Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: zTastaufen

Welcome to ATS.

Scuse me if I ignore your blatant and tedious lies and propaganda.

Why do you even bother?

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: dragonridr

Some are captured intact when Ukrainians fled.

Any evidence that russia has used any of those useless spent tubes yet?

They gonna turn them into giant spitball straws?

I wonder if they have the same GPS tracking as Javelins, if so I sure hope they take them back to russia'a secret HQ bunker right away.

originally posted by: zTastaufen
footage Msta-S self propelled howitzers pounding Ukrainian army in Donbas

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Have they actually hit any military targets yet?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: zTastaufen

Kyiv artillery can reach Donbas? Impressive.

It has super powers from bio weapons labs, those nazis sure are creative.

They also use their Star Trek transporter tech to simply transport the shell wherever they want mid flight.

Finland Moves to Join NATO
Russia’s war is forcing countries to choose sides.

As Russia’s grinding war pulverizes eastern Ukraine and eats away at the global economy, it is also creating unintended consequences for President Vladimir V. Putin, whose aggression is bringing more European nations closer to NATO’s fold and strengthening Western ties, the very thing the Russian leader had hoped to weaken.

Finland’s leaders announced on Thursday that their country should “apply for NATO membership without delay,” while Swedish leaders were expected to do the same within days. It is a remarkable shift by two nations on Russia’s doorstep that had long remained nonaligned militarily — but where public opinion has lurched strongly toward joining the alliance in the 11 weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine.

I guess Vlad the Butcher's savagery has backfired and brought the world closer to world conflagration. And added countries to NATO...

Interesting how the two world tyrannical powers China on the COVID destruction and Russia on this demonic war on Ukraine( which might be the beginning of WWIII) have together brought the world nearer to destruction one way or the other or both.

Of course, the US and NATO must share the blame for NOT bringing this world closer to unity and peace after Russia was defeated in the cold war.

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www.nytimes.com...-are-the-latest-developments-in-the-war-in-ukraine
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Crossing a river aint russians cup of tea

originally posted by: karhu
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Crossing a river aint russians cup of tea

At least they are nice enough to keep trying to cross at the same points every time, you know, so Ukrainian soldiers don't have to get off the couch to make M777 adjustments.

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: dragonridr

Some are captured intact when Ukrainians fled.

Stingers are not high tech or secret. They are essentially heat seeking missiles. nothing special. javelins ar enot overloy complicates either. ooh me shoot missile it flys to tank pops up then down OOh secret weaponzssss..

The Su-25 pilots have to fly at very low-level (where they can be particularly vulnerable to MANPADS as those in the hands of pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine) to perform their Close Air Support missions, some of the passes seem to be a bit too risky!

So there goes the claim they fly so low a MANPAD cant target them. Stingers have 3 mile range. lower you go the more the turbine sticks out since its hotter than the ground.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: dragonridr

Some are captured intact when Ukrainians fled.

Stingers are not high tech or secret. They are essentially heat seeking missiles. nothing special. javelins ar enot overloy complicates either. ooh me shoot missile it flys to tank pops up then down OOh secret weaponzssss..

The Su-25 pilots have to fly at very low-level (where they can be particularly vulnerable to MANPADS as those in the hands of pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine) to perform their Close Air Support missions, some of the passes seem to be a bit too risky!

So there goes the claim they fly so low a MANPAD cant target them. Stingers have 3 mile range. lower you go the more the turbine sticks out since its hotter than the ground.

Shhh...

russia is very smart to fly low at high speed to avoid Stingers, those Stingers are surely harmless in these conditions, in fact their 55s would be completely invisible so russia should send all of them to Ukraine right away on fast low altitude missions.

a reply to: zTastaufen

Estonia is also Uralic - closely related to Finland genetically and linguistic

a reply to: yuppa

If I'm not mistaken flying very low is outside the engagement envelop of MANPADS. They have a min altitude and max altitude envelope.

a reply to: zTastaufen

The Russian logistic ship VSEVOLOD BOBROV was supposedly struck by Ukraine off Snake Island and set on fire

Ship is slowly making its way back to port

The ship is a Project 23120 "ELEBRUS" class ship classified as ARC (Auxiliary Rescue Cargo)

a reply to: firerescue

Ditto Germany and Austria. Basically the same language. Same can be said of Romania and Moldova.

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: yuppa

If I'm not mistaken flying very low is outside the engagement envelop of MANPADS. They have a min altitude and max altitude envelope.

You are mistaken.


Russians are flying nowhere near low enough to cause issues with being too close for Stingers, and don't appear to have the ability to do so (think range, not altitude, stingers can shoot down helicopters hovering 10 feet off the ground)

russians are flying low for only 2 reasons, they are terrified of Ukrainian SAMs that had been destroying all their high flyers, and the russians aren't very good at hitting targets from high altitude.

a reply to: zTastaufen

Early infra red guided SAM would get confused by heat radiating off the ground Same thing for firing within a few degrees of the sun

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Radar SAMs are pretty much all knocked out by anti radar missiles. MANPADS have trouble targeting low flying jets because they fly too fast. And the lower they fly, the closer MANPADS man has to be to the jet to see it because of curvature of Earth. The closer the MANPADS man to the jet, the more danger he is in to attack by jet.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: zTastaufen

Early infra red guided SAM would get confused by heat radiating off the ground Same thing for firing within a few degrees of the sun

Correct.

Stingers are not 'early SAM's though, all they need is a small heat source and a matching target image in their onboard computer.

Even the heat generated by russia's tiny orlan drones has been enough for Stingers to target and destroy them, even at less than 100 ft altitude.

Which is why many wise countries are quickly switching to electric drones for artillery targeting, even though they have a much shorter range and loiter time.

Ukraine is one of those wise countries, russia is not.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Orlan-10 could fly at 2 km altitude. At such altitude it doesn't generate enough heat to be targeted by heat seeking MANPADS.

There's a bunch of captured stuffs including at least 3 NLAWs

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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Finns aren't Slavs....not that I see the relevance.
Wrong is wrong.

If Russia wasn't being so aggressive towards its neighbours Finland wouldn't feel so threatened and thus need to seek protection.

You're self-loathing is becoming more and more apparent with each post you make.

Finns aren't Slavs? You aint kidding, where you going with this? Lost on that one.

Self loathing? Becoming more apparent? Again, no idea where you are going here. But as this is a conspiracy site then I like it