Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

Mikeultra
This may show an uncompressed version of the unknown craft.
oi39.tinypic.com...

Even if it is another plane flying higher, I'm not sure how that is evidence. So, it's a picture of two planes -- one much higher than the other.

Having said that, as I indicted above, the unknown object would need to be MUCH higher (or smaller) than the plane leaving the trail. That's why I thought it could be Venus -- especially considering Venus is bright enough right now to see in blue-sky daylight.

Mikeultra

AndyMayhew

Mikeultra

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

But why can't a contrail be that long? Or persist? A contrail is a cirrus cloud, and they can hang around a long time, so why can't a contrail?

A contrail is NOT a cirrus cloud!
Now answer my question about the 09/07/2013 - 2:48 pm photo!

A contrail IS a cirrus cloud - just one made by an aircraft, rather than occurring naturally. It's a high level cloud made up of ice particles. You may not think it should be thus classified, but meteorologists beg to differ - and I'm afraid they have the say, not you

btw, we all know that normal contrails can persist and spread out to cover the sky. Why would chemtrails do this?

Over to you

Is a meteorologist the same as a tv weatherman?

No. A meteorologist is a scientist who has studied meteorology at university

A TV weatherman (whom I understand is rather misleadingly described as a meteorologist by tabloid media in the USA) is someone who looks/sounds good on TV and likely wouldn't know nimbus from virga

...increased presence of aerosol particles in the atmosphere caused by human action. All signs point to a chem-trail campaign being waged by the global warming fanatics.

Actually, it points to car exhaust and wood fires. But mainly, industrial processes.

Why would aerosols be visible from the ground? Granted, they can be seen (just) if you know what to look for after a massive volcanic eruption - but most people would not notice them:

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LazyGuy
If Chemtrails were a government funded campaign with nefarious intent wouldn't the money come from black budget sources?

It's funny -- some people are saying that they still see persistent trails (what they call chemtrails) during the shutdown, so that indicates that the alleged "sprayers" are not affected by the shutdown. Other people have say their skies are clear, that means the "sprayers" WERE affected by the shutdown.

I'm not sure which of these conflicting observations/claims to believe (if I should believe either).

Personally where I live, we have had both conditions -- long stretches of blue sky days intermixed with a couple of days here and there with persistent contrails. But I'm not reading anything into that, considering that is what I typically see where I live -- even when the government is not shut down.

I was optimistic in the first 4 days after the shutdown, nice blue skies, puffy white clouds, fresh air, no chem-trails. I thought they had to curb their agenda for awhile. Day 5 they were back at it. Their funding is deemed essential! Whoever these beings are, they don't answer to the U.S. Congress.

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Mikeultra
This may show an uncompressed version of the unknown craft.
oi39.tinypic.com...

Even if it is another plane flying higher, I'm not sure how that is evidence. So, it's a picture of two planes -- one much higher than the other.

Having said that, as I indicted above, the unknown object would need to be MUCH higher (or smaller) than the plane leaving the trail. That's why I thought it could be Venus -- especially considering Venus is bright enough right now to see in blue-sky daylight.

Unless it's a huge unidentifiable object! I'm not savvy with astronomy, so I can only tell you that the photo in question was taken by looking almost straight up and slightly to the direction of due north on the described date and time. GPS coordinates 40.655749, -74.943637

Mikeultra
Whoever these beings are, they don't answer to the U.S. Congress.

Indeed not.

They answer to you and mammon: if people are willing to pay to fly, they will fly.

Why did you think the federal shut-down would affect all the world's airlines anyway?

reply to post by waynos


Well I think one is a normal jet exhaust .I seen one jet going this morning that didn't have anything trailing .I am thinking that if there is a chemical element to the long trails and that is a marker to it ,then they haven't been doing it since the shut down because like I told op there doesn't seem to be any now ....peace.

reply to post by Mikeultra


I answered that question several posts ago. You have conditions where clouds can form, and you have a plane leaving cirrus clouds behind it. What's so unusual about that?

As for the reflection that could be just about anything. It could be another plane, it could be something higher up in the atmosphere, like a balloon, or it could be a reflection from sunlight.

AndyMayhew

Mikeultra
Whoever these beings are, they don't answer to the U.S. Congress.

Indeed not.

They answer to you and mammon: if people are willing to pay to fly, they will fly.

Why did you think the federal shut-down would affect all the world's airlines anyway?

You make a good point there about a U.S. government shutdown not having an effect on international airlines. Thanks for showing me that. That would explain why the chem-trails have only decreased in severity. Also very importantly the 10/05/2013 5:10 pm eastern chem-trailing aircraft that waynos helped me identify by using Flightradar24, turned out to be this aircraft, Turkish Airlines Airbus A340-311!
www.airliners.net... rt_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

I answered that question several posts ago. You have conditions where clouds can form, and you have a plane leaving cirrus clouds behind it. What's so unusual about that?

As for the reflection that could be just about anything. It could be another plane, it could be something higher up in the atmosphere, like a balloon, or it could be a reflection from sunlight.

edit on 10/13/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

Oh yes indeed, it is a reflection from sunlight upon an unknown object. I took numerous other photos at the same angle, and I assure you the reflection is not in the camera lense. Look closely, the sun is relectling in an identical manner as the airliner! Of course I didn't see that unknown object when I took the photo. When I downloaded it at home I was shocked!

reply to post by Mikeultra


And there is no way that an airline is going to be in on this. Do you realize how many thousands of people that adds to a conspiracy? You have the people that test the fuel, you have the people at the airline that know (and there are literally thousands of airlines), you have the mechanics (because they're going to notice that engines are wearing out a LOT faster than they should be, and there are fuel system issues from the chemicals, if it's in the fuel)...... You just exploded the numbers required for this conspiracy by adding the airlines into it.

reply to post by Mikeultra


And there are probably five or six explanations for it, other than something "in hot pursuit" of the plane. Much more mundane, a Mylar balloon, or most likely as was pointed out Venus.

Mikeultra
Thanks for showing me that. That would explain why the chem-trails have only decreased in severity. Also very importantly the 10/05/2013 5:10 pm eastern chem-trailing aircraft that waynos helped me identify by using Flightradar24, turned out to be this aircraft, Turkish Airlines Airbus A340-311!
www.airliners.net... rt_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

So, are chemtrail just contrails?

Or are the Turks spraying chemtrails over US airspace?

Mikeultra

waynos
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

It's impossible to say, does the uncompressed image show more detail? It could be a bird, but without a better resolution it could be almost anything.

I don't know what uncompressed image means. I don't think that I cropped the photo before uploading on to the ATS photo library. I have to check my Picasa3 files. It's not a bird! It's higher than the aircraft. I believe it's in hot pursuit of the aircraft.

I love that on here when people make quotes re objects in picture so please tell us all HOW you worked out that object is higher than the aircraft and not lower.

wmd_2008

Mikeultra

waynos
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

It's impossible to say, does the uncompressed image show more detail? It could be a bird, but without a better resolution it could be almost anything.

I don't know what uncompressed image means. I don't think that I cropped the photo before uploading on to the ATS photo library. I have to check my Picasa3 files. It's not a bird! It's higher than the aircraft. I believe it's in hot pursuit of the aircraft.

I love that on here when people make quotes re objects in picture so please tell us all HOW you worked out that object is higher than the aircraft and not lower.

I don't see it being one of those optical illusion type things, where if you stare at it long enough you'll eventually see an object being convex rather than concave. My brain is telling me the object is at a higher altitude.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Why?
How big does your brain tell you the object is? What does your brain base that assessment on?

Our brains aren't all that reliable.

reply to post by NONPOINT21


Not having read all the comments ... I really find it hard to believe, there are STILL non-believers ...
WITH ALL THE PROOF SOLID they exist and ARE POISONING US since the 1970's ... THUS
why increased Cancers, illnesses overall ... haven't you people noticed the increase
with Cancers, which is documented as well ... with GMOs, fluoride and all the other toxins
we've been subjected to:
I like to address the answer posed by the 1st person comments posed question:
I recall, not quoted: "What their agenda would be for Chemtrails from the NWO "

First the NWO is the gvrnmnt. ... there is no gvrnmnt but an controlled CORPORATION of few elite,
evilests' ... that function for one thing reason; POWER .. with that the complete control of the people ... which they have no use for after the taking of all our $$ all these years ... they are called many names,
One prominent one being: NWO ... amongst many more.

Chemtrails are a slow death ... Their slow depopulation plan in the works for many years.

TO REPLY TO THE INITIAL INTENT OF YOUR POST:

Yes, the Chemtrails DID slow down... and I have been in heaven with CLEAR AIR ... SMELLING & FEELING IT, SEEING IT ... with NORMAL CLOUDING ... blue skies, etc... HOWEVER, after a few days of this heaven, something we've naively taken granted for so long ... it was gone yet again.
A few days past, I stepped outside my door & the skies were littered with them ...
I gagged @ the stench coming from the chemical's in the air. Part of the problem I feel with people
in disbelief of this is:
Maybe in the area they live, it may not be as badly hit as others ... thus denial that they are a danger, etc.

What needs to happen, which is up to the individual; Is an OPEN MIND ... to do the research.

If it affected them as profoundly as it does myself, my family & millions of others ...
then maybe they would & REALLY SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHY ...
Sadly enough, even though the cabal is squealing for money ... they continue to pummel us with this poison which I firmly believe shall come to an end ... soon. They're just striking out as much as they can
on their way down.

The day of this joy that I look forward to, is in such a way I can not even express into words how
much it means ... with that I'll leave you to listen to this short vid. by Ted Gunderson himself.
Then maybe you or rather those who do not believe may explore the avenue in which these
questions behind this evil can be answered ...

Time will tell ... TRUTH be TOLD !!! Just wait & see ... All of YOU !

While this solidifies it for me, which I don't need, this man knew what his Whistleblowing would
undoubtedly cost him ... His Precious Life ... What he was willing to do ... as ALL WHISTLEBLOWERS
do ... in my book: THEY ARE ALL HERO'S ...
You may have heard of him & I know he rests in peace:
Bless You, Ted Gunderson ...

Peace, Love ... to All
Namsastè

www.youtube.com...'___'qW70gxpdtm8UMGQg3UXA

PS: I choose a short video to eliminate boredom ... sadly enough ... 'some' people get bored &
miss integral information because of this ...

reply to post by LuzdeElinor


So the ONLY place that could cause increases in cancer and other diseases is that plane flying overhead? There couldn't possibly be ground sources, or any other cause?

And you have "solid proof" in the form of tests on "chemtrails" right? Something other than a patent, or a "look up!"

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Why?
How big does your brain tell you the object is? What does your brain base that assessment on?

Our brains aren't all that reliable.

edit on 10/13/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure but I think the aircraft is a Boeing 767. Let's just say it's a Boeing 767-300 with a wingspan of 156 feet and fuselage length of 180 feet. I'm only going to give a rough estimate of separation distance, say 1000 feet. My best guess is therefore 120 feet in diameter!
en.wikipedia.org...-300

reply to post by Mikeultra


Except that it can be right in front of the lense, and appear to be huge. There is no way to tell if it's higher or lower just by looking at it.

As far as identifying the plane, I'm looking at the larger version of the picture, and I can't tell that it's a 767, let alone if it's a 767-300.

The most important part though is that there is no way to tell by eye if it's higher or lower in a picture.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Except that it can be right in front of the lense, and appear to be huge. There is no way to tell if it's higher or lower just by looking at it.

As far as identifying the plane, I'm looking at the larger version of the picture, and I can't tell that it's a 767, let alone if it's a 767-300.

The most important part though is that there is no way to tell by eye if it's higher or lower in a picture.

edit on 10/13/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

Your not going to quiz me on why I think it's a 767? I had all my evidence prepared just for you.