Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

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I could ask you the same question since the patent in question for the last time is not HAARP. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

You're jumping to that conclusion and you're evading my other points as well. If you're going to seriously sit on the other side of the screen and complain at me for not supplying evidence, you're not in any position to talk. You have not provided anything to soundproof that theory.

How do you know "atmospheric particles" are chemtrails? We've already shown you what an interaction with the ionosphere looks like, perhaps you missed that part. This is becoming an argument over a chemtrailers spilled milk.

The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

reply to post by Mikeultra


But that's not what you said earlier either. You said a bubble brings the particles up to the ionosphere and causes interaction. Which argument is it?

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

I could ask you the same question since the patent in question for the last time is not HAARP. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

You think it's actually going to say HAARP across the top of the patent? HAARP is indeed this;Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere.

I'm 50 by the way. Would you like a link to read some info about HAARP? I'd be happy to educate you all about it.

reply to post by Mikeultra


So nice to see that age has everything to do with knowledge to you.
I am well versed in what HAARP is, but I am also well versed in what the freaked out conspiracy theorists of ATS think that HAARP is. So please, spare me the loads of links of bad research and terrible story telling. Do I think it would say HAARP over the top of it? Considering the fact that HAARP is funded by the federal government and isn't a black project of any variety (the records on it are quite well public)...yes. If not that, at least a paper trail. But sadly for your argument, there is no paper trail. Only assumptions.

Shugo
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So nice to see that age has everything to do with knowledge to you.
I am well versed in what HAARP is, but I am also well versed in what the freaked out conspiracy theorists of ATS think that HAARP is. So please, spare me the loads of links of bad research and terrible story telling. Do I think it would say HAARP over the top of it? Considering the fact that HAARP is funded by the federal government and isn't a black project of any variety (the records on it are quite well public)...yes. If not that, at least a paper trail. But sadly for your argument, there is no paper trail. Only assumptions.

I'll take that as a NO! And no offense taken at your inference. Ignorance is bliss they say. I asked your age because you stated doubt a few posts back whether HAARP was ever built. Since I know it is, I assumed you're young and ... well I won't say it. You seem to have a "my way or the highway" train of thought. Unwilling to have an open mind on a subject you didn't realize exists and refuse any offer to learn new knowledge. I tried.

Mikeultra
I asked your age because you stated doubt a few posts back whether HAARP was ever built.

No, I asked whether the project you were linking to ever existed which the answer is still no.

Since I know it is, I assumed you're young and ... well I won't say it.

How mature of you.

You seem to have a "my way or the highway" train of thought. Unwilling to have an open mind on a subject you didn't realize exists and refuse any offer to learn new knowledge. I tried.

I suppose it's okay for you to have the same attitude since you know so much more than I and all. Really, your open mindness is just explosive and mesmerizing. Is this really what all chemtrailers do when they're caught without evidence to support their claims other than referring to other conspiracy theories?

Well this doesn't sound good!

"HAARP was shut down in early May 2013, awaiting a change between contractors who operate the facility. According to HAARP program manager James Keeney, "Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is expected on site as a client to finish up some research in fall 2013 and winter 2014."[29][30] The temporary shutdown was described as being due to "a contractor regime change." The Alaska Native corporation Ahtna, Incorporated is reportedly in talks to take over the facility administration contract from Marsh Creek, LLC.[31]"
en.wikipedia.org...

DARPA is taking over! I guess the testing is complete, they're ready to rock n' roll now!

"contractor regime change" ? that sounds ominous!

reply to post by Shugo

Short memory span too? I just showed you the links between chem-trails and HAARP. But you don't believe HAARP has been built! Because you know so, or is it just because you said it is so?

reply to post by Mikeultra


...again, I did not say HAARP had not been built, I said a facility as described in your patents URL had not been built, why is that so difficult for you to understand, or are you baiting?

Are you done with your foolish finger pointing and bantering? Can we please get on with an actual discussion with some real proof now? This has been 17 pages of utter disappointment so far.

reply to post by Shugo


HAARP doesn't exist, but they were able to do this anyway, despite the deniers refusal to aknowledge reality.

NRL Scientists Produce Densest Artificial Ionospheric Plasma Clouds Using HAARP - See more at: www.nrl.navy.mil...

reply to post by Mikeultra


From your link:

These glow discharges in the upper atmosphere were generated as a part of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) sponsored Basic Research on Ionospheric Characteristics and Effects (BRIOCHE) campaign to explore ionospheric phenomena and its impact on communications and space weather.

Using the 3.6-megawatt high-frequency (HF) HAARP transmitter, the plasma clouds, or balls of plasma, are being studied for use as artificial mirrors at altitudes 50 kilometers below the natural ionosphere and are to be used for reflection of HF radar and communications signals.

Notice how there is also no mention of spraying of chemicals in the upper atmosphere? Notice how they don't mention aircraft? Notice how absolutely pointless your argument over this link is?

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

...again, I did not say HAARP had not been built, I said a facility as described in your patents URL had not been built, why is that so difficult for you to understand, or are you baiting?

Are you done with your foolish finger pointing and bantering? Can we please get on with an actual discussion with some real proof now? This has been 17 pages of utter disappointment so far.

edit on 12.10.2013 by Shugo because: (no reason given)

The facility described in that patent is HAARP, and it has been built. Baiting is not what I am doing, I'm trying to have a discussion is all. You seem determined to quash any evidence I present to you. That's on you. Do you know what DARPA is?

reply to post by Mikeultra


But you have no evidence to support the claim that the facility described in the article is HAARP. Do you know what HAARP really is? Do you know what DARPA is? You seem to have a really warped perspective of what reality and facts are if all you can do is link me to either conspiracy theory websites or sites that specify a patent that has no confirmation of its existence and a site that's discussing the reflectivity of radar and radio waves.

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

...again, I did not say HAARP had not been built, I said a facility as described in your patents URL had not been built, why is that so difficult for you to understand, or are you baiting?

Are you done with your foolish finger pointing and bantering? Can we please get on with an actual discussion with some real proof now? This has been 17 pages of utter disappointment so far.

edit on 12.10.2013 by Shugo because: (no reason given)

17 pages of disappointment? You can't be serious! You're still trying discredit all that I have shown you!

reply to post by Mikeultra


What you've shown has no credit to begin with. You're asking people to read something that isn't in writing on a patent website and linking it to a project which you have no evidence to support is the same. That's not a discussion. That's not a source. It's mushing up materials that YOU think are similar and putting them together in your own personal way.

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

But you have no evidence to support the claim that the facility described in the article is HAARP. Do you know what HAARP really is? Do you know what DARPA is? You seem to have a really warped perspective of what reality and facts are if all you can do is link me to either conspiracy theory websites or sites that specify a patent that has no confirmation of its existence and a site that's discussing the reflectivity of radar and radio waves.

That's not all they are doing with HAARP. This might really shock you, but HAARP is based on Nicola Tesla's ideas. They have created the worst weapon imaginable from Tesla's idea of free energy! They can control weather and they can create earthquakes! That 2011 Japan quake was HAARP! DARPA isn't some friendly government science department. They are the heavy duty spooks of this country! They have a heavy presence on the Virginia Tech campus, as does the CIA.

Shugo
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What you've shown has no credit to begin with. You're asking people to read something that isn't in writing on a patent website and linking it to a project which you have no evidence to support is the same. That's not a discussion. That's not a source. It's mushing up materials that YOU think are similar and putting them together in your own personal way.

Here I will try to un-mush this for you. The following text is from the patent. In it you will see the location discussed for building HAARP is in a very detailed area of Alaska. HAARP has been built in Gakona, AK.

"Transmitter 16 is powered by power generator means 17 which is preferably comprised of one or more large, commercial electrical generators. Some embodiments of the present invention require large amounts of power, e.g., up to 10.sup.9 to 10.sup.11 watts, in continuous wave or pulsed power. Generation of the needed power is within the state of the art. Although the electrical generators necessary for the practice of the invention can be powered in any known manner, for example, by nuclear reactors, hydroelectric facilities, hydrocarbon fuels, and the like, this invention, because of its very large power requirement in certain applications, is particularly adapted for use with certain types of fuel sources which naturally occur at strategic geographical locations around the earth. For example, large reserves of hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas) exist in Alaska and Canada. In northern Alaska, particularly the North Slope region, large reserves are currently readily available. Alaska and northern Canada also are ideally located geographically as to magnetic latitudes. Alaska provides easy access to magnetic field lines that are especially suited to the practice of this invention, since many field lines which extend to desirable altitudes for this invention intersect the earth in Alaska. Thus, in Alaska, there is a unique combination of large, accessible fuel sources at desirable field line intersections. Further, a particularly desirable fuel source for the generation of very large amounts of electricity is present in Alaska in abundance, this source being natural gas. The presence of very large amounts of clean-burning natural gas in Alaskan latitudes, particularly on the North Slope, and the availability of magnetohydrodynamic (MHD), gas turbine, fuel cell, electrogasdynamic (EGD) electric generators which operate very efficiently with natural gas provide an ideal power source for the unprecedented power requirements of certain of the applications of this invention. For a more detailed discussion of the various means for generating electricity from hydrocarbon fuels, see "Electrical Aspects of Combustion", Lawton and Weinberg, Clarendon Press, 1969. For example, it is possible to generate the electricity directly at the high frequency needed to drive the antenna system. To do this, typically the velocity of flow of the combustion gases (v), past magnetic field perturbation of dimension d (in the case of MHD), follow the rule:

where f is the frequency at which electricity is generated. Thus, if v=1.78.times.10.sup.6 cm/sec and d=1 cm then electricity would be generated at a frequency of 1.78 mHz.

Put another way, in Alaska, the right type of fuel (natural gas) is naturally present in large amounts and at just the right magnetic latitudes for the most efficient practice of this invention, a truly unique combination of circumstances. Desirable magnetic latitudes for the practice of this invention interest the earth's surface both northerly and southerly of the equator, particularly desirable latitudes being those, both northerly and southerly, which correspond in magnitude with the magnetic latitudes that encompass Alaska."
www.patents.com...

HAARP Gakona, AK

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

But you have no evidence to support the claim that the facility described in the article is HAARP. Do you know what HAARP really is? Do you know what DARPA is? You seem to have a really warped perspective of what reality and facts are if all you can do is link me to either conspiracy theory websites or sites that specify a patent that has no confirmation of its existence and a site that's discussing the reflectivity of radar and radio waves.

I have not linked you to one conspiracy website. Not one! You're already on one, you do know that don't you?
Yes I know what HAARP really is, DARPA too. Where did you go? Fall asleep? Come back tomorrow, I'll teach some more!