Your Money Is No Good Here: How Our Upside Down Flag Caused Local Business Owner to Turn Us Away!

Anonex
Unless you are in immediete danger in your home, ie: about to freeze to death, starving, or suffering life threatening injury that you require outside assistance for, (hint: affordable healthcare doesnt qualify as immediete danger) then flying the flag this way is disrespectful, and frankly, stupid.

Teams continue to play sports, people go to work and school, and quite honestly I think anyone who flys this flag should be arrested for falsely declaring an emergency, and if you really think we are in a day to day emergency, you should AT LEAST be put on a mental health risk, and not permitted to purchase firearms, explosives, or maybe even bleach for that matter.

I wouldn't do business with you either.

Frankly, I am amazed at people who display such blatant fear of living in a free society where people express themselves in ways which they may not agree with. THEY are the true mental health risk. Look in the mirror, Skippy, and see the true face of the enemy in this country.

Anonex
Unless you are in immediete danger in your home, ie: about to freeze to death, starving, or suffering life threatening injury that you require outside assistance for, (hint: affordable healthcare doesnt qualify as immediete danger) then flying the flag this way is disrespectful, and frankly, stupid.

Teams continue to play sports, people go to work and school, and quite honestly I think anyone who flys this flag should be arrested for falsely declaring an emergency, and if you really think we are in a day to day emergency, you should AT LEAST be put on a mental health risk, and not permitted to purchase firearms, explosives, or maybe even bleach for that matter.

I wouldn't do business with you either.

Perhaps people flying their flags upside down doesn't mean they're themselves in distress. Maybe they've developed something called selfless compassion, and they recognize all of the others in distress. The millions of homeless and crime caused by increasing poverty for example. The government wants you to keep the mantra, "Out of sight, out of mind." They want you to only worry about your own needs, so that everyone will be divided. It seems to have worked on you very well

FissionSurplus

Anonex
Unless you are in immediete danger in your home, ie: about to freeze to death, starving, or suffering life threatening injury that you require outside assistance for, (hint: affordable healthcare doesnt qualify as immediete danger) then flying the flag this way is disrespectful, and frankly, stupid.

Teams continue to play sports, people go to work and school, and quite honestly I think anyone who flys this flag should be arrested for falsely declaring an emergency, and if you really think we are in a day to day emergency, you should AT LEAST be put on a mental health risk, and not permitted to purchase firearms, explosives, or maybe even bleach for that matter.

I wouldn't do business with you either.

Frankly, I am amazed at people who display such blatant fear of living in a free society where people express themselves in ways which they may not agree with. THEY are the true mental health risk. Look in the mirror, Skippy, and see the true face of the enemy in this country.

I agree

reply to post by daryllyn


I never said you were upset. You are reading too much into what I said just like you accuse others of doing. I was just stating my opinion on a lot of people that do what you did and get all huffy about it. You wrote the OP. Don't get upset if it causes strong replies.

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Anonex

 

Sports thrived in Nazi Germany too! See: www.abseits-soccer.com...

Education was also crucial in Nazi Germany: www.theholocaustexplained.org...

As Far as business, well... Germany went into a depression and was facing huge numbers of unemployed BEFORE hitler came to power.... Actually, his promises are what got him elected in the first place... and yes, for a time... businesses did quite well under his policies... and unemployment was down too...

even if it was a false impression of unemployment being severely decreased.. (ya know.. kind of like our current "if you work part time you are not unemployed" theme in the United States today regardless of ability to feed your family)

Perhaps if more Germans at the time thought what Hitler was doing was outrageous and criminal instead of possibly good because they had their bread and circus, things would have gone a bit different back then for the world.

edit on 25-10-2013 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Just like a magic trick. Divert the attention one way, while the real happens somewhere else.

fenson76
reply to post by daryllyn

 

I never said you were upset. You are reading too much into what I said just like you accuse others of doing. I was just stating my opinion on a lot of people that do what you did and get all huffy about it. You wrote the OP. Don't get upset if it causes strong replies.

She didn't get "all huffy about it". What in the world are you talking about? I think the OP is doing a stellar job dealing with some of the rude people who are posting in this thread. Mostly newbies who are used to trolling and getting pissy on other sites. This site requires a higher level of posting, which the OP has mastered...and you have yet to learn.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


My point was that everyday life isn't particularly that different then it ever has been. Life goes on. There is no revolution, there is no apocalypse. Are there problems? Sure. But those problems are low wages and unemployment/underemployment and other economic issues. Contrary to the beliefs of the loud vocal minority in this country, we aren't falling apart. I've heard that we are my whole life, and guess what, we're still here.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


I have no problem with people expressing themselves. I cherish that freedom. In fact, the best part about freedom of expression, is that you have the freedom to be wrong. Just don't get mad when someone decides to use their own freedom of expression to call out the insanity, when they are finally tired of hearing about it.

Anonex
reply to post by FissionSurplus

 

I have no problem with people expressing themselves. I cherish that freedom. In fact, the best part about freedom of expression, is that you have the freedom to be wrong. Just don't get mad when someone decides to use their own freedom of expression to call out the insanity, when they are finally tired of hearing about it.

Oh brother! So you decide what is sane now? I think it is you who are not only espousing an insane view, but you are delusional enough to assume that your opinion is the only correct one. You think that nothing is wrong with this country, everything is hunky-dory, and we aren't going down the drain.

Alrighty then. As long as sports teams are playing and some people are working, everything is peaches and cream.

I find it particularly interesting that, in your original post, you wanted the OP's freedoms removed because you didn't agree with how she flew her flag. How quickly you forgot that! You cherish YOUR freedom to tell somebody else that you've decided that they should lose theirs. Awesome. Bet you don't see the hypocrisy, though. It's hard to view things properly when one's head is nestled in a tight orifice.

reply to post by Anonex



Germany is still there.

China is still there.

Zimbabwe is STILL there.

Simply saying we are still here is not a recommendation. Life is about more than simple existence.

Its about not committing treasonous acts with terrorists. Its about not printing up bills you cannot back. Its about living without forced consumerism. Its not about living in a land where your private conversations are listened to by outside entities, where there is a database that links you to everyone you have ever written a letter to and spoken to. Its not about living in fear from the police.

Its about fiscal responsibility. Its about keeping your enemies at arms length and not crawling into bed with them. Its about freedom of movement. Its about the freedom to have private conversations. Its about the freedom to not have a tyrannical government telling you what you have to purchase. Its the freedom to be free.

I do not want to live in the American Federal Empire. I want to live in America, the Land of the FREE.

I cannot be pacified by the bread and circus. I want what my forefathers died for.

If I had to guess what happened here- I would think that the guy hates the Tea Party and is a very patriotic Democrat. Maybe the guy saw the "Don't Tread on Me" snake flag and thought it was whatever other meaning you thought it was. (I am not clear myself on what this flag means, but clearly it meant something bad to him.) He saw the upside down flag and thought you hated America. He is from a very small town, and many people from very small towns are patriotic. When asked if he knew what it meant, he said "yes" to avoid "getting into it" with you. Heck, maybe he was just looking for a reason to back out of the deal after he saw the truck, and didn't want to say so. Whatever the reason, it is his right to back out if he wants to.

OpinionatedB
For all those who are against those people who are flying our nations flag upside down I have something to say.

My fathers time was one where people were burning flags and spitting on soldiers. He raised me better than all that.. He was a soldier.

That said, I used to be a Republican. Bush and his illegal policies and wars put a final death knell on me ever supporting the republican party again...

When Obama came around I was hopeful that his promises may come to fruition... hopefull that the wars that were wrong would end, hopeful that all this Patriot Act business would be put to an end... etc etc.

I did vote for Obama the first time... (sorry...but that is true) Yet now... I am finding my mother was right (she was quite against Obama from the git go! ) Obama did not abolish the patriot act he gave more rights to the government. Obama did not stop illegal wars he gave us involvement in more. Obama not only gave us more involvement in wars but he and all of congress started lying and giving aid to our enemies...

On top of that they just recently wiped their butts with the constitution my forefathers fought for when they made it a law that we have to purchase a product we cannot use, and if we do not make this purchase they will fine us and if we dont pay that they can put liens on our property...

On top of that they bailed out businesses that did not have enough good business sense to do a good business in the first place and destroyed us all economically in the process...

There is more... but that is enough to say there are so many problems in America and with our politicians these days that I am for none of them...

And no, the "Tea Party" May have been decent before it was taken over the the GOP, who are no better than Obama... I am NOT a tea partier... in other words...

This country is so screwed its unreal... and you people think its all going to be ok? It doesnt matter who the hell we vote for they are all in this together and not one of them has freedom and Americans at heart!

I say fly the flag upside down... because until we get rid of every single person right now who is an elected official we will never dig out of the hole we find ourselves in and we will never see freedom again!

I think you have gone a bit over the top, but most of what you have to say falls in line with mainstream America. I don't think there is a need to fly the flag upside down, I am a vet, but I do think the middle needs to start making some noise.

WWJFKD
"It has been scientifically proven that the less you know, the more you think you know."
nuff said

Funny how this (of course) also applies the other way around.

You know NOTHING about "car guy" and his view. All I know is that OP and numerous who echo-ed OP's view are crying "Impeach Obama" because they BELIEVE that "the government" and in particular Obama is the main reason that the country is where it is now.

So I must assume that in the OP's mind and in most other radical anti-liberal's mind Obama was the one personally going from company to company laying off people, telling CEOs to hire Indians insted and to refuse to pay the few remaining employees health-care (THE MAIN REASON THAT OBAMACARE HAD TO BE INVENTED).

I wish I had a simpleton mindset like this that I could sum up my political view with "Impeach Obama" and call anyone else who disagrees "uninformed", like the OP did.

Maybe the flag-flying OP and the others should sit down and make a list, writing down exactly what OBAMA did which is the reason for the economic collapse today. I really, really would like to see that list. I might actually be the first one to agree with YOU guys the moment I see some points on the list which are accurate where I can agree that it was in-fact Obama being the reason for the economic collapse and hardships of many Americans. Come on, educate me/us! I beg you.

Krakatoa
With all due respect, I would like to address your comment as individual points below...

MrFGB
reply to post by daryllyn

 

Many veterans have close friends that were killed and many of us associate disrespect of our flag as a disrespect of our fallen comrades. I get the "Distressed Flag" comment, but rightly or wrongly you were asking for it. You are lucky it wasn't worse. Our flag is draped over coffins and presented to the loved ones of the fallen at the funeral. Think of someone else when you exercise your freedoms that someone else died for.

You said, "You are lucky it wasn't worse"

So now freedom of expression is justification for violence in your mind?

You said, "Our flag is draped over coffins and presented to the loved ones of the fallen at the funeral."

Yes, OUR flag....Americans, ALL of us....including the OP here. Whether id dons a fallen soldiers casket is irrelevant IMO (a flag which I personally hanging in my house in memory of my father BTW).

You said, "Think of someone else when you exercise your freedoms that someone else died for."

So, because someone (many) brave and respected people died in order for the OP to have that freedom of speech, you are advocating curtailing her freedom of speech? Isn't that against all that they themselves fought and died for, that FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Freedom of speech protects the speech you do not agree with, regardless of it's content (within the framework of the law that is).

Did I get your position correct here?

No the OP was whining because someone refused to do business with her because of her beliefs, or her other half. I am a vet, no one is denying her right to freedom of speech, they are angry because she didn't realize there might be consequences.

reply to post by BubbaJoe


A bit over the top? That is your opinion and you have a right to it, but I dont think so, not considering everything... NDAA, Patriot Act, Loss of freedom of movement, forced consumerism, Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria and Yemen now too, Police Brutality and Militarization of the Police force, Homeland Security...the list can go on for days now.... and Its all adding up to a very very very bad thing...

The middle needs to make some noise you say? I say they are! They have begun flying their flags upside down!

burdman30ott6

MrFGB
Many veterans have close friends that were killed and many of us associate disrespect of our flag as a disrespect of our fallen comrades. I get the "Distressed Flag" comment, but rightly or wrongly you were asking for it. You are lucky it wasn't worse. Our flag is draped over coffins and presented to the loved ones of the fallen at the funeral. Think of someone else when you exercise your freedoms that someone else died for.

Did those veterans fight for the flag and the symbolic iconography of the USA or for the Constitution and the clearly stated rights and ideals heralded within it's words? I'd like to think my ancestors were fighting for something a bit more tangible than strips of brightly colored cloth sewn together. This isn't the board game Risk where the only difference between the participants is what color their country represents... and if it is then we are damned fools for fighting those wars over little more than nationalistic bullcrap.

No disrespect of your service intended whatsoever, just looking for a bit of clarification on the point. There are a lot of things I'd fight for, a flag (or for that matter any politician's pride) is not among them.

My first question would be how long have your ancestors been in North America, some of mine since 1621, have lost family on both sides of every conflict up to Korea. Most wars are fought over Nationalistic Bullcrap, and have been since the beginning of time. There is a lot of things I would fight for too, and in fact I served for 7 years. Your post is full of bull that the right wing loves to spew, especially from those that have never served.

daryllyn

MrFGB
reply to post by daryllyn

 

Many veterans have close friends that were killed and many of us associate disrespect of our flag as a disrespect of our fallen comrades. I get the "Distressed Flag" comment, but rightly or wrongly you were asking for it. You are lucky it wasn't worse. Our flag is draped over coffins and presented to the loved ones of the fallen at the funeral. Think of someone else when you exercise your freedoms that someone else died for.

Maybe no one should say Merry Christmas anymore, because the Muslims might get offended.

While are at it... maybe we shouldn't celebrate Halloween anymore because, the JWs might get their feelings hurt if a kid knocks on their door asking for candy during trick or treat.

Maybe we shouldn't let straight people get married so as not to offend members of the LGBT community who cannot legally marry.

Maybe we shouldn't have any more babies so we don't upset the infertile.

Maybe we just shouldn't do or say anything anymore, so we don't inadvertently upset someone or offend anyone's sensibilities.

I don't mean any disrespect, but, do you see the problem with limiting our own freedom of expression so as not to upset someone else?

I feel that this notion of trying to always be politically correct, and always walking on eggshells for the easily offended, is a huge problem in this nation.

I have the right to express myself. You have the right to not agree or be offended. You don't, however, have the right to dictate how I should personally use that right, based on your associations and feelings about whatever it is that I'm expressing.

I have a deep respect for our military, past and present, for all they have done for us. I have many family members that are either currently serving or have served in the past. I apologize if you have taken offense to what I have said, but I will not apologize for exercising my God given rights.

You started this post because you offended someone who decided they didn't want to do business with you. Nothing politically correct here, you were whining.

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

― Hillary Rodham Clinton

The OP disagreed with this administration.
The OP disagreed with how the country is being run.

I applaud the OP and all others who choose to express their opinion freely.

Well done.

reply to post by beezzer


Did you run away from home Sir?

OpinionatedB
reply to post by beezzer

 

Did you run away from home Sir?

Ma'am, with all due respect, I am somewhat ashamed and disgusted with the country of The United States.

Until the time that the country changes, or I grow weary of this annoying protest, or some Canadians beat me up, I will wear the Canadian Flag proudly.