Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

lol true..

remember though -
"never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."
– Napoleon Bonaparte

I knew more than a month ago.

russia finally figured it out in the last week, so safe to make fun of them now.

They say they cruise missiled a M777 base.

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According to a new order from the mayor of Konotop, the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church has been banned in the city.

Mayor Artem Semenikhin claims that the Church “threatens national security.”

Unfortunately, this is only the latest in a series of such votes and orders throughout Ukraine since the fratricidal war began in late February. In March, two bills were submitted to the Ukrainian Parliament to ban the Church throughout the entire country.

The Konotop mayor is a notorious member of the far-right nationalist Svoboda party, which has been involved in attacks on the canonical Church for years. A 2019 Times of Israel article referred to Semenikhin and Svoboda as “neo-Nazi” and “anti-Semitic.”

orthochristian.com...

It looks like they do have Nazis in their government as well as their military command.

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[Forwarded from War in Ukraine, subtitled in English]
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#YURI WAR BRIEFING 1) Russian advance near Kharkov continue, possible intention of taking Chuguyev an important fortified area at the South-East of the city. 2) Izyum front: heavy artillery duels, a hell broke loose near Krasni Liman. 3) Success of DPR milicias, they are poised to take Novoluganskoye tomorrow 4) Obedience probles in the units of the AFU in the south, so counteroffensive attempts there stopped for the 2nd day now.

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originally posted by: fuzz4man
They say they cruise missiled a M777 base.

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What's an 'M777 base'?

Is Ukraine confused about how to use them, or is russia confused about what they 'reported' as being hit again?

a reply to: Grimpachi

More Russian propaganda from a webite based on Orthodox Christian, a religion that is controlled from Moscow. The Ukrainian part of the Church could no longer accept Putins grasp on the church, and since religions loyalty is to Moscow it creates a very real problem for Ukraine.

May 28th 2022 - Orthodox Church in Ukraine has decided to cut ties with Russia

SCOTT SIMON, HOST:

Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union in 1991. And while the government was no longer managed from Moscow, millions of Orthodox Christians still belonged to the Russian Orthodox Church. In Ukraine a few years ago, some broke and aligned with the Greek Orthodox Church. Others remained loyal to the church in Moscow. That is, until now. We're joined now from Kyiv by NPR's Julian Hayda. Thanks so much for being with us.

JULIAN HAYDA, BYLINE: Thank you, Scott.

SIMON: What happened to those who remained loyal to the Russian Orthodox Church?

HAYDA: Well, basically, Russia's invasion just became too big to ignore here in Ukraine. They spent decades walking a really fine line in society here between loyalty to Moscow and effective neutrality outside of church affairs. But Russia's invasion in February was just the final straw. The church's leaders here in Ukraine convened an emergency meeting here yesterday, where they determined it would be just impossible to stay loyal to a church in Russia while also keeping their members coming back to church. And that's just because of how unpopular Russia's actions are here in Ukraine. And so they effectively declared independence. That said, they've also kept the door open on potentially reconciling with Moscow and even getting closer with the Greek Orthodox Church. So we'll see.

SIMON: Why would Ukrainians blame a church that happens to have an affiliation with Russia for the actions of the Russian military?

HAYDA: For years, that was precisely the argument that people made. But President Putin has made it somewhat of a policy to bring the Russian church closer to the government, and therefore all of its satellite churches, like the church here in Ukraine, too. Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February, loyalists in Ukraine have called on their patriarch in Moscow - his name is Kirill - to condemn the war. And in fact, he's done quite the opposite. He's backed the war. He's called opponents of it, quote, "forces of evil." And that just doesn't jive with the believers' experiences on the ground here in Ukraine. I talked with Professor Nicholas Denysenko from Valparaiso University. He's an expert on the Ukrainian church.

The Nazis live in Moscow, and in case you want an example of a Nazi in Moscow look in a mirror. Your post once again lacks facts and context. Were you ever going to point out that the Moscow churches Patriarch has refused to condemn the invasion of Ukraine by Russia (issue is located above and is highlighted).

NICHOLAS DENYSENKO: Just put yourself in the position of even a pro-Russian bishop in Odesa, which is essentially what it was on the ground there. When you have to deal with the stark reality of people in your city being massacred by missile attacks, you know, how do you reconcile a position that's openly loyal to Moscow with that kind of terror unleashed against your people?

Is there a chance you will ever stop pushing Russian propaganda? Or are the paychecks really that good from the Kremlin?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

confused? nope?

Russian propaganda by Pro-Russian Guy 5% (Z) (twitter handle) - yup

* - Ukrainian counterattack in Sieveirdonetsk managed to retake part of the city in the central-east.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Quick question to you X

Do you think Biden sending the rocket units to Ukraine will escalate Russia's response or not?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

No Russia is going to blow up famine and before you try and deny it Russia stated as much when they tried to say they would un-blockade the Port of Odessa to get the grain out BUT only if all sanctions against Russia are dropped. Since that wont happen and Putin is ok on stealing crops from Ukraine and shipping it to Syria the fault lies with Putin.

best way to get the grain is take it out by land since they cant use the port. ship it to another near post in another country.

Or...wait till russians try to ship it to syria,then confiscate the ships till you empty the cargo.

a reply to: vkey08

No I don't. Russia opened the door when the invaded Ukraine. For Russia to think they should be immune from attacks on their military, military infrastructure or civilian infrastructure related directly to the Russia Military is stupid to think that way.

Plus several military related sites in Russian cites have been attacked / blown up inside Russia, from West Russia all the way to the Pacific.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Ukraine just received (or is about to receive) an absolute game changer.

Not sure they'll be able to actually use it as intended right away (maybe previously trained Western Patriots are assisting?), but russia had better remove it's fleet from the Black Sea ASAP before finding out the hard way.


Thank You Sweden !!!

I LOVE how so many European countries have stepped up to the plate in such an absolutely outsized way as a result of our 'election' issues over here, it will NEVER be forgotten, really the stuff of Legend.

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: Xcathdra

Quick question to you X

Do you think Biden sending the rocket units to Ukraine will escalate Russia's response or not?

Is that another subtle nuke threat?

Cuz russia already isn't holding anything else back.

a reply to: yuppa

I like Britain's suggestion. Sending the Nato forces to forcibly lift the blockade and to escort civilian vessels in and out of the black sea.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: yuppa

I like Britain's suggestion. Sending the Nato forces to forcibly lift the blockade and to escort civilian vessels in and out of the black sea.

I would actually prefer to send 100% American forces, in a very large quantity, and in a very high tech way, to save Africa's food from russian destruction.

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When the time comes for that anyway, we are perfectly capable of feeding Africa for now.
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Because that's the best (perhaps only?) way to get Africa's food without the russian madman hurling nukes at anyone.

As good as Europe is right now at many military related things, we still have a few special capabilities that are complete science fiction to the rest of the world, even to Europe.

Unfortunately the putin madman has repeatedly threatened to nuke the planet if we try.




Note: I've heard some (completely unconfirmed) 'scuttlebutt' that the UK actually tried to do something about Africa's food recently, and 'something' certainly did happen, but I don't think the UK effort ever had any chance of succeeding, and IF the 'scuttlebutt' was true, it was more of a bluff that russia immediately 'called'.






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The Above is EXTREMELY unlikely right now, we are NOT sending any American Forces.
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

the brits werent trying anything. the russians just shadowed them as they passed by russian claimed waters.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

the brits werent trying anything. the russians just shadowed them as they passed by russian claimed waters.

Yes, I 100% believe all russian claims without question.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Denmark and The Netherlands are now 100% free of Russian gas imports as of today.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: Xcathdra

Quick question to you X

Do you think Biden sending the rocket units to Ukraine will escalate Russia's response or not?

Is that another subtle nuke threat?

Cuz russia already isn't holding anything else back.

Is Russia gonna run out of weapons?

Seems they're throwing everything they've got -- all at once.