Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Grimpachi

imagine that.. another lie from you.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: Xcathdra

look at the shadows they dont even match the photo with the rifles being held up not horizontal like the shadows show that photo reeks of a bad photoshop

The shadows are accurate. Look at the guy in the black uniform just beyond the guys holding the rifles. Because of where the sun is in the sky, the shadows are not directly in front. They are skewed and this is confirmed by the guy in the black uniform and his shadow.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Where do you get that? did everything you asked,and now you come back and say I was lying. Didnt see the question marks in the links?
What about me asking if the Ukes had dug those? I did not attack YOU,just the russian evidence.

* - Ukrainian troops have received order to retreat from Sieverodonetsk, says local governor Serhiy Haidai

* - This is reportedly footage of a failed Russian air defense system missile launch from Alchevsk, Luhansk Oblast

* - 2 killed, 10 wounded as result of shelling in Kharkiv region today

* - Department of State:.@POTUS addressing food shortages caused by Russian aggression: Putin's war, not sanctions, are impacting the harvest of food and disrupting the movement of that food by land and sea to nations around the globe that need it

* - At least 4 hits in Kharkiv and region after missiles launched from Bilhorod

* - Reports of explosion in Zaporizhzhia, possible air defense

* - US Department of State: Newly declassified intelligence sheds light on Russian forces' attacks on Ukrainian grain terminals – including an attack on the Nikka-Terra Grain Terminal in Mykolaiv on or around June 4. The world must hold Russia accountable for its actions that undermine global food security

* - The next $450M package to Ukraine includes: 4 HIMARS ; 36,000 rounds of 105mm ammo; 18 tactical vehicles to tow 155mm artillery; 1,200 grenade launchers; 2,000 machine guns; 18 coastal/ riverine patrol boats; Spare parts

* - Explosions again in Kharkiv

* - Ukraine needs hope and we gave today this very hope - Poland's PM @MorawieckiM on granting Ukraine and Moldova EU candidacy status

* - Shelling in Derhachi and Chuhuiv

* - Macron: Granting Ukraine the status of a candidate for EU membership is important

* - Ukrainian military had withdraw from Zolote and Hirske - report

* - After Ukraine candidate status decision, @ZelenskyyUa now connected live to EU leaders meeting

* - Location of this event is not known
Ukrainian OTR-21 Tochka battery salvo firing, a soldier stands nearby with a Stinger MANPADS providing short range air defense for the group

* - A report from @Microsoft puts a spotlight on the cyberfront of the Russian invasion of Ukraine — including cyberespionage against think tanks outside Ukraine

* - Charles Michel: Agreement. EUCO has just decided EU candidate status to Ukraine and Moldova. A historic moment. Today marks a crucial step on your path towards the EU. Congratulations @ZelenskyyUa and @sandumaiamd and the people of Ukraine and Moldova. Our future is together

* - 0U.S. to send more HIMARS systems to Ukraine as part of a new $450 Million military aid package according to US official

* - Power lines damaged, electricity supply at water pumping station cut as result of Russian shelling of Apostolove territorial community with cluster ammunition

* - At Pivdenny Buh direction Russian army shelled Dobrianka, Mykolaivka and Trudolyubivka, aviation conducted airstrike near Knyazivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

23 June update

Key Takeaways

* Belarusian forces are conducting mobilization exercises along the Ukrainian border but are unlikely to enter the war in Ukraine due to their low capabilities and the adverse domestic implications of military involvement on behalf of Russia.

* Russian forces have likely reached the southern outskirts of Lysychansk and are reinforcing their grouping around Severodonetsk to complete the capture of both Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. These gains remain unlikely to provide Russian forces with a decisive edge in further operations in Ukraine and have further degraded Russian capabilities.

* Russian forces are continuing efforts to encircle the Ukrainian grouping in Hirske and Zolote and are likely moving to take control of these settlements.

* Russian forces have likely successfully interdicted Ukrainian lines of communication along the T1302 highway and are using recent gains along the highway to reinforce assaults on Lysychansk.

* Russian forces amassed equipment and continued building defensive capabilities along the Southern Axis.

Map depicting Lysychansk and Highway T-13-02. Map source is OpenTopoMap.


More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I think when it is all said and done in the east Russia is going to get a temporary pyrrhic victory but will be unable to hold onto it, especially with the way Russia is pouring all of its reserves, as well as active units being yanked off current front lines in the south, into the east.

I am seeing reports that Russia is going to try another attempt to take Kiev but imo it will be done to pull pressure of Russian forces in the South. Ukraine is already making good use of its harpoons and longer range artillery and now that they received the HIMARS systems...

a reply to: Xcathdra

I think any kind of attempt by Russia to resume mobile warfare will be to Ukraine's advantage.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

The geography of Ukraine is open to manoeuvre warfare: but neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have the logistical (including industrial base) for that to occur. The withdrawal of Ukrainian forces/avoiding encirclement resembles the German Army from 1943 - 45, seeking to avoid that outcome. But eventually, German troops ran out of getting out of the jail (destruction) cards.

Manoeuvre warfare is absent in Ukraine, like in the Italian campaign (WW2). Instead, a series of battles is taking place, as opposed to sweeping military movements undertaken by Sherman and Patton. But unlike the allies, the Russians don't have personnel numbers and industrial output advantages.

LOL

Russian air defense launched a rocket and it made a u-turn and struck the launcher.

Earlier, #LNR air defense system did THIS. Take me home country roads. Pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work.

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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I think when it is all said and done in the east Russia is going to get a temporary pyrrhic victory but will be unable to hold onto it, especially with the way Russia is pouring all of its reserves, as well as active units being yanked off current front lines in the south, into the east.

I am seeing reports that Russia is going to try another attempt to take Kiev but imo it will be done to pull pressure of Russian forces in the South. Ukraine is already making good use of its harpoons and longer range artillery and now that they received the HIMARS systems...

I would think that taking Odessa would serve Russia's interests better. It would leave Ukraine landlocked, making the Harpoon missiles nearly useless, and it would give Russia a land bridge to Transnistria.

Also, it's being reported in MSM outlets that Ukraine is running low on ammo for it's Soviet-era equipment (which is most of its equipment). I think the momentum is likely to shift in Russia's favor.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
LOL

Russian air defense launched a rocket and it made a u-turn and struck the launcher.

Earlier, #LNR air defense system did THIS. Take me home country roads. Pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work.

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That happened a lot in the Korean War. Chinese and Norks fired old Katyushas and they went all over the place -- decayed propulsion fuel that burns at uneven rates.

Cheers

originally posted by: Grimpachi
How do you know they haven't already been presented the evidence?

If Russia had presented any meaningful evidence of Ukrainian war crimes, I think you would be showing it on ATS.

When in a hole - stop digging.

Oh dear.....


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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

The harpoon missiles and the long range artillery is going to prevent Russia from taking Odessa. Russia had planned on a joint beach landing from the sea while ground forces came in from the northeast. The land invasion, well Russia couldn't quite cut it, and is trying to hold Kherson.

I still believe that Russia is not going to be able to hold onto its gains. Same with the 2 fake republics.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Grimpachi
How do you know they haven't already been presented the evidence?

If Russia had presented any meaningful evidence of Ukrainian war crimes, I think you would be showing it on ATS.

When in a hole - stop digging.

When all of this started the Russian Ambassador to the UN (was also acting as UNSC President) said they had evidence to support the bs genocide charge and would release it. To date Russia still has not provided their evidence to anyone - the UN, UNSC, UNGA or any member of the UN/NATO.

Given the fact Putin recently said the purpose of invading Ukraine is because Putin thinks he is Petr the Great.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Honest question, and definitely not off topic:

what do expect the Ukrainians to do given the fact that they are being invaded by a superpower?

* - Big explosion near Dnipro city

* - Missile launch from Bilhorod

* - Russian hackers have released a video of @jkrowling speaking with a fake @ZelenskyyU about her efforts to rebuild Ukraine

* - Ukraine's top general tells Gen. Milley that Kyiv needs "fire parity" with Russia in order to stabilize the difficult situation in the country's eastern region of Luhansk

* - US HIMARS giving Ukraine forces range of 70km - "That twice what they have with the Howitzers we're providing them" per a senior US defense official "From an examination of the battlefield [in the Donbas]. They don't need more than that range"

* - Ukrainian military intelligence reports Russian saboteur groups plan to blow up residential buildings in Mozyr city of Belarus to drag Belarus into war

* - Jordan's King tells CNBC: Ukraine crisis has led to a decline in Russia's role in Syria

* - Over 20 houses damaged in Balabyne village of Zaporizhzhia region as result of shelling

* - Location of this event is not known
Video reportedly showing the first combat use of HIMARS in Ukraine

* - Damage in Shyroke community of Dnipropetrovsk region as result of Russian shelling

* - Russian army using helicopters to destroy bridges and roads to Lysychansk

* - At Pivdenniy Buh direction Russian army conducted airstrike near Bila Krynytsa, Ukrainian aviation conducted airstrikes in response, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Avdiyivka, Kurakhivka and Zaporizhzhia directions Russian army shelled Ukrainian positions near Avdiyivka, Umanske, Vesele, Novobakhmutivka, Huliaipilske, Bilohiria and Staroukrainka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Novopavlivske direction Russian army shelled Antonivka, Vuhledar and Zolota Nyva, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Mykolaivka, Berestove and Novoluhanske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Sieverodonetsk direction Russian army with mortars, tanks, howitzers and MLRS shelled Lysychansk, Sieverodonetsk, Bila Hora, Vovchoyarivka, Spirne and Berestove. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Lysychansk and Borivske. Battles in Sieverodonetsk ongoing, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Sloviansk direction shelled Bohorodychne, Krasnopillia, Kurulka, Chervone, Ridne and Chervona Polyana, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Kharkiv direction Russian army shelled Kharkiv, Stary Saltiv, Korobochkyne, Pechenihy, Dementiyivka and Zolochiv, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - 2 killed, 1 wounded as result of Russian artillery shelling in Raihorodok of Mykolaivka community

* - At Siversky direction Russian army shelled Tovstodubove, Bachivsk, Hlukhiv and Manukhivka of Sumy region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Car blown up in Kherson killing collaborator Dmitry Savluchenko

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

Day 121 of Putin's 5 day war.

24 June update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces continued to drive north to Lysychansk and have likely encircled Ukrainian troops in Hirske-Zolote.

* Ukrainian officials announced that Ukrainian forces are fighting their last battles in the industrial zone of Severodonetsk before withdrawing from the city.

* Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive operations west of Izyum and north of Slovyansk. Russian forces will likely prioritize encircling Ukrainian troops in Lysychansk and interdicting remaining GLOCs northwest of the city before resuming a full-scale offensive operation on Slovyansk.

* Ukrainian forces are continuing to launch counteroffensive operations along the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border and are threatening Russian forces in Kherson City.

* Ukrainian partisans continued to attack Russian collaborators in Kherson City.

More at URL above.

Cheers