Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Grimpachi

Southfront is a Russian propaganda website, along with Newsfront.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Southfront is a Russian propaganda website, along with Newsfront.

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a reply to: Grimpachi

right back at ya.. as I said that report calls out Southfront by name and there is 10-20 pages documenting why its propaganda.

a reply to: Xcathdra

10-20 pages documenting why its propaganda.

LMAO

Everyone is being exposed to massive amounts of propaganda every day from every media source. For someone to dismiss information because they think it is propaganda is laughable. Of course, it is propaganda. It is all propaganda. Your sources, my sources are all pushing a narrative and they are all biased. It is up to us to sus out fact from fiction.

Deny Ignorance
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Deny Information

iT Is pRoPaGAnDa

a reply to: Grimpachi

Starts on page 31(newsfront) 37 (Southfront) and ends on page 49.

US State Department - GEC Special Report:August 2020 Pillars of Russia’s Disinformation and
Propaganda Ecosystem

SouthFront: Analysis and Intelligence (a.k.a. SouthFront), is a multilingual online disinformation site registered
in Russia that focuses on military and security issues. With flashy infographics, maps, and videos, SouthFront
combines Kremlin talking points with detailed knowledge of military systems and ongoing conflicts. It
attempts to appeal to military enthusiasts, veterans, and conspiracy theorists, all while going to great
lengths to hide its connections to Russia. Evidence indicates that SouthFront has connections to News Front,
another disinformation and propaganda outlet detailed in this report

SouthFront also republishes official Russian government statements, as well as content from
official Russian state media outlets, such as TASS and Sputnik

When the information is propaganda from the Kremlin it's not "information", and one has to be ignorant to believe their bs.

As for you propaganda link attempt, its nothing but your opinion, which is, like Russian media, absolutely worthless.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You seem to be one of those people that think propaganda means lies but that isn't what propaganda means.

My advice to you is go ahead and try to get the admins to ban sites that push propaganda. However, if you succeed then all of your own sources will be banned.

What you seem to be saying is your farts smell like roses compared to mine and I am telling you I don't care what you think because you stink.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Stick A Fork in Zelensky's Leadership of Ukraine Already . He Does Not Represent the Majority of the Ukrainian Peoples TRUST . Better Appease Putin Now and at Least Save Some FACE , or Suffer the Peoples Wrath when the Russian Republic Stops being Politically Correct for the Western Media and Opens that Hypersonic Can of Whoopass on them for REAL ..........

a reply to: Grimpachi

Except that is exactly what Russia and the state sponsored media does - they lie.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

where did you dream that bs...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Snake Island, Ghost of Kyiv, Russians running out of bullets and food, evacuation of Azovstal, Ukraine is winning, video game clips, mass graves in Mariupol, Limon is still fighting, etcetera, etcetera.

Nope, you just get deeply offended at the info you don't like. You don't really give a damn about what is propaganda or lies.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The First Book of Reality , Chapter 3 , Verse 1.0 .



" Man knoweth Nothing Compared to the Lord of Logic and Reason " .

a reply to: Grimpachi

And you would be wrong, as usual.

Russians are running out of ammo and food. Or were all the Russians lying when they were bitching about it? Are all of Russias forces from the 2 fake Republics lying when they appealed to Putin to equip them with guns etc?

As for Ukraine winning we are on day 101+ of Russia's 5 day planned war. Russia failed to take Kiev... Failed to take Odessa, failed to take Kharkiv, failed to take Sievierodonetsk (as of today), failed to completely take Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts. Russia has lost 13 generals to combat and many others fired for not winning in Ukraine along with a bunch of senior / junior officers who have been killed in Ukraine.. A bunch of russian intel agents have been removed / fired / placed under arrest.

For being military you sure are easily duped by the Kremlin. Come to think of it thats what Putin expects from his army - an inability to think for themselves and who blindly follow orders. Certainly explains you.

Yup, sounds like Russia is winning in your mind.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Xcathdra

The First Book of Reality , Chapter 3 , Verse 1.0 .



" Man knoweth Nothing Compared to the Lord of Logic and Reason " .

Which is discouraged and illegal in Russia.

propaganda
prŏp″ə-găn′də
noun

1 - The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2 - Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.

liar
lī′ər
noun

One that tells lies.One who lies; a person who knowingly utters falsehood; one who deceives by false report or representation.A person who knowingly utters falsehood; one who lies.

Stopfake - a site dedicated to taking actual news reported inside Russia from state media and why they are lies / propaganda.

Also if your so big lecturing about deny ignorance / deny information why are you ok with Russia shutting down independent media and making it a crime to use them term war or peace in the same sentence as Ukraine.

Why do you find it so hard to use sources other than telegram or sputnik? What cant you watch the speak the truth videos?

Afraid you might learn the truth about what Putin / Russia are doing?


New Russian law on Ukraine war reporting threatens journalists with lengthy prison sentences

As the war in Ukraine grinds on, most Russians are unaware of what is really happening amid a new crackdown by President Vladimir Putin on the few remaining independent media outlets. On Friday morning, Russian lawmakers passed a law introducing jail terms for anyone who publishes so-called fake information about the country's armed forces.

The law carries a sentence of up to 15 years in prison for journalists or other people who spread military information that the Kremlin deems to be untrue.

At least two independent media outlets have been taken off the air this week after officials accused them of reporting false information, which means basically anything that is not being published by official Russian sources.

Riddle me this boy wonder.. Why is the new Russian law needed?


Explain this -

The Kremlin will not allow the fighting in Ukraine to be referred to as an invasion or war, CBS News' Mary Ilyushina reports from Moscow.

Arrested? -

Russian state media tightly controls the message it broadcasts to millions of Russians, repeating Putin's claim that this is a defensive operation to protect Russia against what he calls Ukrainian aggression.

State-run media has also never acknowledged the bombardment of Kyiv, Kharkiv or other cities outside of the Donbas area.

Sounds like a denial of information and the truth to me? how do you see it?

There are many Russians who see through this and are taking to the streets.

According to a Russian rights group, more than 8,000 protesters have been arrested across the country.

Russians can still access some independent sources of news by going online and using a virtual private network, or VPN. That's what Ilyushina and other journalists do, but people who don't know how to do that are being left without a comprehensive picture of what is going on in Ukraine.

For simply wanting all the facts and the truth, which differs from Putins truth.

UN Experts Say Russian Media Law Amounts to Information 'Blackout'

GENEVA (Reuters) - A Russian law giving Moscow stronger powers to crack down on independent journalism is placing Russia under a "total information blackout" on the war in Ukraine, U.N. independent experts said on Friday.

Moscow, whose forces invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, last week blocked Facebook and other websites and passed a law that imposed a prison term of up to 15 years for spreading intentionally "fake" news about the military.

The move prompted the BBC, Bloomberg and other foreign media to suspend reporting in the country, although the BBC said it was resuming English-language reporting from Russia on March 8 because of the "urgent need to report from inside Russia".

"Russia's recent adoption of a punitive 'fake war news' law is an alarming move by the government to gag and blindfold an entire population," three independent U.N. experts appointed by the top U.N. rights body, the Human Rights Council, said in a statement.

"...the law places Russia under a total information blackout on the war and in so doing gives an official seal of approval to disinformation and misinformation," they continued.

You are on the wrong side of history Grim.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Russia has lost 13 generals to combat

There is another piece of propaganda you have no problem pushing. They have lost generals and a lot of the generals that were claimed to be killed found their reported deaths very amusing in the videos they made afterward.

Even now you go on about what they failed to take. As if you have ever acknowledged their stated objectives. Instead, you go on about objectives that MSM and our government assigned them. AKA propaganda. How many times have you claimed they were supposed to take a country bigger than Iraq in 5 days? I saw it once today. That is such a ludicrous dumb statement that I don't even bother with it.

What you are doing is what I have seen done on other sites. With them, they try to shut down conversation or conflicting info by calling it transphobic, homophobic, chauvinistic, or many other labels.

You can moan all you want but I am not going to stop posting info because of your sensibilities.

You can challenge the info, debate the info, ignore the info, or any other number of things but your labeling games will not stop the info from entering your safe space on here.

What you are trying to do is gatekeep what should and shouldn't be presented, you are larping as a Ministry of Truth official.

Day 103 of Putins 5 day war -

a reply to: Grimpachi

Which objective is that since Putin has a rotating list that changes every day.
* - removing Nazis?
* - overthrowing the government in Kiev
* - protecting Donbas
* - demilitarize Ukraine
* - demilitarize NATO
* - restoring the former borders of the USSR
* - restoring former lands of the Russian Empire
* - to prevent Ukraine from obtaining nukes
* - to prevent NATO from placing nukes in Ukraine
* - to prevent Ukraine from joining the EU
* - to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO
* - to prevent Ukraine from invading Russia
* - to stop "genocide" in east Ukraine
* - because Ukraine is not a real country
* - to ensure Ukraine;s "neutral status"
* - insert any other Putin lie here

However, an opinion piece by state-run news agency Ria Novosti made clear that "denazification is inevitably also de-Ukrainisation" - in effect erasing the modern state.

And it is Russia that is now accused by the international community of carrying out war crimes. Several countries including the US and Canada go further and call it genocide.

After so much destruction, the Russian leader's words ring very hollow now: "It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory; we do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force."

and No. I am calling out Russian propaganda because Russia is lying about whats going on.