Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

Mikeultra

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

A contrail is NOT a cirrus cloud!
Now answer my question about the 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo!

A contrail IS a cirrus cloud - just one made by an aircraft, rather than occurring naturally. It's a high level cloud made up of ice particles. You may not think it should be thus classified, but meteorologists beg to differ - and I'm afraid they have the say, not you

btw, we all know that normal contrails can persist and spread out to cover the sky. Why would chemtrails do this?

Over to you

Mikeultra
Nobody has any comments about photo #3 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm eastern. I'll call that my "can of worms photo."

Without any data to go on, my assessment of that would be ;

A two contrails, left by planes several miles apart, possibly at different altitudes, but one persisting and one not because of the conditions they are flying through.

B. two contrails, left by planes several miles apart, possibly at different altitudes, but one persisting and one not because of the different engine types and power ratings being used.

Before I started to think chemtrail I would need a reason.

waynos
reply to post by waynos

 

The thing with that mike is that if the conditions that allow a contrail to persist are present for 400 miles, then the contrail will be 400 miles long. If those conditions also have gaps in them where contrails cannot persist, shortly after the plane has gone the contrail will show those gaps. It's not related to the plane itself doing anything different and that's where claims of photos of chemtrails fall down.

The pics I post were taken with a Canon EOS 60D with a Tamron 70-300mm stabilised zoom lens, the lens is the main thing and a body like the 1100d which is much cheaper would do just as good. If you don't want to go into DSLR territory I'd recommend the Canon SX50, it has the longest zoom you can currently get on a camera and shoots in RAW format which allows you to capture more detail and produce better crops. Please also search online for reviews of this camera from other sources.

OK, I'll consider your explanation, but I'm still perplexed by seeing similar aircraft flying through the same airspace at the same time, one leaving a contrail while the other leaves a chem-trail. Thanks for the camera info. What do you have to say about my 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo near the top of this page?

reply to post by waynos

Not that photo, this one below.

What is that at 2:00 o'clock from the aircraft?

AndyMayhew

Mikeultra

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

A contrail is NOT a cirrus cloud!
Now answer my question about the 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo!

A contrail IS a cirrus cloud - just one made by an aircraft, rather than occurring naturally. It's a high level cloud made up of ice particles. You may not think it should be thus classified, but meteorologists beg to differ - and I'm afraid they have the say, not you

btw, we all know that normal contrails can persist and spread out to cover the sky. Why would chemtrails do this?

Over to you

Is a meteorologist the same as a tv weatherman? lol, I have no respect for them. Who is "we" that you make reference to? Some alliance? To answer your question, one possible answer is global dimming.
"It is thought that global dimming is probably due to the increased presence of aerosol particles in the atmosphere caused by human action.[2] Aerosols and other particulates absorb solar energy and reflect sunlight back into space. The pollutants can also become nuclei for cloud droplets. Water droplets in clouds coalesce around the particles.[3] Increased pollution causes more particulates and thereby creates clouds consisting of a greater number of smaller droplets (that is, the same amount of water is spread over more droplets). The smaller droplets make clouds more reflective, so that more incoming sunlight is reflected back into space and less reaches the Earth's surface. In models, these smaller droplets also decrease rainfall.[4]"
en.wikipedia.org...

...increased presence of aerosol particles in the atmosphere caused by human action. All signs point to a chem-trail campaign being waged by the global warming fanatics.

Mikeultra
reply to post by waynos

 

Not that photo, this one below.

What is that at 2:00 o'clock from the aircraft?

It could be another plane flying much higher than the other plane, but frankly I think it is too small for that.

It also could be the planet Venus, which is bright enough at the moment to be seen in the daytime sky -- if you know exactly where to look, and especially if you are viewing it with some sort of magnification (such as through a telephoto camera lens, which this image appears to be).

I'm not saying it is in fact Venus, but it could be. It could also be other things. Whatever it is, I'm not sure what it has to do with the contrail/chemtrail debate. can you please indicate why you feel it is significant to this debate?



By the way, here is information about the recent opportunity to view Venus in daylight, due to its current brightness:

earthsky.org...

Below is a picture of Venus (from my link above) as seen on September 8th in the blue daytime sky (one day after the photo in question). The Moon in this case is being used as a waypoint to be able to find the exact location of venus, because it is relatively hard to find unless you are looking at it. The Moon would have been in a different location the day prior 9the day of the photo you are referencing)

reply to post by Mikeultra


It's impossible to say, does the uncompressed image show more detail? It could be a bird, but without a better resolution it could be almost anything.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Is a meteorologist the same as a tv weatherman? lol,

according to Scott Stevens former employers it is.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Is a meteorologist the same as a tv weatherman?

Not if we are talking about Scott Stephens...

Damn a little too late...

reply to post by waynos

according to Scott Stevens former employers it is.

Actually didn't they can him because he said he was a meteorologist and they found out he wasn't?

Either way he still can't fool the rest of us.

reply to post by Mikeultra

I'm still perplexed by seeing similar aircraft flying through the same airspace at the same time

That would be what's technically called a collision my friend

But seriously, aircraft cant be in close proximity to each other (as seen from the ground) without also being separated by at least 1000ft vertically. You could check this right now on FR 24 by looking at the data for aircraft which look to be closely 'in formation'. A lot can change in 1000ft.

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Yeah that's what I changed it for, they thought they hired a meteorologist to present the weather and found out they hadn't.

If Chemtrails were a government funded campaign with nefarious intent wouldn't the money come from black budget sources?

waynos
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

It's impossible to say, does the uncompressed image show more detail? It could be a bird, but without a better resolution it could be almost anything.

I don't know what uncompressed image means. I don't think that I cropped the photo before uploading on to the ATS photo library. I have to check my Picasa3 files. It's not a bird! It's higher than the aircraft. I believe it's in hot pursuit of the aircraft.

reply to post by LazyGuy


I suppose so. If that were true.

reply to post by Mikeultra


How can you tell if the object is higher? That would be almost impossible wouldn't it without something to give perspective rather than a blue sky? (Although it could ve Venus, that makes sense).

What are your thoughts on what it might be?

When you upload an image it has to be resized to fit the screen, not cropped, but compressed, which loses detail. all the pictures I post on ATS are only 15% of their original size, this is due to the fixed width of the forum ( it used to get messed up by large images back in the day). When viewed on a full size monitor they look amazing.

reply to post by Mikeultra

It's not a bird! It's higher than the aircraft. I believe it's in hot pursuit of the aircraft.

It may not be a bird as it could be an insect, pollen or something closer to the camera and with the way it was caught in the pic it could look as though it is farther away than the plane.

I am not saying that is what it is, but it could be a possibility just as chemtrails could be a possibility.

reply to post by Mikeultra

I believe it's in hot pursuit of the aircraft.

You were doing good til this...

I will say I do applaude your tenacity..

This may show an uncompressed version of the unknown craft.
oi39.tinypic.com...
It will after this link opens, right click on the image, and open in another tab.

Check out the similar reflections from the sun on the front of the aircraft, and on the front of the unknown object/craft.

I do have a theory on a possible connection.

LazyGuy
If Chemtrails were a government funded campaign with nefarious intent wouldn't the money come from black budget sources?

It's funny -- some people are saying that they still see persistent trails (what they call chemtrails) during the shutdown, so that indicates that the alleged "sprayers" are not affected by the shutdown. Other people have say their skies are clear, that means the "sprayers" WERE affected by the shutdown.

I'm not sure which of these conflicting observations/claims to believe (if I should believe either).

Personally where I live, we have had both conditions -- long stretches of blue sky days intermixed with a couple of days here and there with persistent contrails. But I'm not reading anything into that, considering that is what I typically see where I live -- even when the government is not shut down.