Russia Ukraine Update Thread

a reply to: TrueAmerican

I suspect that your point concerning eastern Ukraine is valid. Putin might have planned on securing those areas with a Munich style agreement. So Putin resorted to invading Ukraine. However, the broader European war is Putin's attempt at fulfilling deranged dreams of restoring the Russian Empire.

Are you referring to a preemptive nuclear strike to prevent Putin's westward expansionism? Are you referring to NATO deploying conventional military forces in Ukraine?

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Imhere
I clearly have extensive knowledge in this.

Clearly. I'm even willing to go as far as sayin you've got a Jimmy the Greek Certificate of authencity to prove it!

originally posted by: Imhere

I’m telling you what’s going to happen.

Tell ya what, i'll let you extort me for whatever price you deem fit, if you promise to not ever tell me anything.

originally posted by: Imhere

Then next world headlines is……

The next world headline is…. anything. Ukraine news will get hampered down

Ok Tommy Two Times..... imma go get da coffee, get da coffee.

Nice.

Part of you, can only pull up/scramble for some lame Scorsese references in retort?

Putin/Russia is set.

Tell me how Russia doesn’t have leverage here.

Tell me that Ukraine is really that important and “uncomplicated” until the next News headline comes up.

And glosses over this Ukraine situation.

Wasn’t some “stormy Daniels” the headline years ago?

I can pull out so many generic examples here but hopefully you catch my drift.

(waits for delusional retort on how Russia isn’t a Master /a big dog in nuclear warfare)

( same repeat under Biden/democrats)

I don't care.

You want real news?

Russia shoots at buses and tries to make them go back. The green passages lead only to russia or odessa and they dont let anyone go to the west. Cities are cut from having water, food, electiricity, tv, only radio is russian propaganda. People basically live in shelters and chldren die from dehydratation.. And we are speaking for an european coutnry in the 21th century.

a reply to: ZeroFurrbone




I wish we could do more, and more quickly.




Thank you for your effort there, and to bring first hand accounts here.


Have you seen this yet:

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ZeroFurrbone

I wish we could do more, and more quickly.




Thank you for your effort there, and to bring first hand accounts here.


Have you seen this yet:

Delusional.

Just like here, there’s American bred and American pride.

Then you have sell outs making propaganda about borders by Mexico… it’s “racist” and there’s this. (not stirring off)

You don’t think that’s how it is in RUSSIA ffs??

Think about Russia, think about some of the worlds most bad ***- extremely well balanced and knowledge.

This isn’t a “Putin” episode
hoping it’s a “Kim jung/ N. Korea situation” here

a reply to: Imhere


So those aren't 3 russians in that video?

Or those 3 russians are lying about russia, while knowing the penalty for doing so?



Talk about delusional.

8 March update.

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces are consolidating and preparing for further operations along the western and eastern outskirts of Kyiv, especially in the Irpin area in the west and the Brovary area in the east;

* Ukrainian forces are challenging the extended Russian lines reaching from Sumy, which Russian forces have not yet taken, to the eastern outskirts of Kyiv;

* Russian troops are likely attempting to bypass Mykolayiv and cross the Southern Bug upriver of that city to permit an advance on Odesa combined with an impending amphibious operation against that city; and

* Russian forces are also driving north from Crimea toward the city of Zaporizhya.

Cheers

Russian ex-minister says invasion of Ukraine is stalling because officials stole from military budget for 'mega-yachts in Cyprus'

According to this article Putin is basically a crime lord, the head hancho of criminals in Russia. And basically the entire hierarchy in Russia is based on corruption. Selfish love of money, and hatred of human life:

Andrey Kozyrev, a former foreign minister, laid out reasons Putin may have misjudged his invasion.

He suggested Putin had overestimated the Russian military — while Putin has dedicated billions of dollars to modernizing Russia's forces, this money, Kozyrev claimed, may have been lost to endemic corruption.

He claimed Putin had overestimated Russia's military, not realizing its budget had been embezzled.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been met with tough Ukrainian resistance.

In a Twitter thread over the weekend, Andrey Kozyrev, who served as the foreign minister under President Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s, put forward what he said were misjudgments by President Vladimir Putin in ordering the invasion.

He suggested Putin had overestimated the Russian military — while Putin has dedicated billions of dollars to modernizing Russia's forces, this money, Kozyrev claimed, may have been lost to endemic corruption.

"The Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military. Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus. But as a military advisor you cannot report that to the President. So they reported lies to him instead," Kozyrev wrote.

Here Bill Browder explains the corrupt mob running Russia, calling Putin the "mafia boss." Sounds more like the way the cartels run Mexico. Bill Browder went to Russia to run an investment fund, and the government stole over $200 million dollars from him and he got a lawyer to defend himself who was tortured and murdered.

a reply to: randomuser

I read last week that a big problem for the Russian forces is that the generals and defense ministry people are corrupt and pocket money intended for maintenance of the force. Window washing is done so that it looks like the requirements were addressed, but the end result is things like using cheap Chinese copies of Michelin military-grade tires. And the Chinese tires don't hold up under the stress of wartime.

It sounds like the conscripted troops are really screwed over under Putin's system.

Cheers

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: McGinty

I doubt Biden is doing anything.

He's a Muppet.

Funny how we blame an elite cabal for running the world towards globalism and control, yet when it suits us it’s just one old potus running things and that’s why it’s out of control and gone to sh!t.

However incompetent Biden is or isn’t is he really the only person pulling strings stateside. Would there not be the hidden hand of the shadowy cabal ATS loves to fear at work behind US policy. Or do they only get involved in selective ATS threads?

Maybe the problem is that Putin’s secretly an ATS member and believes all the NWO threads and has decided to declare war on our dreaded, hypothetical cabal? If that caused the end of the world you’d have to laugh at the self fulling irony.

a reply to: xpert11

It’s also possible that potus has been told the planes could make the difference and end the conflict. Maybe potus doesn’t want the conflict to end, but instead drag on in the hope it drags Putin down with it - his own people eventually turning on him.

That’s the US MO with Russia (a la Reagan vs communism; make them overstretch)

If that’s the plan then imo it’s foolhardy, since Putin is far less predictable than Brezhnev or Gorbachev. Who knows what his last roll of the dice might be if faced with a personal ending.

That’s speculation and I hope the actual reason is, as you said not wanting to tilt us all into war. I appreciate you think that’s a naive position, but If that is the potus’ thinking I’m glad as I tend to agree with it. The most dangerous times!

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

When they realized Kennedy was dead serious and risked it all calling their bluff, they pulled out.

That's not quite how it happened though. Kennedy didn't "risk it all", in fact he was very measured in his responses by not risking and instead instituting a blockade under the guise of a "quarantine" while using a back channel to allow the USSR an exit ramp through Turkey.

Absolutely! The best way to defuse a situation like this is carrot and stick. Show readiness to deploy consequences, while providing the best face-saving way for the adversary to withdraw. They will weigh the cost of backing down against the cost of escalating, so ensure that backing down looks like a bargain.

originally posted by: randomuser
Russian ex-minister says invasion of Ukraine is stalling because officials stole from military budget for 'mega-yachts in Cyprus'

According to this article Putin is basically a crime lord, the head hancho of criminals in Russia. And basically the entire hierarchy in Russia is based on corruption. Selfish love of money, and hatred of human life:

Same the world over with differing success rates in fooling the public it’s all legitimate.

originally posted by: xpert11
Are you referring to a preemptive nuclear strike to prevent Putin's westward expansionism? Are you referring to NATO deploying conventional military forces in Ukraine?

He’s surely not! Anyone suggesting that is an enemy of all mankind… and an idiot!

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

man they say this in every #ing war for every country , if its not cheap tires , its cheap belts or some other thing required for safety , if its not the new plastic rifle that jams all the time but its top of the line
politicians are always cutting costs and skimming off the top
they do this to every military over the plant , they steal from us , and then order a bunch of # with our money and it never gets there or is a cheaper version than expected

why arent the worlds militaries doing something about the #ing criminals in our own government and not some # wit half a planet away

im fed up of the military lot just blindly following orders of clearly criminal and sociopathic people

* - "Putin has commented privately & publicly over the years that he doesn't believe Ukraine's a real country. he's dead wrong about that" per @CIA's Burns "Real countries fight back & that's what the Ukrainians have done"

* - The Kharkiv tram depot was shelled

* - "We're banning all imports of Russian gas, oil and energy," announces @POTUS

* - US will share in the responsibility for caring for the refugees fleeing Ukraine, says @POTUS

* - The most significant package of sanctions in history is causing damage to the economy of Russia, according to @POTUS who adds: "One ruble is now worth less than one American penny”

* - British Labor Minister announces gradual ban on gas and oil imports from Russia

* - Foreign Minister Baerbock currently believes that Putin cannot be stopped. Baerbock at @BILD: "We must do everything to stop this war. This President is apparently unstoppable at the moment because he is crossing all human boundaries."

* - Sr. Defense official says @SecDef Austin has spoken with defense minister from Slovakia, as well as the United Kingdom today, and he's on the phone right now with the Defense Minister of France. Calls focusing on #UkraineRussianWar

* - Latest @planet imagery shows the flooding of the land north of Kyiv stop the advance of Russian troops last week. h/t @AnneMPellegrino

* - Kyiv has about 10 days to two weeks of supplies yet, as Russia tries to choke off Ukraine Capital, said DIA's Berrier. "With supplies being cut off, it will become somewhat desperate," General Berrier said

* - Nearly 670 missile launches by Russia into Ukraine to date since war began (70 from Belarus, 6 or so coming from Black Sea, most fired from Russia or inside Ukraine ) #UkraineRussianWar -per Sr Defense official

* - Ukrainian President to British Parliament: Russia targets hospitals and nuclear facilities

* - Russian troops captured northern part of Izyum town, all bridges over Siversky Donets blown up

* - Aerial strike targeted dormitory at Karbutivka district of Zhytomyr - Mayor

* - Aerial strike on military unit in Boryspil district, there are casualties - police

* - UN nuclear watchdog says remote data transmission from safeguards monitoring systems installed at Ukraine's Chernobyl site has been lost, looking into status of systems at other locations

* - The White House: Imposing a limited no-fly zone over Ukraine to protect civilians is an escalatory step

* - 27 civilians killed in Kharkiv in last 24 hours - head of police. 170, including 5 children killed in the city since the start of Russian invasion

* - 2 killed, including 7y.o. child as result of Russian airstrike in Donets village of Kharkiv region. Civil defense rescued 1 person from the rubble

* - All business activity in Russia - including shipments and cafe operations - to be halted, announces @Starbucks

* - 3 BMD-2, one BTR-D, and a 2S9 Nona-S howitzer captured by Ukrainian forces. Likely from the Mykolaiv

* - The "green corridor" in Mariupol is regularly shelled, which prevents residents from leaving the city and forces them to remain in basements. There are many looters on the streets; the military distributes water and recharges phones

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - U.S. Under Secretary of State Nuland says Poland's decision to put all its Mig-29 jets at U.S. disposal was not pre-consulted with the United States

* - Coca-Cola Co said on Tuesday it is suspending its business in Russia, following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine

* - Pepsico inc announces the suspension of the sale of Pepsi-Cola, and global beverage brands in Russia, including 7up and Mirinda- Reuters

* - Big fires in Balakliya following heavy Russian strikes

* - 7 houses were destroyed in Malyn, Zhytomyr region as result of Russian army airstrike. 5 civilians dead, including 2 infants. Rescue operation ongoing

* - "It is something we should look at," @UnderSecStateP in answer to question from @senjohnbarasso as to whether Russia should be considered a state sponsor of terrorism

* - Russia's military is moving armored vehicles and equipment to the northeast and southwest of Antonov Airport, less than a hour from downtown Kyiv. Image: @Maxar

* - A lot of Russian military equipment moving through Bervitsya, towards Browary in Kyiv region

* - Ukraine's President Zelensky: We will never forgive 52 Ukrainian children who died in the war because of the occupiers. I will never forgive this and I know that you will never forgive the invaders. Like Kharkiv, Mariupol and other cities

* - Venezuelan President Maduro said his government will restart talks with the opposition after he met with senior U.S. officials who are considering lifting oil sanctions on Caracas as energy prices surge because of war in Ukraine

* - 01:12, 01:17, 01:23 (Minsk time). It's reported on three more missile launches in the Mazyr district (Gomel region)

* - Elysee: Macron and Blinken agreed to make the cost of the war on Russia greater to stop the fighting

* - General Staff of Ukraine: in Kyiv region Russian troops attempted to move from Buzova towards Yasnohorodka. Battle for Izyum town. Battles in Chernihiv, Sumy regions. Russian troops captured Polohy town in Zaporizhiye region

* - Stark warning from the @StateDept to any Americans planning to disregard the "Do Not Travel" advisory to go to Ukraine: Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children

* - Pentagon response to Poland's proposal on jets: "We will continue to consult with Poland and our other NATO allies about this issue and the difficult logistical challenges it presents, but we do not believe Poland's proposal is a tenable one"

* - Foreign volunteers will be able to obtain Ukrainian citizenship if they want to, First Deputy Interior Minister Yevhen Yenin said on March 9. Twenty thousand foreign volunteers have joined Ukrainian forces to fight Russia since March 6

* - Residential building caught fire at Saltivka district in Kharkiv after Russian army shelling

* - Poland's deputy FM @paweljabIonski on Pentagon's dismissal of Polish proposal to transfer MiG29s jets; it cannot be that Poland is the only NATO country to bear the risk, and other countries would not have to compensate or share this in any way, we'll continue talks with allies

* - The @IAEA says it is increasingly urgent and important to allow staff at nuclear sites in UA - Chernobyl and Zhaporizhzhya - to rotate. Those at Chernobyl have not done so for 2 weeks and there are reports that those at Zhaporizhzhya are being tortured

* - Over the last day, ten Severodonetsk locals died and nine were wounded in the Russian troops' shelling, reports head of the Luhansk Regional Civil–Military Administration Serhiy Haidai.

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - Explosions audible in Kharkiv, stay in the shelters

* - Big Russian military convoy destroyed near Kharkiv

* - Footage allegedly showing a ATGM strike on a Russian tank

* - Russian troops entered Skadovsk

* - Evacuation from Bucha, Vorzel, Hostomiel, Borodyanka

* - Russian troops in Skadovsk, Kherson region

* - Kharkiv(10:27). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv(10:32). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Buses arrived for evacuation from Vorzel, Borodyanka, Buchi, Irpin and Gostomel

* - Ukraine expects temporary ceasefire to evacuate civilians from 10 cities on March 9. The routes include Enerhodar and Mariupol to Zaporizhzhia, from Sumy to Poltava, from Izium to Lozova, from Volnovakha to Pokrovsk, from Vorzel, Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin, and Hostomel to Kyiv

* - 5 rescued by civil defense after Russian airstrike destroyed 2 residential houses in Lebedyn

* - SBU released a video in which a Russian soldier says he was sent to Ukraine to capture Kharkiv, block all main roads leading to the cities. They were also given an order to "open fire at any resistance"

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Flightradar24

* - JAKE11 - Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint / USAF - Patrolling Poland / Kaliningrad / Belarus / Ukraine border
* - LAGR230 - Boeing KC-135T Stratotanker / USAF - Running circles over Romania
* - MMF18 - Airbus A330-243MRTT / NATO Natherlands - Running circles in Southeast Poland
* - DUKE43 - Sikorsky UH-60M Blackhawk / US Army - Flying around southeast Poland