crimes:


www.bbc.co.uk...

I figured id add the report from the UN as well.

This report by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
(OHCHR) covers violations of international humanitarian law (IHL) and
international human rights law that have occurred in the course of the ongoing
armed attack by the Russian Federation against Ukraine. It covers the period from
24 February 2022 until 15 May 2022 and is based on the work of the United Nations
Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine.1

www.ohchr.org...

Seems to be contagious...

Russian millionaire linked to Putin energy giant Gazprom found shot dead in pool.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2


More evidence of Russian war crimes:


www.bbc.co.uk...

Russian bastards need their balls wired up to the mains.

a reply to: alldaylong

Car batteries will do.

Putin Pauses Russian Invasion to Help Depleted Forces 'Build up Strength'

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a pause in the invasion of Ukraine on Monday, after Moscow claimed a major victory in seizing the Luhansk region in Ukraine's east.

"The units that took part in active hostilities and achieved success, victories in the Luhansk direction, of course, should rest, increase their combat capabilities," Putin said.

His remarks came after Russian forces forced Ukrainian soldiers to withdraw from Lysychansk, the last key city under their control in the Luhansk region on Sunday.

The Institute for the Study of War (IWS), a U.S.–based think tank, said in an assessment on Monday that Putin appeared to direct the Russian military to conduct an operational pause.

The ISW said Putin's order was likely meant to signal "his concern for the welfare of his troops in the face of periodic complaints in Russia about the treatment of Russian soldiers."

"His comment was also likely accurate—Russian troops that fought through Severodonetsk and Lysychansk very likely do need a significant period in which to rest and refit before resuming large-scale offensive operations," the assessment said.

The ISW noted that "it is not clear, however, that the Russian military will accept the risks of a long enough operational pause to allow these likely exhausted forces to regain their strength."

click link for article

Now Putin is concerned about his forces... Like I said before, a Russian victory in the east would be a pyrrhic victory. They burned through a lot of man power taking the cities in question.

As I was saying about the pyrrhic victory... This war is far from over and I still believe Ukraine is going to win..


High cost of Russia's gains in east Ukraine could limit any new offensive

After more than four months of ferocious fighting, Russia has claimed a key victory: full control over one of the two provinces in the Donbas, Ukraine’s eastern industrial heartland.

But Moscow’s rout of the last bulwark of Ukrainian resistance in Luhansk province came at a steep price. The critical question now is whether Russia can muster enough strength for a new offensive to complete its seizure of the Donbas and make gains elsewhere in Ukraine.

“Yes, the Russians have seized the Luhansk region, but at what price?” asked Oleh Zhdanov, a military analyst in Ukraine, noting that some Russian units involved in the battle lost up to half their soldiers.

Even Russian President Vladimir Putin acknowledged Monday that Russian troops involved in action in Luhansk need to “take some rest and beef up their combat capability.”

That raises doubts about whether Moscow's forces and their separatist allies are ready to quickly thrust deeper into Donetsk, the other province that makes up the Donbas. Observers estimated in recent weeks that Russia controlled about half of Donetsk, and battle lines have changed little since then.

What happens in the Donbas could determine the course of the war. If Russia succeeds there, it could free up its forces to grab even more land and dictate the terms of any peace agreement. If Ukraine, on the other hand, manages to pin the Russians down for a protracted period, it could build up the resources for a counteroffensive.

Massive Explosion as Russian Ammo Warehouse Hit in Donetsk Region

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24 in what the Kremlin is still calling a "special military operation." Monday marks the 131st day of the invasion.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that between February 24 and July 4
* - Russia had lost about 36,200 personnel
* - 1,589 tanks
* - 3,754 armored combat vehicles
* - 804 artillery units
* - 246 multiple launch rocket systems
* - 105 air defense systems
* - 217 warplanes
* - 187 helicopters
* - 658 drones
* - 144 cruise missiles
* - 15 warships
* - 2,629 motor vehicles and fuel tankers
* - 65 units of special equipment.

If you have the time this is worth watching it discusses the losses of the Russian military



And here is vice following Ukrainian soldiers caution is very graphic.

a reply to: Xcathdra

In the article, it says Russia has lost c. 36K military personnel. Given that (as I understand it) the equation is to multiply that figure by four to describe the actual attrition due to casualties, Russia has lost c. 140K personnel. That's quite a rate of loss. Much of these losses would have been from front-line units, now being backfilled by less well-trained and competent soldiers.

All these injured and battle-scarred Russians returning home to tell their stories may undermine the lies pumped out by popular propaganda. After all, this was how Russians discovered what was happening in Afghanistan following their debacle in that country.

A big caveat is whether the 36K figure is accurate, or just wishful thinking. Regardless of its accuracy, Russia has suffered serious losses. As Ukraine receives increasing amounts of sophisticated and capable arms and training from the civilised West, the Russian experience will get worse if this ends up in a stalemate. Russia will end up occupying a land that they cannot occupy. It's hardly a triumphant victory Putin wants to take to his grave.

a reply to: paraphi

In the article, it says Russia has lost c. 36K military personnel. Given that (as I understand it) the equation is to multiply that figure by four to describe the actual attrition due to casualties

That formula is for when a side is claiming what their own casualty numbers are.

The article is Ukraine claiming Russia lost 36K.

The winning side usually has a better idea of how many their enemy is losing because they are left standing to count the dead after the enemy retreats.

5 July Update

Key Takeaways

* Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev restated Russian President Vladimir Putin’s initial objectives for operations in Ukraine, suggesting that the Kremlin retains maximalist objectives including regime change and territorial expansion far beyond the Donbas.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations northwest and east of Slovyansk.

* Russian forces are attempting to advance west of the Lysychansk area toward Siversk.

* Russian forces are likely attempting to gain access to village roads southeast of Bakhmut in order to advance on the city from the south.

* Ukrainian forces conducted a limited counterattack southwest of Donetsk City.

* Russian forces continued limited and unsuccessful assaults in northern Kharkiv Oblast.

* Russian authorities are conducting escalated conscription measures in occupied territories to compensate for continuing manpower losses.

* Russian authorities are continuing to consolidate administrative control of occupied areas of Ukraine, likely to set conditions for the direct annexation of these territories to the Russian Federation.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Ever since 9/11 I believe the M.E. countries involved have been slowly but surely infiltrating the United States.

I think the war between Russia and the Ukraine is a part of their plan...and I think an Asian county is involved too.

They want to take over the U.S. because of the power we do have.

I think people should be worried and concerned about this. I don't know what can be done.

Russia, the Middle East and an Asian country....are they secretly walking hand in hand to take over the U.S.?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Historically, time favours the Russians in their struggles against Napoleon and Hitler's Nazi Germany. In the face of operational and tactical defeats, the Russians fall back on Moscow, await their legendary winters, and tap into their advantages in population/military personnel numbers. Concerning the destruction of the German war machine, the Soviets mastered combined arms and the implementation of consecutive operations [offensives].

Of course, Ukraine never posed an existential threat to Russia, so there is no impetus for Russians to enlist in the armed forces or participate in the war effort. Instead, the "Russian mentality" and the impact of domestic propaganda ensure support for the war in Ukraine. But institutional corruption, "Special Military Operation" status, strategic failures, and Putin's "yes men" /incompetent military fools are handicapping Russia's military performance in Ukraine.

Unless Russian forces withdraw from Ukraine, Putin's strategic bungling is a terminal diagnosis. But that doesn't remove the long-term danger to Ukraine. The Ukrainians are taking heavy casualties before Russia potentially taps into their military personnel, equipment and industrial capacity reserves. Putin faces enormous obstacles to overcome before employing those advantages.

But Putin's actions in Ukraine painted Russia into a corner. Although unlikely, the conquest of Ukraine and following a broader war against Western Europe would spark WW3.

So how does Ukraine expel Russian forces before the potential reemergence of unfavourable historical trends? Ukraine's political and military leaders are displaying strategic wisdom: At the onset of the Russian onslaught, the defenders traded space for a time until logistical issues/lack of rear area security made Russian forces vulnerable to guerrilla warfare and counterattacks. Also, the Ukrainians aren't defending every square kilometre of their territory. Instead, they prioritise coastal regions that are their country's access to global shipping routes and commerce.

But the Ukrainian Army's dire equipment shortage remains largely unaddressed by the trickle of international military aid. Although Vasyl Myroshnychenko, Ukraine's Ambassador to Australia, is doing an exceptional job on behalf of his country. Hence, on Twitter Crocodile Dundee and Shane Warne are lumped in Bushmaster vehicles. That strange mishmash of Australian culture aside, the Ukrainians understand and excel at public relations and information warfare.

Yet Russia doesn't have the benefit of countries unloading excessive amounts of military hardware on their doorstep.

Also, the Ukrainians face issues surrounding training and equipping military forces within reach of Russian military action. So training and equipping Ukrainian forces in Australia and Canada would resolve that matter. So Canada would provide a realistic climate, perhaps geographical locations and Australia room to manoeuvre during exercises.


Moreover, the side that fulfils the remaining enabling elements of manoeuvre warfare is set to break the cyclone of a series of battles, counterattacks and real estate lost and regained by bringing a sledgehammer to a nut. Those elements relate to industrial output/logistics and the availability of commanders with suitable temperaments and backgrounds.

originally posted by: alexandrae
Ever since 9/11 I believe the M.E. countries involved have been slowly but surely infiltrating the United States.

Can you name the Middle Eastern countries related to your claims?

I think the war between Russia and the Ukraine is a part of their plan...and I think an Asian county is involved too.

Is that the Asian country you refer to above, China?