Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

This brings up some excellent points about NATO and how Putin destroyed Russian influence.

Separate thread for this story is - ATS - 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act is now "void" after Russia invaded Ukraine says NATO



Once again Putin's actions have created a situation Putin hoped to avoid. The 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act has been violated by Russia so the act is now null and void. Russia also violated the conventional forces Europe agreement. Starting with Russia's invasion of Georgia and the straw that broke the camels back was the Russian invasion of Ukraine. NATO did not take any action when Russia invaded Georgia. NATO did not take any action when Russia invaded Ukraine and seized Crimea. Putin went a bridge too far with the full invasion of Ukraine.


NATO Hints at Permanent Bases Near Russia Due to 'Unpredictable' Kremlin

NATO's Deputy Secretary General Mircea Geoană said he expects that permanent NATO military bases will be implemented in Eastern Europe in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Speaking during the Copenhagen Democracy Summit, hosted by the Alliance for Democracies, Geoană suggested the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act is now "void" after the Kremlin began with their invasion of Ukraine and the military alliance is under no obligation to comply with it further.

The 1997 agreement was designed to build trust between Russia and NATO, as well as limit both sides' military presence in Eastern Europe.

Geoană said the alliance's leaders will be working on a "fundamental transformation of NATO's posture, presence and deterrence" on the eastern flank, including "more of a presence on the ground" during the NATO Summit in Madrid at the end of June.

"We are basically taking into account the fact that Russia is an aggressive, and unpredictable player. So yes, we'll be going to a new generation of our presence in the east. And I can say, as a Romanian, that now we can witness the full integration of the new allies into NATO also from a deterrence and defense perspective," he said.

When asked by former Danish Prime Minister and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen at the Copenhagen event whether NATO leaders will now deviate from the 1997 agreement, including permanently stationing troops in Eastern Europe, Geoană replied: "I cannot judge what leaders will do, but I can anticipate that they will do exactly that."

Geoană said as part of the expected plans, NATO is working towards "state of the art, permanent" presence in Eastern Europe.

Geoană added that Russia also originally voided the 1997 agreement when Russian troops annexed the territory of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

A number of NATO figures had already called for permanent bases in Eastern Europe amid Russia's war in Ukraine.

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* - Russia's invasion of Georgia in 2008
* - Russia's invasion and occupation of Crimea
* - Russia's actions in E. Ukraine
* - Russian threats to use nuclear weapons against - Denmark, Romanian, Poland by Russian politicians and diplomats
* - Russia's constant propaganda that NATO is an enemy (also a violation of the founding act and the UN charter)
* - And the most recent announcement of re-establishment of the 1 st Guards Tank Army, the highly visible offensively-oriented formation that is openly against NATO, just draw the line under Russia's full and final rejection of its obligations under the Founding Act.

a reply to: dragonridr

It gets much worse. NATO is claiming Russia has violated the NATO-Russia founding act as well as the Conventional Forces: Europe treaty. NATO says the NATO-Russia founding Act is null and void and they are no longer bound by the restrictions.

Everything Putin has been bitching about he just made worse.

Russia has now named at least 4 different commanders for Ukraine and all 4 are now neutralized.


Ruslan Shirin Named as Fourth Russian Commander Killed in 4 Days

The report of his death has not been confirmed by Russia's Defense Ministry, which did not return Newsweek's request for comment before publication.

If verified, it would add to a growing toll of senior officers that Russia's forces have lost since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24.

According to one online tally, four Russian officers ranked lieutenant colonel or higher have been reported killed in the four days between June 4 and 8.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: dragonridr

It gets much worse. NATO is claiming Russia has violated the NATO-Russia founding act as well as the Conventional Forces: Europe treaty. NATO says the NATO-Russia founding Act is null and void and they are no longer bound by the restrictions.

Everything Putin has been bitching about he just made worse.

Well they haven't yet however there are calls to do so it had two key points.

The Founding Act contained two key assurances to show that NATO enlargement posed no military threat to Russia. First, NATO members reiterated that they had “no intention, no plan and no reason to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of new members” (the “three no’s”). Second, the Alliance stated that “in the current and foreseeable security environment,” NATO defense did not require the “additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces” in new members. Russia pledged to exercise similar restraint.

This pledge not to put troops on the border of NATO countries is where the violation is occurring meaning NATO can indeed move troops to the Russian Border. Id say in reality it's probably NATO that violated this by moving troops into Poland. But you could argue it was Russia that caused these troop movements by attacking its neighbor. I see this as irrelevant either way to be honest both sides are looking for a way out of this agreement.

a reply to: dragonridr

Russia vio0lated it in 2008 with their invasion of Georgia. Russia violated it again when the seized Crimea and fomented insurrection in E. Ukraine. Russia violated it when they threatened to Nuke Poland, Romania and Denmark. Russia violated it again with their invasion of Ukraine.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Great news PVT Smirnoff !!! You have now been promoted to Colonel !! Now go and die for Mother Russia !!!

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a reply to: Grimpachi

Rumor has it the phones actually contain the sex tape of Putin and his goat. He was being blackmailed and the invasion was staged in an attempt to retrieve the sex tape.

a reply to: Grimpachi

He live in Donbas Ukraine and somehow scooped Russian outlets on reporting from Donbas. His work has been featured on:

He has been interviewed by and provided analysis for RT, the BBC, and Press-TV. His articles have been published in the Security Assistance Monitor, Washingtons Blog, OpedNews, the Saker, RT, Global Research, and RINF, Consortium News, Mintpress News, and the Greanville Post.
He has been published and cited in analytical blogs and publications like the Vineyard of the Saker and Foreign Policy Journal
He has been cited and republished by various academic blogs, including Defending History, Michael Hudson, SWEDHR, Counterpunch, and the Justice Integrity Project.

Where he has been published / had his work featured / etc leaves a lot to be desired and calls into question his credibility.

originally posted by: dragonridr
This brings up some excellent points about NATO and how Putin destroyed Russian influence.

The question is whether it will be Russias greatest defeat... Or NATOs biggest blunder.

And I'm not talking toward Russia, I'm talking Nato tripping itself over. More and more calls are being raised for Sweden/Finland to retract the NATO application due to Turkey and the longer it takes, the more likely it become so entrenched in politics.

As a Swede I am 100% for NATO membership (since we are completely aligned with NATO already and havent really been "neutral" in decades) but I would still agree with withdrawing the application. Giving in to extortion by one #ty NATO country that is currently even sanctioned by NATO itself due to it's previous actions with Russia... Yeah no thanks. If that's the price, I wouldnt pay it.

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(09:28). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast(09:18). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(09:09). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Russian army shelling Vrubivka village with incendiary ammunition

* - Explosions now at Saltivka, Kharkiv

* - Explosions again reported in Kharkiv

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(00:01). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 1 killed as result of Russian artillery shelling in Krasnopillia territorial community of Sumy region

* - Oleksiy Chubashev, a military correspondent, author and host of a reality show "Recruit UA", was killed at the frontline. Oleksiy was also the head of Army FM and Military Television of Ukraine

* - Russian hackers send emails to Ukrainian media, the opening of which will lead to the download of a dangerous virus. «E-mails contain an application in the form of a document «LIST of links to interactive maps.docx», the opening of which can lead to downloading of the malware CrescentImp»

* - Ukrainian military pushed Russian troops 5-7 kms further from Zaporizhzhia - Melitopol Mayor Fedorov

* - In Novooleksiyivka, Henichesk district, the Russian military searched the home of the Dolgopolov family and kidnapped a member of their family, according to the Crimean Tatar Resource Center.

* - Interception over Sevastopol today, according to occupation authorities a drill

* - Zhytomyr, Zhytomyrska Oblast(21:21). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv Oblast(20:56). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Chernihivska Oblast(20:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(20:54). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - At Lyman direction Russian forces continue to fortify positions near Sviatohirsk. Shelled area near Dronivka and Serebrianka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian Su-25 planes conducted airstrikes near Maryinka, Krasnohorikva. Ka-52 helicopters shelled area near Novobakhmutivka and Mi-8 near Oleksandropol, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian army with mortars, MLRS and howitzers shelled Avdiyivka, Tonenke, Nevelske, Maryinka, Orikhiv, Opytne and Novobakhmutivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Bakhmut(18:52). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian shelled areas near New York, Zolote, Vrubivka, Komyshuvakha, Berestove and Luhanske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Clashes continue in Sieverodonetsk. Russian army shelled Sieverodonetsk, Lysychansk, Ustynivka, Toshkivka, Zolote and Hirske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian artillery shelled Dolyna, Chervona Poliana, Nova Dmytrivka, Hrushuvakha, Dibrivne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian army shelled Ukrainian positions with MLRS, mortars and howitzers near Kharkiv, Krynychna, Husarivka, Baikrak and Chepil, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - After the conversation with Scholz, Vučić: In a decisive and sharp way, he asked Serbia to join the sanctions against Russia

* - Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov discussed some issues on the bilateral agenda with the US Ambassador, the Foreign Ministry said

* - "Medical services in Mariupol are likely already near collapse: a major cholera outbreak in Mariupol will exacerbate this further" warns @DefenceHQ

* - Explosion reported in central Donetsk

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

10 June update

Key Takeaways

* Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for Western weapons systems due to Russia’s artillery superiority.

* Russian forces are continuing ground assaults within Severodonetsk but have yet to secure full control of the city as of June 10.

* Russian forces are preparing to renew offensive operations toward Slovyansk and made minor gains to the north of the city.

* Russian forces are continuing efforts to cut the T1302 Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway and conducting assaults on settlements near the highway.

* Russian troops reportedly took control of the Kinburn Spit in the northern Black Sea, which will allow them to exert further control of the Black Sea coast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

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a reply to: merka

# Turkey.

You are our brothers and we have far more in common with you than we do with Turkey.

I understand the many advantages of having Turkey in NATO, but they should not be able to dictate who can or can not become a member of NATO.
Erdogan has far more in common with Putin than any other leader in NATO.

Whats going on in Nicaragua?
The pesky Russians are moving in troops,equipment and setting up camp-

The government of Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega has authorized Russian troops, planes and ships to deploy to Nicaragua for purposes of training, law enforcement or emergency response.
In a decree published this week, and confirmed by Russia on Thursday, Ortega will allow Russian troops to carry out law enforcement duties, “humanitarian aid, rescue and search missions in emergencies or natural disasters.”
The Nicaraguan government also authorized the presence of small contingents of Russian troops for “exchange of experiences and training.”

apnews.com...

Why do I get the feeling this may turn into "Cuban missile crisis 2.0"-or at least be hammered into that by the media...
I expect we will be hearing a lot more about this in the coming weeks.

a reply to: dragonridr

His videos are some of the best resources about this war that I have found. Unbiased analysis with historical content to show context.

Like mentioned in the video, regardless of whether Turkey will block this membership or not, there will be other treaties signed to offer the Sweden and Finland a measure of protection and bring them into the fold of NATO integration. It will be by direct membership, which I still believe will happen or through other means if one of NATOs outliers decides to prevent them from full membership.

Despite Putin warning against this move and making threats of "military and technical" measures, Finland and Sweden are out of his reach now for good.

His video on the corruption within the Russian AF is fantastic, check it out if you haven't.

I did a bit of poking around the internet,and it seems that the Russian media are already covering the Nicaragua deployment-

according to a Russian state TV broadcast. “It is time for Russia to deploy something powerful closer to US cities,” host Olga Skabeeva was quoted as saying.
The report also pointed out President Daniel Ortega had authorized the entry of foreign military troops, ships, and aircraft for humanitarian purposes after extending an invitation to the Vladimir Putin administration to this end.

A decree signed by Ortega in this regard has been published June 7 in the Official Gazette and it was later confirmed from the Russian side Thursday.
“The most unpleasant icing on the democratic cake for the United States was the sensational announcement by Daniel Ortega, president of Nicaragua. He allowed Russian troops, ships, and planes into Nicaragua. Of course, only for humanitarian purposes, Russian troops can enter Nicaragua in the second part of 2022,″ Skabeeva said.
”If US missile systems can almost reach Moscow from Ukrainian territory, it is time for Russia to deploy something powerful closer to US cities,“ she added.

en.mercopress.com...

So looks like the Russians are already trolling this up as a potential new "missile crsis" before the western media have even mentioned the Russian deployment to Nicaragua..
Actually thats not accurate,some western outlets have covered it,but its not yet hit the main MSM Daddy Brainwash channels.
I'm sure thats only because they are hard at work behind the scenes,juicin up the story with hazy satellite photos of trucks with long thin shaped something or others on the back for us all to view when the time is right.