Russia Ukraine Update Thread

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

So if Poland equips Ukraine with planes, then Putin will have to be true to his word and declare war on Poland. Since the States enabled this, we are getting close to a place of no return. This is predictable as when all else fails they take you to war. The prize will be lots of gold in the vaults of Russia, a land of limitless resources, and much-untapped wealth. It will end any thoughts of economic depression. The only problem is it will probably end everything.

Yep. Pretty much that. Though I don't see Russia getting away with any resources. This would not be attack just against Poland. It would be attack against Nato.
If Nato would join in, pro Russian countries would join in. WWIII we're talking here. Very close and very real. Nothing like a movie. This would be a very dirty war. The end of any need for any resources because there would be no one to use them.

Nobody, sincerely, wants this outcome. We, rather, choose to watch the slaughter of innocent people, hoping that God will forgive us one day. Because these people will not.

Time is ticking to make a decision though. Negotiations are futile. Threat is real. Everyone needs to save faces. Elections are coming as well. Will Ukraine go till the last Ukrainian? Will Putin prevail?

There's lots to ponder about tonight.


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a reply to: wordforword


I mostly agree, but zero russian supporting countries would get involved.

They just saw first hand that everything we've been saying about the decrepit russian military for 20+ years was not only correct, but significantly understated.


In the unlikely event you described, it would be U.S. vs. russia head to head, with a heavy dose of NATO, and putin KNOWS he has zero chance of any part of russia surviving that.

Zero.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: wordforword


I mostly agree, but zero russian supporting countries would get involved.

They just saw first hand that everything we've been saying about the decrepit russian military for 20+ years was not only correct, but significantly understated.


In the unlikely event you described, it would be U.S. vs. russia head to head, with a heavy dose of NATO, and putin KNOWS he has zero chance of any part of russia surviving that.

Zero.

You think an all out nuclear war has a winner?

a reply to: Soloprotocol


No.

Not 'win'.

That would be dumb.

NOBODY 'wins'.

But one side WILL survive, and that ONE side is already known.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I don't think there would be an all-out nuclear war.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: jedi_hamster

originally posted by: wordforword

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: PatriotGames4u
I suspect they may have decided to do it behind the scenes,but are not making it public in case of escalation.
Fair enough.

I was thinking the same thing. All this convo train about supplying and then instant denial. They know everybody is looking at them now.

We'll wait and see, I guess.

our government is dumb, but not THAT dumb.

i'm worried about something else. they've clearly pointed out how our jets look like.

ukrainians may grab some paint, add some white and red checkerboard to their planes, then pretend those are polish to drag us into a war - and whole NATO with us. i only hope russia won't fall for such cheap tricks, because ukraine sure as hell isn't above it.

you think russians are going to confuse old russian planes for an f35?

Because of a paint job?

Ukraine will receive old russian planes, not American made planes.



Was this sarcasm?

A paint job?

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: jedi_hamster

ukrainians may grab some paint, add some white and red checkerboard to their planes, then pretend those are polish to drag us into a war

Seems ya may have missed out on the whole "warplane radar signature" 101 class.

Paint.....smdh

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: alphabetaone

Reading his/her statement you replied to actually gave me a headache.

get a room.

then try learning to read.

ukraine has their own MIGs 29 - or at least had, not sure how many are left.

they were supposed to get MIGs 29 from poland.

F35 my ass, do you even THINK for a second before posting, or are you so brainwashed your brain is just f..king dead already?

bunch of trolls, that's what you are.

* - Russian Navy strike near Tuzly village in Odesa region

* - Chernihiv, Kyiv(05:01). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Destruction of Vinnytsia airport after missile strike

* - According to preliminary information, the missiles that hit Vinnytsia airport were launched from Transnistria

* - Rally against Russian occupation in Heniches'k

* - The Russian missile in the Ukrainian airspace before the explosion at Vinnytsia airport

* - Civilian safe passage from Ukraine's Mariupol 'halted': ICRC

* - Macron, Putin hold new telephone talks lasting 1 hour 45 minutes: Elysee

* - Mariupol City Council: Civilians could not be evacuated due to the continuous Russian bombing

* - Geolocation of MLRS firing from Peremoha, Kyiv Oblast

* - Heavy Russian missile strikes on the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv

* - Blinken will meet @EmmanuelMacron in Paris on Tuesday evening, @StateDeptSpox says. But first @SecBlinken will stop in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia

* - The number has now doubled: Police detained more than 2,034 people at anti-war protests in cities across Russia on Sunday, the OVD-Info protest monitor said

* - Tens of thousands of refugees pouring into Lviv in Western Ukraine. UN says more than 1.5 million have fled the country since the war began

* - In the Luhansk region, the Russian military shelled Rubizhne

* - "We are working with Poland as we speak to see if we can backfill anything that they provide to Ukraine," Sec Blinken says on @CNNSotu Re: fighter jets Poland may send to Ukraine. "We are actively talking about that right now"

* - Sec. Blinken tells @jaketapper he was on a call with Biden and Cabinet officials yesterday to discuss a ban on Russian oil imports: "We are now talking to our European partners and allies to look in a coordinated way at the prospect of banning the import of Russian oil"

* - Russian army attacked Kramatorsk with cruise missile. At least 2 civilians dead, more wounded

* - Two large aircraft on the deck at Gomel Airport in SE Belarus earlier today, some 48 km from the Ukraine border. Their size and shape suggest they are likely Ilyushin Il-76, commonly operated by/for the Russia Military. Imagery: Sentinel-2 (Twitter photo / safe)

* - In London, UK, thousands are protesting against the war in Ukraine waged by Putin's Russia

* - At least 364 civilians are confirmed to have been killed in Ukraine since Russian troops invaded on Feb. 24, and another 759 wounded, although the true numbers are probably "considerably higher", a U.N. monitoring mission said on Sunday

* - Balaklia. Three people were injured in a shelling in the city center. A shell hit the apartment building

* - RF Ministry of Defense: the use of the airfield network of border countries for basing military aviation of Ukraine can be regarded as the involvement of these countries in an armed conflict

* - Russian army shellin destroyed a church in Bobryk village of Kyiv region

* - Ministry of Defense: Cruise missile that targeted Vinnytsia were launched from the vessel in Black Sea, their trajectory was through Transdnistria

* - Russian military column was ambushed in Kharkiv region

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

a reply to: jedi_hamster

First when you say something ignorant (which you did) learn to admit it, don't double down.

They could paint whatever they want on the planes, and it wouldn't matter, that's not how they track them (or US war planes would be stripped of all physical markers before deployment).

As bad as Russian training is, they don't rely on visuals for identification, no way Poland would let take a jet and fly them into Ukraine without stripping them of everything that could possibly identify it as coming from Poland because nobody wants WW3, it would have to fly with Ukraine software/codes uploaded if it this pick up and fly to Ukraine was going to happen.

Everybody in the world knows Nato is supplying Ukraine, but fighter planes are different than automatic weapons and manpads, that would take it from regional fight to WW3 at the drop of a hat.

* - .@SecBlinken: The U.S. has given the "green light" to NATO countries if they choose to provide fighter jets to Ukraine, one day after President Zelensky made a plea to members of Congress to provide them during a Saturday Zoom call"

* - Elysee: Putin told Macron that he will achieve his goals in Ukraine, whether by war or through negotiations

* - The Russian Ministry of Defense announced strikes on Ukrainian enterprises of the defense complex

* - New air raid in Kharkiv(18:12). Take cover now

* - Aircraft reportedly shot down in the area of Balakireva residential apartments in Kharkiv

* - National Defense and Security council of Ukraine warns of provocation by Russian army in which they will shell civilians in Russian cities near the border and blame Ukraine (See justification for Putins war in Chechnya and how many russian citizens were murders by Putin to justify the invasion of chechnya)

* - "There is bombardment by the Russian forces," U.N. High Commissioner for @Refugees @FilippoGrandi says of the safe passageways Ukrainians are using to flee into neighboring countries (Twitter video / safe)

* - Kharkiv Defense HQ: at about 18:15 Russian aircraft was shot down with MANPADS. Pilot has not ejected. Aircraft crashed near Kulinichi

* - The Ukrainian army shot down the Russian jet in Kharkiv - (Twitter video / Safe)

* - TV tower in Kharkiv was targeted in airstrike. Broadcasts disrupted

* - OVD-Info: 4,359 detainees in 56 cities across Russia during protests against war in Ukraine

* - Something has fallen at Holodna Hora in Kharkiv

* - 8 civilians dead as result of Russian army attacks in Irpin during evacuation - mayor Markushin

* - Ukrainian Foreign Ministry: The army is steadfast and capable of fighting

* - Something has fallen near Konniy Market in Kharkiv

* - Helicopters flying towards Kharkiv, very low, possible airborne landing operation

* - Putin had phone call with Israeli PM Bennett

* - The BETONICS in Alekseevka is burning. Kharkiv

* - Kharkiv regional attorney office is on fire

* - 500kgs bomb did not exploded in Korosten', Zhytomyr region. Civil defense defused it

* - Rally against Russian occupation in Melitopol'

* - Novopskov, Russian soldiers wounded 5 people during a peaceful rally, Oblast Head says

* - AMEX: "In light of Russia's ongoing, unjustified attack on the people of Ukraine, American Express is suspending all operations in Russia. Additionally, cards issued locally in Russia by Russian banks will no longer work outside of the country .." $AXP

* - IAEA says Russian forces have switched off some mobile networks and the internet at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Says there are issues with food supply at plant and IAEA cannot get "reliable information" about plant

* - Heavy shelling targeting all districts in Chernihiv

* - Consulate of Azerbaijan in Kharkiv heavily damaged

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - Protesters in Chonhar demands from Russian occupants to get out of Crimea - (Telegram video / safe

* - Explosions reported in central Kharkiv

* - Moldova: Moldovan President Maia Sandu announced after the meeting of the Supreme Security Council that the government would ask the Parliament to declare a state of emergency in the country in the context of the war in Ukraine

* - Polish Border guards: At 8 PM CET the number of refugees who entered Poland from Ukraine surpassed 1 million (and yet Russia keeps saying Ukrainians arent being allowed to leave)

* - Monitoring of military airfields in Belarus indicates that two more Russian A-50s intelligence aircraft (AWACS) arrive at Baranovichi air base, about 420 km from the Kyiv

* - Advisor to office of President of Ukraine urges western partners to provide Ukraine with air defense capabilities/aircraft before it is too late

* - Russian military vehicle set on fire in Volchansk, Kharkiv region

* - Explosions reported over Kharkiv

* - Volnovakha, Hostomel, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Kherson and Chernihiv – received the honorary award of the city-hero

* - Zelensky: "Russia announced that tomorrow it will be bombing our defense industry enterprises. Most of them are located in our cities, with civilians around. It's a murder, simply a murder. And I didn't see any world leader react to it today, any Western politician"

* - Johnson announces additional aid to Ukraine of about 100 million dollars

* - "We've observed limited changes on the ground over the past day. Russian forces continued efforts to advance and isolate Kyiv, Kharkhiv and Chernihiv across the north and east are being met with strong Ukrainian resistance," a senior U.S. defense official said

* - Heavy clashes near Kharkiv, violent artillery and aerial shelling targeting the city

* - Nearly 95% of the combat power Russia amassed for the invasion are now in Ukraine. No significant movement along the Russian advances in the north. "Leading elements remain outside these city centers. We cannot give specific distances today." The 40-mile convoy remains stalled

* - Dormitory 8 of Kharkiv National Aviation institute damaged in Russian attack

* - Bomb targeted house at 23rd August street, 20 in Kharkiv

* - British Defense: Russian forces continued to bomb military and civilian targets in Ukraine

* - After the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Russian troops gatherings in Novaya Basana and Skripali, the Russian army suffered significant losses, redeploying additional forces to replenish it

* - Russian troops captured Kashpero-Mykolaivka in Mykolaiv region

* - General Staff: In the course of hostilities, Chuhuiv in Kharkiv region was cleared from Russian forces

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Flioghtradar24

* - RRR6731 - Boeing C-17A Globemaster III / Transport RAF - Currently over southern Poland
* - FORTE12 - Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk / Drone USAF - Currently over Black Sea
* - UNKWN - Nextant 400XTi / unknown - Flight path From Turkey to Russia

* - Russia is recruiting Syrian fighters to aid in the Ukraine invasion and help take Kyiv: report

Moscow is interested in Syrians who have experience with urban combat in hopes they can help Russian forces take Kyiv, Ukraine's capital and largest city, the officials said.

It was not clear how many Syrian fighters had been recruited or if any had already been deployed to Ukraine, though one official told The Journal some were already in Russia preparing.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on The Journal report.

Russia has been operating in Syria since 2015, when it launched a military intervention to help the Syrian government fight against rebels in the ongoing civil war.

click link for article


* - Russian President Vladimir Putin in a telephone call with his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron blamed Kyiv for failed civilian evacuations from the key Ukrainian port city of Mariupol which is surrounded by Russian troops, the Kremlin said Sunday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin in a telephone call with his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron blamed Kyiv for failed civilian evacuations from the key Ukrainian port city of Mariupol which is surrounded by Russian troops, the Kremlin said Sunday.

* - NA TO has the 'green light' to send fighter jets to Ukraine, Secretary of State says

Secretary of State Antony Blinken shared on Sunday that a "green light" has been given to NATO members wanting to send fighter jets to Ukraine in an effort to support the nation during Russia's invasion.

Blinken shared the news while speaking on CBS News' "Face the Nation." He said that the okay had been given when asked about whether or not Poland could send fighter planes to Ukraine.

"In fact, we're talking with our Polish friends right now about what we might be able to do to backfill their needs if, in fact, they choose to provide these fighter jets to the Ukrainians," Blinken said.

* - 'We will blow it up': Last bridge to Kyiv stalls Russian advance

The explosives tied under the belly of the last bridge standing between advancing Russian soldiers and Kyiv sadden Ukrainian volunteer forces sergeant "Casper".

His fellow commanders have blown up all the other bridges on the western flank of the Ukrainian capital in a desperate bid to slow the Russian tanks.

* - Ukrainian call for no-fly zone draws no support; Biden administration to request $10B in aid to Ukraine: Live updates

a reply to: jedi_hamster


Someone claimed that Ukraine might paint a modern American plane to fool russia into thinking it was an old russian jet for a false flag.

Absurd.

I was making fun of someone's absurdity with the f35 statement.

Got feelz?




Sounds like you're getting pretty frustrated, having a bad week?

Ha Ha.

* - Russian Navy strike near Tuzly village in Odesa region

* - Chernihiv, Kyiv(05:01). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Media: "In less than a week, the United States and NATO have pushed more than 17,000 antitank weapons, including Javelin missiles, over the borders of Poland and Romania," (Twitter photo - statement / Safe)

a reply to: Xcathdra


3000 American Vets have volunteered to help kick the peace out of russians in Ukraine.

300 'fire fighters' already inside Ukraine.



Note: article is several days old, so actual numbers are likely much higher now.



www.militarytimes.com...

The Government will urgently pass a sanctions law that could freeze Russian assets and close the country’s airspace and waters to Russian aircraft and ships, significantly ratcheting up New Zealand’s response to the invasion of Ukraine.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, in announcing the move on Monday afternoon, said New Zealand had to act outside the United Nations (UN) sanctions regime, previously favoured by the Government, as Russia had vetoed a resolution condemning its attack in the UN Security Council.

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I am deeply embarrassed and ashamed by the length of time Ardern's government took to make a modest move towards a saner approach towards the international situation. Moreover, I am not convinced that the sanctions regime will end Putin's war in Ukraine. But there is no reason for New Zealand to do business as normal with Russia.

a reply to: xpert11

Yeh and when you actually stood up and declared NZ a Nuclear Free Country, it was only Russia that would trade with you. They battered the dollar, then tried another tack and bought you. So whatever they do it's what they have been told to do.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: xpert11

Yeh and when you actually stood up and declared NZ a Nuclear Free Country, it was only Russia that would trade with you. They battered the dollar, then tried another tack and bought you. So whatever they do it's what they have been told to do.

Nobody would trade with NZ?



We trade with a LOT of nuclear free countries.

Pretty much everyone on the planet except cuba, venezuela, syria, iran, north korea, and now russia.

What a great club russia just joined.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I think 32k volunteers is a bit on the low side but still awesome.

a reply to: xpert11

You are not alone in feeling embarrassed about the leader of New Zealand (I am assuming you are a kiwi?). I am ashamed of Biden and my government and the games they play.

I think Ukraine would make an awesome ally. I wish I could say the same about my government.

I think the only way Putin will be stopped is either by the Russian people or a world war.