Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

Mikeultra

Shugo
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The only thing manipulated about it...at least according to the author is the red hue and the depth of the blue sky behind it. My point being was that someone who has not spent time observing the sky can assume that anything they haven't seen before is an anomaly. In fact, it isn't. The phenomena depicted in the photo is real, the contrails are real, the cloud formation is real, the hues are not. Here's the same phenomena without the manipulation:



It's not abnormal, and its not caused by "chemtrails" or contrails.

Well I like this one better! And I have witnessed stuff like that too. I'm saving that one, the other one I threw out.
I consider the real photo to contain "suspected chem-trail residue."

This is very common amongst the chemtrail believers, the belief that colours like this must be due to chemicals. When pressed though the only reason for thinking this turns out to be an association with the rainbow colours seen on oil. Yet they must also have seen the same sort of colours in rainbows and in the spray from waterfalls, fountains and garden hoses etc but they never make that connection.

Of course the major flaw with this is the colours seen on oil are produced in a completely different way to the colours produced by light interacting with water or ice but they've never stopped to find out why you see rainbow colours on oil.

Mikeultra

The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

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I am just as old as you and that statement above would be in the top 10 pieces of BS ever stated on here.

Lenses created by chemtrails how exactly would that work?

Just me again ...Well there is a nice clear blue sky in the North East again ...Lots of flight's but they only have the short contrail .I still haven't seen any of the longer chemtrails ...There were a few of those wispy clouds yesterday .I notice that there were 2 M class flares so maybe our sun is waking up .If not its only going to get colder ...peace

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What do you believe the difference to be between a longer chemtrail and a longer contrail, why do you also use the word contrail when talking of short trails but not otherwise?

wmd_2008

Mikeultra

The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

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I am just as old as you and that statement above would be in the top 10 pieces of BS ever stated on here.

Lenses created by chemtrails how exactly would that work?

Hi,
Well thanks, I take that as compliment! Do I get extra points or anything? Before I try to answer your question, I must give my daily evaluation on chem-trail activity in Region II (New Jersey) on day 13 of the shutdown and some other more urgent information.

10/13/3013 - 9:33 am - 55 degrees F
No chem-trails at this time.

Now I'd like go back to 09/07/2013 and show 2 very interesting photos related to chem-trails and the last of them will open up an entirely new can of worms!


09/07/2013 - 2:06 pm - 80 degrees F
Photo taken at Spruce Run Reservoir
Obviously this is chem-trails.


09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm - 80 degrees F
Photo taken at Spruce Run Reservoir
Download this photo! Then zoom in to the central area of the photo. At approximately the 2:00 o'clock position from the aircraft, what is THAT! Compare the reflection of the sun on the front of the aircraft, with the reflection off the front of that unidentified flying object!

Mikeultra

wmd_2008

Mikeultra

The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

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I am just as old as you and that statement above would be in the top 10 pieces of BS ever stated on here.

Lenses created by chemtrails how exactly would that work?

Photo taken at Spruce Run Reservoir
Obviously this is chem-trails.

Why obviously?

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Remember that thread of mine I pointed out a few days ago Mike?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

waynos

Another sighting that excites interest is the odd looking trail with ‘fronds’ hanging down. This actually gets mentioned in a few different claims. That it is a sign of the chemicals descending from a chemtrail is but one of them. Another popular claim is that it is a sign of a PDW engine such as would power the mythical Aurora aircraft.

Anyone who has been here a while will instantly recognise this as just such a trail. The way this was left, however, was no super secret PDW powered hypersonic chemtrailer. It was a City Jet Avro RJ85, registration EI-RJE, travelling from Paris to Newcastle at 28,000ft and 449 mph, in Air France colours and the odd looking trail was how it looked 12 minutes after the plane had passed.

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So why do you say "obviously a chemtrail?" What left the one in your photo?

mrthumpy

Mikeultra

wmd_2008

Mikeultra

The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

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I am just as old as you and that statement above would be in the top 10 pieces of BS ever stated on here.

Lenses created by chemtrails how exactly would that work?

Photo taken at Spruce Run Reservoir
Obviously this is chem-trails.

Why obviously?

I think you're referring to the middle photo, correct? If so that photo was taken by using the digital zoom. The trail was way too long to be a normal contrail. Also the signature curling effect of the unknown particulate matter can be seen in the wake of the chem-tanker. I have a similar photo of an earlier chem-tanker showing how long the chem-trail is compared to a nearby aircraft with no chem-trail. Shown below.

09/07/2013 - 2:06 pm - 80 degrees F
Taken at Spruce Run Reservoir

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Hi waynos,
Fronds you say? I am unfamiliar with that term. I will do some investigating. See the previous photo in my last post, that causes my suspicions. My "fronds" photo was taken before I had knowledge of Flightradar24. So I can only say the aircraft had 2 engines, possibly a Boeing 767. I'm partial to Boeing vs. Airbus, lol.

reply to post by Mikeultra


But does my post above not suggest your assumption about that visible pattern may not be quite right? Could you also define 'too long for a contrail'?

I wanted to ask why the pattern would lead you to assume it was a sign of it being a chemtrail?

waynos
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But does my post above not suggest your assumption about that visible pattern may not be quite right? Could you also define 'too long for a contrail'?

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Yes, I may be wrong. Too long in my opinion is best demonstrated by that last photo I posted. By the way, what type of camera do you have?

waynos
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But does my post above not suggest your assumption about that visible pattern may not be quite right? Could you also define 'too long for a contrail'?

I wanted to ask why the pattern would lead you to assume it was a sign of it being a chemtrail?

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I know that it is caused by vortices, but the persistently long nature of the chemtrail that is what mainly concerns me.en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Mikeultra


But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

Nobody has any comments about photo #3 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm eastern. I'll call that my "can of worms photo."

Zaphod58
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But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

Look at my last posted photo. I can't understand why 2 planes flying in the same area of the sky are leaving much different trails. You should look at my 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo a few posts back. Can you answer my questions about that photo. I'd like more answers from you!

reply to post by Mikeultra


You mean the plane leaving a contrail where it's obvious contrails can persist, because there is already cloud cover?

But please, answer my previous questions.

Zaphod58
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But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

A contrail is NOT a cirrus cloud!
Now answer my question about the 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo!

reply to post by Mikeultra


You do realize that the atmosphere is dynamic right? I've seen two planes flying a lot closer than that have a similar result. It's obvious that persistent trails can form, because you have cloud cover. It could be that one is a newer plane, that will leave a longer contrail (without being able to see them closer you can't tell), or more likely, one is flying through a more humid area than the other one is.

Zaphod58
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You do realize that the atmosphere is dynamic right? I've seen two planes flying a lot closer than that have a similar result. It's obvious that persistent trails can form, because you have cloud cover. It could be that one is a newer plane, that will leave a longer contrail (without being able to see them closer you can't tell), or more likely, one is flying through a more humid area than the other one is.

You seem to be avoiding my question about the 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo that is in this post...www.abovetopsecret.com...

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The thing with that mike is that if the conditions that allow a contrail to persist are present for 400 miles, then the contrail will be 400 miles long. If those conditions also have gaps in them where contrails cannot persist, shortly after the plane has gone the contrail will show those gaps. It's not related to the plane itself doing anything different and that's where claims of photos of chemtrails fall down.

The pics I post were taken with a Canon EOS 60D with a Tamron 70-300mm stabilised zoom lens, the lens is the main thing and a body like the 1100d which is much cheaper would do just as good. If you don't want to go into DSLR territory I'd recommend the Canon SX50, it has the longest zoom you can currently get on a camera and shoots in RAW format which allows you to capture more detail and produce better crops. Please also search online for reviews of this camera from other sources.