Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

Mikeultra

waynos
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They are neat photos Mike, I like them a lot, but you do puzzle me with the way you draw conclusions from them. Still, keep on searching pal, that's all anyone can do.

Well I'm not sure why I'm convinced "they" are up to something. I'll give the titles to 4 books I have read that could be influencing my beliefs as far as trusting the government goes.

1.Behold a Pale Horse - William Cooper
2.HAARP The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy - Jerry E. Smith
3.Angels Don't Play This HAARP - Dr. Nick Begich
4.A Terrible Mistake - H.P. Albarelli Jr.

I connect the dots and come to my conclusions.

You reminded me there of myself many years ago when I was completely hooked by a book on aliens by Eric Von Daniken (I think that's his last name, it was decades ago). The claims in the book seemed utterly convincing to me and I was sold. Then I decided to learn for myself and I realised the book was just what HE thought and there was nothing's factual to support it, despite his adamant claims there was. His opinion was no more valid than anyone making an interpretation. Maybe that experience is why I am more careful now and am not so easily convinced. Especially when physical evidence directly contradicts claims that are made.

I find it ironic when my decisions to check facts and learn a bit about who is making claims is often mocked on here as me being a unthinking sheep that believes and accepts the govt line trustingly. Far from it, unlike a lot of pro Chemtrailers on here I just don't swallow any old moonshine just because it tells me what I want to hear.

For anyone who thinks I am a govt shill or trust what they tell me implicitly, just google about my location, the years 1984-85 and strike and see what comes up. This was my history.

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Mike, that patent does not match up with the specs of HAARP. It talks about something vastly more powerful. What is it that makes you so certain that this is HAARP today and not instead a proposal for either a future development or a proposal that was toned down before being built?

Given the depth of detail contained within the patent, if it were necessary to use aircraft spraying chemtrails as a function of its operation, do you not think it would be mentioned?

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The lenses or focusing devices created by chem-trails would be at the altitudes aircraft utilize. The heater beam from HAARP goes up to the ionosphere, bounces back down to the lenses or focusing devices at lower altitudes. I believe it's a system of relays to increase range around the curvature of the Earth.

And what keeps these focusing devices in place as the winds at that altitude are always moving?

I also like how you have derailed this thread to discuss HAARP, so you couldn't find enough on chemtrails alone you had to add another conspiracy to it?

And believe me this isn't the first time someone has tried to take the plunge into the HAARP/chemtrail deep end of the pool without a lifeguard, so unless you can breath underwater I suggest hanging out in the shallow end so you don't drown under your own false knowledge.

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"...constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles"
www.patents.com...

Well I have to ask you a couple of very simple questions....

If chemtrails and HAARP are doing these nefarious things that are so secret nobody knows about them then why would the government use patents that can be found so easily?

Wouldn't it be easier to develop such technology and keep it from becoming public and not publish the patents?

I mean even in your own words they Kept Area 51 a secret why not this technology?

Note:

The back and forth insults over the last two pages are quite unnecessary and do not help the discussion in any way and actually lower any expectation of learning anything.

Please stick to the topic itself and leave out the personal attacks.

It's day 12 since the shutdown began, and this morning the sky over N.J. is free from chem-trails... for now. Air traffic is a bit slow Saturday mornings. Photos taken 10/12/2013 9:00 am Eastern, temperature is 60F.

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There's a high pressure system near New York so you shouldn't see many, even though there's a frontal system in the area. Early in the week you'll probably see a lot of persistent contrails however. There's a frontal system moving across the Midwest that's over the Illinois area now. Then late in the week the system that's coming ashore in the Pacific will reach you so you should see some more.

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The contrails that I saw here last night - the pilots must have not gotten the memo then, that must be it.
Do you look at weather forecasts or models on any daily basis or do you just listen to what accuweather says and go on about with your day?



So is THIS a cloud anomaly in your book due to the obvious contrails in the photo?

we are all going to die !! run quick!!


got to say thanks for making me giggle guys serious stuff.

Shugo
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The contrails that I saw here last night - the pilots must have not gotten the memo then, that must be it.
Do you look at weather forecasts or models on any daily basis or do you just listen to what accuweather says and go on about with your day?



So is THIS a cloud anomaly in your book due to the obvious contrails in the photo?

Hello,
Yes, that is definitely odd! I saved that photo for my evidence file, thank you. I'm particularly intrigued by that petroleum-like slick that has unusual colors.

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Here's the problem with the photo I just linked you to. One, it's a stock photo that's been manipulated to enhanced colors from deviantArt. Two, what is actually happening there is a form of circumhorizontal arc and is fairly common when the temperature aloft is very cold. There are reports of it happening dating back to the late 18th century. Thanks for proving my point.

If you look closely at that photo, you can see that the high level winds are spreading that rainbow like substance away from the main chem-trail. Nice example, thanks for that photo. do you have any info about time, temperature, general location where that photo was taken. I'm curious to check the location and compare where the nearest airports or AFB's are.

Shugo
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Here's the problem with the photo I just linked you to. One, it's a stock photo that's been manipulated to enhanced colors from deviantArt. Two, what is actually happening there is a form of circumhorizontal arc and is fairly common when the temperature aloft is very cold. There are reports of it happening dating back to the late 18th century. Thanks for proving my point.

So you're providing manipulated photos? Why?

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The only thing manipulated about it...at least according to the author is the red hue and the depth of the blue sky behind it. My point being was that someone who has not spent time observing the sky can assume that anything they haven't seen before is an anomaly. In fact, it isn't. The phenomena depicted in the photo is real, the contrails are real, the cloud formation is real, the hues are not. Here's the same phenomena without the manipulation:



It's not abnormal, and its not caused by "chemtrails" or contrails.
And to prevent you from jumping to conclusions about the trailing cloud in the background, here's another one:

Shugo
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The only thing manipulated about it...at least according to the author is the red hue and the depth of the blue sky behind it. My point being was that someone who has not spent time observing the sky can assume that anything they haven't seen before is an anomaly. In fact, it isn't. The phenomena depicted in the photo is real, the contrails are real, the cloud formation is real, the hues are not. Here's the same phenomena without the manipulation:



It's not abnormal, and its not caused by "chemtrails" or contrails.

Well I like this one better! And I have witnessed stuff like that too. I'm saving that one, the other one I threw out.
I consider the real photo to contain "suspected chem-trail residue."

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Please see my edit to add, as the cloud in the picture you just saved is not a contrail nor a chemtrail, it is an upper level cirrus layer.

Mikeultra
Well I like this one better! And I have witnessed stuff like that too. I'm saving that one, the other one I threw out.
I consider the real photo to contain "suspected chem-trail residue."

These types of atmospheric optics have been observed and recorded throughout history, so I doubt they are chemtrail residue. They are by no means a recent phenomenon.

I'm not sure exactly what sort of atmospheric optical phenomenon it is, but it looks to be related to some sort of iridescent cloud, or an ice halo. Whatever the exact type of optical phenomenon it is, they are usually associated with ice crystal or water droplets.

Atmospheric Optics - Iridescent Clouds

Atmospheric Optics - Ice Halos

So it would be wise not to jump to the conclusion that iridescent clouds are related to chemtrails. Iridescent clouds are a completely natural phenomenon.

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Mikeultra
Well I like this one better! And I have witnessed stuff like that too. I'm saving that one, the other one I threw out.
I consider the real photo to contain "suspected chem-trail residue."

These types of atmospheric optics have been observed and recorded throughout history, so I doubt they are chemtrail residue. They are by no means a recent phenomenon.

I'm not sure exactly what sort of atmospheric optical phenomenon it is, but it looks to be related to some sort of iridescent cloud, or an ice halo. Whatever the exact type of optical phenomenon it is, they are usually associated with ice crystal or water droplets.

Atmospheric Optics - Iridescent Clouds

Atmospheric Optics - Ice Halos

So it would be wise not to jump to the conclusion that iridescent clouds are related to chemtrails. Iridescent clouds are a completely natural phenomenon.

OK, I'm convinced about the iridescent clouds now. Thanks for those links, I saved them. Here is a the good old standard rainbow taken on 09/30/2012.

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Here is a the good old standard rainbow taken on 09/30/2012.

Have you ever thought about finding the gold at the end of the rainbow?