Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: Grimpachi

I mean people do things for money. Doesn't mean they like gays. Kind of like in prison I guess.

I have never been to prison so I don't know and would rather die than do that no matter the money.

We are talking about rumors that supposedly apply to a whole military so I don't feel bad about this anecdotal story I am about to tell.

When I was going through AIT we trained with Marines. A couple of them told a story about something called Hogging. They had a pool going for whoever could pick up and lay the nastiest woman.
It was a gross story that at least some of them participated in. Years later where I was stationed I was mixed with Marines again. I asked them if hogging was an honored Marine practice.

It wasn't. The guys from AIT were just effed up. However, that could just as well have been a rumor spread about all US marines.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm not saying that Russian soldiers are more homosexual than Ukrainian or whatever. Just that there's organized crime taking advantage of them.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia has 2 repair facilities for tanks. they are owned by Uralzavod (Uralvagonzavod) Corporation and the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant

Why would you need a repair facility to change parts? Something that needs a lot of welding or a major overhaul like a complete drivetrain I can see using those.

But to change out an entire fleet of barrels on thousands of tanks in a reasonable time frame would mean that on-base motor pools are capable of ding it with their own facilities.

It comes down to having people that know how to do it and having the ability to lift and move the barrels around. Which really isn't such a big feat.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm not saying that Russian soldiers are more homosexual than Ukrainian or whatever. Just that there's organized crime taking advantage of them.

Is this something MSM is claiming? What is their evidence?

Apparently Nicaragua is permitting Russian troops, navy, air force to use their country under the guise of humanitarian assistance.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I haven't seen anything in MSM lately, I guess it's a pretty taboo subject. This is an army prosecutor's office report about sex crimes from 2019, trying to figure out how to translate it: link

Have to look into this later though, I really need to get some rest.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Apparently Nicaragua is permitting Russian troops, navy, air force to use their country under the guise of humanitarian assistance.

Putin can't win. Bullies can't win.

More needs to be done to support Ukraine.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Never heard of that however when I was in we did have someone jump on the grenade. In every group of women, there is always that one ugly one. And she will sink your chances with the others if you don't keep her distracted. So however was falling on the grenade didn't have to pay for drinks

Day 106 of Russia's 5 day war...

a reply to: dragonridr

Yep. "Ural Wagons" ... it sounds almost down-home like.

What you describe is one way to run a maintenance system. The Russian system seems to skip field, direct and general support, and depot maintenance in favor of simply returning to factory. That can work as long as one isn't facing an opponent who can strike deep into their homeland.

The T-72 series has been known as 'boom boxes' since the Gulf War. No amount of improvisation will cure their lethal defects.

Cheers

a reply to: Xcathdra

Day 106 of Russia's 5 day war...

It is all going according to plan, per Vladimir.

Cheers

9 June update

Key Takeaways

* Russian officials are increasingly taking over governmental positions in occupied Ukrainian territory, advancing the Kremlin's likely efforts to annex occupied areas of Ukraine into Russia as an okrug (federal district).

* Russian forces continued to fight for the Azot industrial zone in Severodonetsk under the cover of heavy artillery fire.

* Russian forces made marginal gains north of Slovyansk but are likely to face difficulties assaulting the city itself because of the tactical challenges posed by crossing the Siverskyi Donets River.

* Russian forces made incremental advances to the east of Bakhmut and will continue efforts to cut Ukrainian lines of communication to the northeast of Bakhmut.

* Russian forces are likely engaged in limited fighting along occupied frontiers in northern Kharkiv Oblast.

* Russian forces continue to focus on strengthening defensive lines along the Southern Axis and are intensifying ground attacks in northeastern Zaporizhia Oblast with the support of troop and equipment rotations.

More at URL above.

Cheers

* - Donetsk Oblast(09:10). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Bakhmut, Kramatorsk(09:08). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih(08:00). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(07:59). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Explosion reported in Dnipro city, possible air defense

* - Kirovohradska Oblast, Cherkaska Oblast(03:47). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Odeska Oblast, Mykolaiv, Mykolayivska Oblast(03:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Sumska Oblast(02:41). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast, Zaporizka Oblast(02:36). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Poltavska Oblast(02:36). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(02:24). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(02:23). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(23:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Big explosion reported in Horlivka

* - Destruction in Kostiantynivka this evening

* - The body of local activist Vitaly Lapchuk, who was abducted from his home by the Russian military in 27th of March, was found in a river in Kherson

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(19:40). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(18:59). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - At north-west outskirt of Toshkivka Ukrainian military repelled Russian assault, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian forces have partial success near Komyshuvakha and Roty, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Battles continue in Sieverodonetsk, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Near Dolyna town Ukrainian military conducted artillery strikes at gatherings of Russian troops, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - Russian army conducted missile strike near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian military repelled reconnaissance attempt near Nahirne village, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

* - President Zelensky imposed sanctions against Russian top officials including Putin

* - Security Service of Ukraine questioned 3 mercenaries of "Europolis" company(connected to Prigozhin), captured in Luhansk region

* - The source is state-funded media. Please, be aware, do not rely on this source without proper objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov discussed the situation in Ukraine and the situation in the Sahel with his French colleague Thierry Burkhard, - Russian Ministry of Defense reports

* - Occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region of Ukraine sentenced POWs, Britons Aiden Aslin, 28, and Shaun Pinner, 48 and citizen of Morocco Saadun Bragim to death

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Orikhiv, Zaporizhzhia region after the Russian shelling

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(14:26). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Explosions reported in Kharkiv

* - Sumska Oblast, Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(13:21). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Cherkaska Oblast(13:19). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Chernihivska Oblast(13:19). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kirovohradska Oblast, Zhytomyr, Zhytomyrska Oblast, Vinnytska Oblast, Donetsk Oblast(13:18). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Poltavska Oblast(13:17). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast, Zaporizka Oblast(13:16). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(13:16). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Russian forces brought additional reinforcement to Vasylivka and Tokmak

* - Russian shelling damaged plant in Bakhmut

* - Big forest fire as result of Russian shelling in Balakliya district of Kharkiv region

* - At Pivdenny Buh direction Russian forces shelled Lyubymivka, Dobrianka, Bila Krynytsa, Shyroke, Bereznehuvate, Blahodatne, Lyubomyrivka and Tavriyske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian forces conducting assault actions near Roty, Mykolaivka and Komyshuvakha, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian forces shelled Ukrainian positions near Komyshuvakha, Mykolaivka, Berestove, Bilohorivka, Semyhiria and Mayorske with howitzers and MLRS. Russian aviation conducted missile strikes near Verkhnokamianka, Zolote, Berestove, Sloviansk and New York, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Sieverodonetsk direction Russian army shelled Sieverodonetsk, Lysychansk, Pryvillia and Katerynivka with mortars, artillery and MLRS. Russian aviation conducted airstrike at Toshkivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(10:33). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - At Lyman direction Russian army shelled Tetianivka, Pryshyb and Serebrianka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian army conducted missile strike near Kramatorsk, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian army conducted offensive actions near Bohorodychne and Dovhenke, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian army shelled Dibrivne, Komyshuvakha and Kurulka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian army shelled Staryi Saltiv, Ruski Tyshky, Cherkaski Tyshky, Korobochkine, Asiivka, Chepil and Udy at Kharkiv direction, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Kramatorsk(10:14). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Shelling in Hotmyzhsk village of Graivoron district of Belgorod region

* - Russian missile strike against high-rise building in Novohrad-Volynsky in Zhytomyr region overnight

* - Military echelon filmed in Yakhroma of Moscow region

* - Explosions at arsenal in Kadiivka, Luhansk region

* - Bakhmut(08:40). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Mykolaiv, Mykolayivska Oblast(08:14). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kirovohradska Oblast(08:11). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Cherkaska Oblast, Odeska Oblast(08:11). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast, Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(08:10). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(08:04). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Chernihivska Oblast(07:34). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(07:12). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Mykolaiv, Mykolayivska Oblast, Kirovohradska Oblast(06:47). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Cherkaska Oblast(06:44). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast, Zaporizka Oblast(06:43). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Explosions in Kadiivka

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Xcathdra

Day 106 of Russia's 5 day war...

It is all going according to plan, per Vladimir.

Cheers

Spam

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Russians have never been concerned about crew safety and paying the cost for it right now.

They have more tanks then they have trained tank crews. They keep having them die because the auto loader blows up. And they are running out of people.

People don't realize if you see a turret pop off that was its ammunition going off. This isn't supposed to happen in a modern tank. Most countries specifically design towards crew safety. Russian tanks are death traps probably the most dangerous job in Ukraine.

a reply to: dragonridr

Right. It may take only a week or so to learn specific tasks on a tank, but training as a crew until they can, as a collective, efficiently fight with the vehicle is a much longer process.

Cheers

and once again Putin changes the reason for invading Ukraine. Now Putin says he invaded Ukraine to expand Russia's borders and compared himself to Peter the Great.


Putin appears to contradict invasion's reasoning with Peter the Great comparison

June 10 (UPI) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared to publicly contradict Russia's reasoning for attacking Ukraine on Thursday, telling students in a speech that the invasion was about expanding Russian territory.

Putin compared himself to the late Russian conqueror Peter the Great, the country's first emperor who is credited with making Russia an European power, capturing land through a series of long, successful wars.

The Russian president said in February that Russia invaded Ukraine to prevent genocide in the Donbas region and to "denazify" Ukraine. Putin also charged that the expansion of NATO threatened Russian security.

In a 21-year war with Sweden in the late 17th century, Peter the Great captured the territory of Azov from Crimean Tatars, while taking territory on the Caspian Sea from Persia in 1723.

"On the face of it, he was at war with Sweden taking something away from it," Putin said of Peter, according to the Business Insider. "He was returning and reinforcing, that is what he was doing."

A top adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Mykhailo Podolyak, said Putin's comments to the students amounted to a confession that his real goal was to take land and wipe Ukraine out of existence.

"Putin's confession of land seizures and comparing himself with Peter the Great prove: there was no 'conflict,' only the country's bloody seizure under contrived pretexts of people's genocide," Podolyak said, according to The Guardian. "We should not talk about [Russia] 'saving face.' but about its immediate de-imperialization."

Peter the Great ruled Russia for 43 years, with one of its most influential cities, St. Petersburg, named for him. Putin has been in power for 23 years and with recent rule changes could extend that to more than three decades.

UN issues war crimes warning over death sentences in Ukraine war

The United Nations has declared that unfair trials of prisoners of war amounts to war crimes, after three foreigners captured while fighting with Ukraine forces were sentenced to death by pro-Russian rebels.

British citizens Aiden Aslin, Shaun Pinner, and Moroccan national Saadoun Brahim were sentenced to death on Thursday by pro-Russian separatist authorities in eastern Ukraine’s breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR).

The spokeswoman for the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said on Friday that authorities in the pro-Russian self-proclaimed republics in Ukraine had not met essential fair trial guarantees for some years, and “in the case of the use of the death penalty, fair trial guarantees are all the more important”.

“OHCHR is concerned about the so-called Supreme Court of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic sentencing three servicemen to death,” UN spokesperson Ravina Shamdasani said in a statement.

“According to the chief command of Ukraine, all the men were part of the Ukrainian armed forces and if that is the case, they should not be considered as mercenaries,” Shamdasani said.

“Such trials against prisoners of war amount to a war crime,” she added.

“Since 2015, we have observed that the so-called judiciary in these self-proclaimed republics has not complied with essential fair trial guarantees”.

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