Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

reply to post by BO XIAN


The Bible doesn't prove the bible!

reply to post by windword


Evidently you are uninformed and unaware of

textual scholarship.

Evidently it would be irrational to try and carry on a thoughtful and informed dialogue with you about a topic you demonstrate such little knowledge of.

Kargun

Even Richard Dawkins admits that there is WAYYYY too much scientific proof Jesus Existed.

You have to be without brain to conclude from this video that Richard Dawkins admits that Jesus existed on scientific evidence... Delusion, best described in his book - The Good's Delusion.

@BO XIAN - are you 5 years old? If you can't prove single thing in your post, except some self defensive parts of Bible, please at least try not to troll this much... it really is not helping Jesus existence nor your cause... actually it is doing opposite...

I asked before, is Torin image of Jesus and NONE of those so called believers did not answer my question... wonder why....

reply to post by BO XIAN


No matter how many times you say it, or haw many times you mock those who don't agree with you, the Bible doesn't prove the Bible is true. There is zero evidence of Jesus outside of the pages of the Bible.

In fact, there's no evidence, outside of the Bible that proves that Paul was a real person!

www.youtube.com...

Watch this video to the end. I believe religion was created for control!

Do we have sound Historical facts about Jesus?

BO XIAN
The fear claim is more reasonably leveled at those who are hostile to Christianity.

Christianity's core message is telling people that everyone's god made hell, to throw them into after they die, in order to punish them for even existing.

This is spiritual terrorism, to gain power, control and profit. This message is the largest evil in the world today. And it is all based on creating and manipulating fear.

reply to post by SuperFrog


He says in plain english (which I'm guessing might not be your first language?):

"Jesus Existed."

Do you know why he changed positions? Because he was called out by secular historians when he first alluded to the idea that Jesus never existed, and after re-examining the evidence, He did the sensible thing and changed his position.

It's no secret Dawkins is an atheist. What is apparently lost on you is the fact that a VERY LARGE NUMBER of secular historians agree that there is sufficient evidence in the historical record to conclude that Jesus was a real person, and evidently, Richard Dawkins agrees.

What can we glean from this? That Joseph Atwill is full of hot air, and using sensationalism and complete fabrications to sell books.

Edit to add:

Nobody is answering your question about the Turin Shroud because it's ridiculous. The argument for the historicity of Christ does not rest on the Turin shroud. Infact, it has nothing to do with the shroud, so why would anyone bother to take your bait?

reply to post by BO XIAN


Bo you may not realize it but you are going in circles.


Sorry but that doesn't make the bible true.

reply to post by windword


Folks can pretend that the facts . . . e.g. those presented here:




www.youtube.com...

Are NOT true 24/7/365 . . .

However, the FACTS are still the FACTS.

AS Dr Gary Habermas documents in the video . . . the assertions of key verses have been verified as existing in the literature of the culture from within one-two years of the Crucifixion.

EVEN SKEPTICS AGREE ON THE DATING.

BTW, some of the confirming evidence is such as a Corinthian head city ruler's name carved in stone . . . confirming dating . . . as such rulers ruled one year.

Others say that key facts of the historical record can be documented to be within 6 months of the Resurrection.


There's no other comparable documentation from recorded history.

That beats them ALL hands down.

If you haven't watched Dr Habermas' lecture above . . . or considered fair-mindedly any of the other

AUTHENTIC TRUE SCHOLARSHIP

All the blather about "proof" is the opposite of DENYING IGNORANCE.

It's more EXALTING IN IGNORANCE.

As noted in the video . . . Skeptic Bart Herman cites 11 different independent historical sources of evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus.

He--skeptic Bart Ehrman--even believes that Jesus' followers saw the Resurrected Jesus--BASED ON THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE.

Some assert boldly: "I'm sure the risen Jesus appeared to His followers after His Death."

LIberal skeptic Dale Allison "I'm a skeptic--but I'm sure the risen Jesus appeared to his disciples after his death."

Gary's website:

www.garyhabermas.com...

TheEthicalSkeptic
Christianity's core message is telling people that everyone's god made hell, to throw them into after they die, in order to punish them for even existing.
This is spiritual terrorism, to gain power, control and profit. This message is the largest evil in the world today. And it is all based on creating and manipulating fear.

Christianity's core message is God saving us from Hell when we don't deserve it.
Romans 5:8, "But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You should be thankful that God is willing to forgive us of our sins.

And I invented the internet. Brings me joy to see these claims, goes to show Christians aren't the only crazy ones!

reply to post by Grimpachi


Sounds like YOU ASSUME

I'm going in circles

because you can't imagine otherwise being possible.

Check the facts out.

You obviously have not significantly examined the sources I've cited.

I doubt you've even watched the video by Gary Habermas cited above.

BS on the article, just crap!

ltheghost
uk.prweb.com...

Ran across this article today. Thoughts? And what are the ramifications if it is true? Or is this just sloppy research or something to discredit an entire religion?

Ha! What a crock of B.s. Having met my Lord at the tender age of 17, 31 years ago and he has and is my best friend all of these years. His own brothers became a believer after his resurrection. And then of course there is Saul of Tarsus. His life also changed from one who personally led an onslaught of persecution against Christians to becoming one of their leaders after meeting The Lord Jesus. Oh, you might know him by the name of the Apostle Paul.

Grace and peace.

Bruce

Grimpachi
Sorry but that doesn't make the bible true.

The Bible is "many books". To say you can't use the Bible is precarious. The prophecies of the Old Testament prove the New Testament.

Uniqueness of the Bible
-----------------------
The Bible is unique, "different from all others", in the following ways (plus a
multitude more)...

The Bible is unique in its "continuity". It's a book written over a 1,500 year
span; written over 40 generations; written by more than 40 authors, from every
walk of life -- including kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets,
statesmen, scholars, prophets, ... etc. It's a book written in different places
ranging from the wilderness of Mount Sinai to the prison walls of Paul! It's a
book written at different times of peace and war, at different moods of joy and
sorrow. It's a book written on three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe),
written in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek). Finally, it's a book
whose subject matter includes hundreds of topics. Yet, the biblical authors
spoke with harmony and continuity from Genesis to Revelation about one
unfolding story: "God's redemption of the human race."

reply to post by Mouse89



JESUS WAS MOST HOSTILE AGAINST RELIGION

Watch this video through to the end . . .

there's some chance you might learn something.

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. . . though intensely held biases

married to a huge lack of fair-mindedness

can even prevent learning when faced with tons of evidence.

texastig

Grimpachi
Sorry but that doesn't make the bible true.

The Bible is "many books". To say you can't use the Bible is precarious. The prophecies of the Old Testament prove the New Testament.

Uniqueness of the Bible
-----------------------
The Bible is unique, "different from all others", in the following ways (plus a
multitude more)...

The Bible is unique in its "continuity". It's a book written over a 1,500 year
span; written over 40 generations; written by more than 40 authors, from every
walk of life -- including kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets,
statesmen, scholars, prophets, ... etc. It's a book written in different places
ranging from the wilderness of Mount Sinai to the prison walls of Paul! It's a
book written at different times of peace and war, at different moods of joy and
sorrow. It's a book written on three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe),
written in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek). Finally, it's a book
whose subject matter includes hundreds of topics. Yet, the biblical authors
spoke with harmony and continuity from Genesis to Revelation one
unfolding story: "God's redemption of the human race."

The "bible" has over 40 authors.... that leaves room for the words of god to be "altered" I'm sorry but i don't believe anything the bible says, ESPECIALLY the new testaments...

Try the Urantia Book mate that led us to discovery of 1st Eden submerged in the Mediterranean Sea. The book where everyone runs to the hills gnashing teeth.

Put yourself in those early times when Christians where persecuted and off course the Roman aristocracy would write # to protect their BS based on no evidence akin to the propaganda # that we see today posted.

I can prove that Eden existed via two expeditions to the foundations of the world and that a personal God and Jesus did/does exist hands down but everyone runs to the hills like the Roman Aristocracy, the cowards they really are at the end including many in religion who are denial of the revealing truth at the end from the beginning where they had no place in the beginning talking crap, same deal with the atheist crap artist in all his # that flows out of his mouth without a scrap of evidence that a God does not exist.

What a coward and a betrayer he is, not only to mankind but to himself leading to a one life wonder after which in perpetual sleep as if he was never born leading others to the same lifeless fate without a scrap of evidence. Where the blind lead the blind and the deaf lead the deaf.

reply to post by BO XIAN

EVEN SKEPTICS AGREE ON THE DATING.

You really need to stop with the rhetorical nonsense. No, skeptic don't agree! Mark wasn't written until 65 BC at the earliest. Some scholars insist it was written in Rome, because of the latin words, for a Roman audience, after the Jewish wars.

Additionally, the resurrection story was not mentioned in the text of Mark. It ended abruptly with the crucifixion. The resurrection was added, with a flourish, much, much later. The story of the adulteress wasn't added until 1000 years later.

We should now turn our attention to when the book of Mark, as we have it today, was written. As early as the time of the church fathers, it has been accepted that Mark was addressed to the church in Rome, and that it was written at a time when the church there was under persecution. This best fits the time of the persecution launched against the Christians by Nero after Rome burned in 64 A.D. The text of Mark supports this. Aramaic phrases in Mark are included but always translated for the reader (Mark 3:17, 5:41, 7:11, 7:34, 14:36, 15:34, etc.), indicating that the reader would not be expected to understand the Aramaic. This implies an audience outside of Judea. On the other hand, “Latinisms”, or words which are of Latin rather than Greek origin, are present in Mark and they are not translated (as in Mark 12:42 - "quadrans" for "cent", and Mark 15:16 - “Praetorium”). Mark also mentions names of members of the Roman church (Mark 15:21 Rufus and Alexander – compare Rom 16:13). Mark is known to have been in Rome after Paul was imprisoned based on Col 4:10 and Philemon 24. That the gospel was written to a church under persecution can be seen from the way the stories in the gospel are told. For example, Mark has a most unusual and seemingly abrupt ending in Mark 16:8 (Mark 16:9-20 is generally agreed to not be part of the original gospel). The angel at the empty tomb commands the women to "go and tell", but in 16:8 "they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid." That is the end, and it is a challenge to the persecuted church - will you obey, or are you afraid? This means the gospel of Mark was written at a point in time when Mark was in Rome, and when the church there was undergoing persecution. This would be after the ending of the book of Acts, during the persecution of Nero, around 64-68 A.D.
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