Missouri Returning to Reason - Rolling back minimum wage

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: strongfp
You are arguing with a brick wall.

Well, that's the most accurate comment you've had in this thread.

I am not arguing. i am pointing out your flaws as an anti-progressive human being and how your views on life are that of someone who lived 120+ years ago.

Again, this is a surprise to anyone who familiar with me? I will never be accused of being even remotely progressive. Why? Because "progress" isn't automatically a good thing. One can progress down the wrong path and find themselves in a much deeper part of snip creek than they were in when they started. Then what? Backtracking. WHat you're calling "flaws" I consider virtues. America has lost its way thanks to "progressive" actions and we need to roll back the clock. Hell, I can't even argue the 120 years claim...

Yup.
With that mentality we would have surely gotten to the moon!
Or stopped two world wars!
Or finalized civil rights...

I think you need to read up on your TDR and learn what progressive politics means, because you clearly don't understand it at all.

a reply to: Nyiah

You plan and leave before your next month rent is due. They will keep your deposit...but you know what...I have never known anyone get their full deposit back! Landlords always have excuses. It is a given nowadays.

Will you perhaps rough it a few weeks...probably so. Best to research where you want to go...don't fantasize or dream...be realistic. Never let prospective employers know you are homeless...they won't hire you. Presentation is key. Truck stops have showers and campgrounds have coin showers and laundries.

It is challenging...but if the job in your area doesn't pay a living wage...you can leave...always. Even my homeless brother, with a bike, semi-retarded...had found his way across the country to California and back. if he can do it...I believe anyone can. Just don't be a victim and decide to live life. He has been able to make a living doing bike repair and taxidermy now. No money from the government.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Nyiah

You plan and leave before your next month rent is due. They will keep your deposit...but you know what...I have never known anyone get their full deposit back! Landlords always have excuses. It is a given nowadays.

Completely inadvisable to do that, just don't skip out on rent, people. When the question of references comes up, it's going to be a red flag to another landlord when you either don't list your last one, or they call & check if you do. It's a great way to not get rented to when you start f'ing around with payments. The last person we rented from was a family friend who'd been a career landlord for 20 years, either of those 2 occur and they look at you with extra & more negative scrutiny, straight from the horse's mouth.

Also, it may not be the same for every renter, but we've always gotten our deposit back without issue. Claiming it's standard for it to be withheld is being dishonest. As a precaution for people, I advise taking pictures of very nook & cranny of your new place before moving in, and taking pictures of every nook & cranny when you move out. This is what I've always done just in case refunding the deposit became a problem -- you'd have comparison proof to refute bogus damage claims.

Will you perhaps rough it a few weeks...probably so.

Longer than "a few weeks" if you shoot yourself in the foot & acquire a documented reputation for rent-skipping.

Best to research where you want to go...don't fantasize or dream...be realistic.

This is obvious.

Never let prospective employers know you are homeless...they won't hire you.

They also seldom hire people lacking a residential address. That was my husband's problem when we moved here, we were living in a hotel and that was not considered a valid address. Lucky for my husband, a manager at a store was willing to overlook that (both being military vets) and gave him the address of a vacant house in his neighborhood to use on record until we had an actual house of our own (this took over 3 months, BTW, hot market where I am since Day 1) Not that this s# should matter to employers in the first place, but it does and they don't want a transient with no home being a quit-risk on them.

Presentation is key. Truck stops have showers and campgrounds have coin showers and laundries.

Not at any of the ones (stops) I've ever been to between Lake Okeechobee & Lake Michigan, toilets & vending machines were what was available o.O

It is challenging...but if the job in your area doesn't pay a living wage...you can leave...always.

Again, much easier said than done. Especially easier for those single & without families.

Even my homeless brother, with a bike, semi-retarded...had found his way across the country to California and back. if he can do it...I believe anyone can. Just don't be a victim and decide to live life. He has been able to make a living doing bike repair and taxidermy now. No money from the government.

And you don't think that had more to do with people pitying the challenged guy than the challenged guy's gumption?? Who do you think is going to get a lift, meal or side job first, Joe Hobo, or Charlie Handicapped?

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Good news! Looks like the jokers over in Missouri finally wised up and realized that giving lower class folks more money only hurts all our situations.

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If the minimum wage was closer to say $2-$3 you bet your sweet ass we would be flooded with so many jobs our heads would spin!
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Just curious - How many hours per week do you have to work in order to make a living on $3 per hour?
How much do YOU make per hour? Want to drop down to $3 in order to MAGA?

Didn't think so.

I don't know what everyone is talking about how those opposed to ridiculous minimum wage hikes are against taking care of their fellow man...

I love it so much that I donate almost half my paycheck to charity every year!

Of course, if I didn't, men with guns would show up and make the donation for me.

If I have a responsibility to help my neighbor, then my neighbor has a responsibility to use their resources wisely ( ESPECIALLY any resources given to them ) and give 100% of their effort towards bettering their situation. The minute they show that they are irresponsible, even after being shown the correct thing to do, ANY responsibility I have for them vanishes.

I am not against giving a hand up at all, but am vehemently opposed to giving a hand out, especially when it comes out of my pocket through coercion.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

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If the minimum wage was closer to say $2-$3 you bet your sweet ass we would be flooded with so many jobs our heads would spin!
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If it was rolled out across the board and cost of living fell at the same time this would be viable.

Roll back the clock!

If the ME actually existed, then it would be nice if the thing that changed was our financial stability and economy.

Of course if the ME was real only a few of us would remember things as they are now... the rest would think that the change "had always been"

originally posted by: Nothin
What?

People still getting paid to work?

They should work for the privilege alone!

Right. Everyone should get a basic Income for living, regardless of employment status, then work for free.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

My good sir we fought for the right of representation through taxation during the revolutionary war. It is our right and duty as citizens of this great country to support our local and federal governments through taxation. As long as they provide for the general welfare of their citizens of course.

The change you speak of needs to happen in the way we pay our taxes and ultimately pay for all these politicians to play one giant game of Risk. I believe that when we fill out our tax forms for work that we should be able to choose where our money goes. Have a 10-15% flat tax for everyone. Split evenly amongst federal and state to fund basic needs like roads, defense, general education, etc..

Then everyone will be allowed to choose a minimum of 3 policies from a list of various policies they may want to fund. This way politicians will be forced to create policies that the people will want to fund. Instead of us voting these dirt bags into office just so they can do the bidding of their major donors. While we sit here and hope for the best.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Or maybe when they do work they get a small bonus like gift or gas cards.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Nothin
What?

People still getting paid to work?

They should work for the privilege alone!

Right. Everyone should get a basic Income for living, regardless of employment status, then work for free.

Yeah. That experiment is being tried in a few different places.

If it works: it may be a solid step towards a future cashless society, for our grandchildren.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Chromium51
You should never be content living on a minimum wage job, minimum wage ensures you get a decent wage as a stepping stone, if you're content with it by all means live on it. But if the minimum wage was a liveable wage there would be no striving to better yourself.

So if you made $100 an hour you wouldn't strive for more?

When you start talking about that much money there isn't a ton of room to move up. Minimum wage ensures you get paid reasonably. If you are content surviving having to work 80 hours a week then go for it. If not make yourself more marketable to employers.

originally posted by: Uberdoubter

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Good news! Looks like the jokers over in Missouri finally wised up and realized that giving lower class folks more money only hurts all our situations.

...

If the minimum wage was closer to say $2-$3 you bet your sweet ass we would be flooded with so many jobs our heads would spin!
...

Just curious - How many hours per week do you have to work in order to make a living on $3 per hour?
How much do YOU make per hour? Want to drop down to $3 in order to MAGA?

Didn't think so.

What if they have a marketable job skill that earns more money because it's in a specialized sector... unlike making a coffee, running a cash register, or flipping burgers? There are no jobs out there that require a skill that only pay you minimum wage

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Why do that when you can sit on your ass watching TV and collecting those welfare handouts and subsidized life off the work sweat of others like so many folk do?

This x1000!

It doesn't make any sense why people are bothering at all trying to work with the system when we could all just sit back, relax, do nothing, and live like wellfare kings (or queens)! I just get sick to my stomach thinking how easy it is for undeserving folk to live an upper middle class lifestyle off the sweat of my brow by doing nothing! Seriously, when we're throwing huge gobs of money at these people is it any surprise they don't want to pull themselves up by their bootstraps!?!

What an absolute load of horse s#*t!!

Show us one single person who lives an upper middle class lifestyle by doing nothing and relying on welfare.

I've known many, many people who have been on welfare at one time or another and I can definitively state that the only people I ever saw who did both, live a middle class lifestyle and capitalize off the welfare system on a regular basis, are those already middle class people who take advantage of alcoholic welfare recipients by purchasing their food stamps for less than .50 cents on the dollar and then use them to go and buy steaks for themselves.

And.....I've had more than one of those middle class, food stamp buying, "respectable," "deserving," "upstanding" citizens tell me that I too, should take advantage of the system and the downtrodden in this manner and then shake their head in disgust when I refuse to do so.

Go figure!!

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Wayfarer

The minimum wage should be abolished entirely. Let the market decide what the wage basement for each job should be. If said basement doesn't pay the bills, seek a different career.

we did, thats why they came up with the Wages and the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).

Government hands should be on regulation only, imo. oh yea, dem taxes.

originally posted by: fleabit
Average rent in Missouri for a 1 bedroom apt is around 935.00.

Do you live in Missouri? Because if you do I gotta ask where at that you think a 1 bedroom aparrment goes for $935 a month. I'm in Missouri...lived here 44 years and have NEVER seen a 1 bedroom apartment go for that unless it was in areas like Ladue or Chesterfield which you wouldnt be living in those areas if you're making min wage. I pay $950 for a really nice 3 bedroom townhouse.

originally posted by: Chromium51
When you start talking about that much money there isn't a ton of room to move up. Minimum wage ensures you get paid reasonably. If you are content surviving having to work 80 hours a week then go for it. If not make yourself more marketable to employers.

There's a lot of room to move up. $100/hour is roughly $200k per year. That's still below being a 1%'er. For that matter, it's not even enough to qualify you as wealthy since the cutoff on that is $250k per year.

The thing is too though, and it's something many fail to take into account... someone needs some degree of financial stability and the free time to invest in themselves in order to make themselves more marketable. When the economic system prevents that, people become trapped and cease to have the ability to move up.

originally posted by: Simon_Boudreaux

originally posted by: fleabit
Average rent in Missouri for a 1 bedroom apt is around 935.00.

Do you live in Missouri? Because if you do I gotta ask where at that you think a 1 bedroom aparrment goes for $935 a month. I'm in Missouri...lived here 44 years and have NEVER seen a 1 bedroom apartment go for that unless it was in areas like Ladue or Chesterfield which you wouldnt be living in those areas if you're making min wage. I pay $950 for a really nice 3 bedroom townhouse.

www.deptofnumbers.com...

The average is $763/month. Throw in utilities and you're going to approach the $900 number.

a reply to: Aazadan

That says median residential rent average. Doesn't say for one bedroom apartments. Again..if you live in an area around my part of the state(St. Louis included) and are paying that much for a one bedroom apartment While making minimum wage it's your own fault for trying to live in an area your income can't support. $500 a month is the most I've ever paid for an apartment and it was 2 bedrooms not one

Anyone who thinks that the minimum wage should be left up to the market is either a business douche, or not very bright.

If business is left to it's own, to decide what to pay employees, they just won't pay their employees at all.

Enjoy your servitude.

Stupidity like this is why I don't even care (much) any more.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Aazadan

Do me a favor, show me the constitutional or even legal basis of this ridiculous "social contract" bullcrap that has become a buzz word over the past 10 years or so.

The Constitution IS a social contract.