Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

reply to post by texastig


It's still just a book full of fictions. Living inside a fish.....the arc.....unicorns......dragons.....walk on water.....water to wine....zombie....parting the red sea.....I could keep going on but for those who believe they just don't get it.

reply to post by texastig

The Bible is "many books". To say you can't use the Bible is precarious. The prophecies of the Old Testament prove the New Testament.

Of course, the New Testament was written with that thought in mind. The New Testament is reverse engineered, and quite badly, I might add.

texastig

TheEthicalSkeptic
Christianity's core message is telling people that everyone's god made hell, to throw them into after they die, in order to punish them for even existing.
This is spiritual terrorism, to gain power, control and profit. This message is the largest evil in the world today. And it is all based on creating and manipulating fear.

Christianity's core message is God saving us from Hell when we don't deserve it.
Romans 5:8, "But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

No, that is the secondary message. If they did not make that one up, the religion would have died fast. Who wants to join a religion which does not offer a positive pathway 'out?' I have all the propaganda verses memorized too. Does not change or excuse the terror nature of the primary message. Once you remove that primary message (which did not exist until 60 ad), the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

Grimpachi
reply to post by texastig

 

It's still just a book full of fictions. Living inside a fish.....the arc.....unicorns......dragons.....walk on water.....water to wine....zombie....parting the red sea.....I could keep going on but for those who believe they just don't get it.

No, you don't get it. The argument here consists of 2 main issues:

1) Joseph Atwill's claims that the New Testament was authored by the romans in a big conspiracy to subjugate the jews

2) The historicity of Jesus Christ.

reply to post by texastig


This doesn't make any sense!

Christianity's core message is God saving us from Hell when we don't deserve it.

Why not?

Romans 5:8, "But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Why? For what reason?

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Why did God have to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from his wrath?

You should be thankful that God is willing to forgive us of our sins.

Why? Didn't he make us this way? Why is God "willing" to forgive us for his mistakes?

DeadSeraph

I really do WISH that you could be there at his "press conference/unveiling" to debate him.... I actually wish it so much that I had to comment. It would be very interesting to see him try and defend his position against your common sense and critical thinking. I hope someone there can debate or ask serious questions and expose others to thinking instead of jumping on a bandwagon.

This is the book that leads us to the hidden revealed made manifest from the beginning, the little book of the Angel that leads us to the foundations of the world, The book of the lamb, the book of life opened at the end revealing all within the mandate of the Ancients of Days. Good for the Christian to read and get the last act together at the end from the beginning.

www.urantia.org...-jump-result-0

About the Gospel of John Mark,

(1341.4) 121:8.3 1. The Gospel by Mark. John Mark wrote the earliest (excepting the notes of Andrew), briefest, and most simple record of Jesus’ life. He presented the Master as a minister, as man among men. Although Mark was a lad lingering about many of the scenes which he depicts, his record is in reality the Gospel according to Simon Peter. He was early associated with Peter; later with Paul. Mark wrote this record at the instigation of Peter and on the earnest petition of the church at Rome. Knowing how consistently the Master refused to write out his teachings when on earth and in the flesh, Mark, like the apostles and other leading disciples, was hesitant to put them in writing. But Peter felt the church at Rome required the assistance of such a written narrative, and Mark consented to undertake its preparation.

>>He made many notes before Peter died in A.D. 67, and in accordance with the outline approved by Peter and for the church at Rome, he began his writing soon after Peter’s death. The Gospel was completed near the end of A.D. 68. Mark wrote entirely from his own memory and Peter’s memory.

windword
. . .

No matter how many times you make your claims,

or how many times ya'll's side mock those who don't agree with you,

the Bible DOES prove the Bible is true.

1. Many dozens of prophecies fulfilled to the letter . . . impossible things outside of a supernatural explanation.

2. Historicity

3. Accuracy re geography and history

4. Accuracy about man; the heart of man; man's treatment of fellowman.


There is SIGNIFICANT, AMPLE evidence of Jesus outside of the pages of the Bible.

In fact, there's SIGNIFICANT, AMPLE evidence, outside of the Bible that proves that Paul was a real person!

IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED Dr Gary Habermas' video above . . . your blathering is even more unjustified.

BTW, he notes that a psychologist and he have been doing research about to be published . . . documenting that

about 70-85% of religious doubters

DOUBT NOT BASED ON ANY INTELLECTUAL SCHOLARSHIP AT ALL--BUT BASED ON

EMOTIONAL REASONS.

Observing the posts on this and similar threads, I'd speculate that on ATS, the percentages of active posters on such threads would likely be 95-99.999% because of emotional reasons.

Interesting.

C.S. Lewis became an atheist because God didn't heal his mother.

There is something interesting about folks who claim to be atheists, agnostics, fierce skeptics . . . why all the angst and hostility?

As Dr Gary H notes in the video:

'I don't believe in unicorns but I don't go through life hating on them!'

KristinLynnxo

DeadSeraph

I really do WISH that you could be there at his "press conference/unveiling" to debate him.... I actually wish it so much that I had to comment. It would be very interesting to see him try and defend his position against your common sense and critical thinking. I hope someone there can debate or ask serious questions and expose others to thinking instead of jumping on a bandwagon.

To be clear, I don't consider myself some sort of expert on the subject. I have about as many credentials in the field as Atwill does (which is none). If anything I can appreciate his claims because they have encouraged me to actively research if they had any merit. I learned a lot by reading his material and doing my own research to see if it could be verified. I know much more about the roman history of Christ's time today than I knew before I ever heard of the man. The point remains that people who know MUCH MORE than I do (and Atwill does) who don't even believe in a historical Jesus have shot so many holes in Atwills work that I consider it an affront to history that his ideas are even discussed. It's complete nonsense, but for whatever reason people don't bother to fact check his claims.

Mouse89
The "bible" has over 40 authors.... that leaves room for the words of god to be "altered" I'm sorry but i don't believe anything the bible says, ESPECIALLY the new testaments...

Were the writings of the eyewitness accurately recorded? (Have the writings changed over time?) No.
We currently have over 12,000 partial or complete copies of the bible, dating between 50-250 years of the
original writings. From these, we know that the bible has not been changed. There is greater proof for the
bible than any other historical document!

texastig
Christianity's core message is God saving us from Hell when we don't deserve it.

Forgive me texastig, but that is texastigianity. I like texastigianity, as that makes more sense.

But Christianity's core message, every denomination, is that we deserve and earned hell. 'For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' - Rom 6:23.

Paul, deciding that stripping people of their flesh and dunking them in acid was not fun any longer, made sure that he struck an even more insidious terror into the hearts of the new subjugates in this Letter to the Romans. You can only dunk so many victims, but with the pen - you can terrify and destroy entire era's of civilization.

But Seraph is right - shifting the focus back to the historicity...
We want to make sure that this terror message is historically validated

windword
This doesn't make any sense!

It makes complete sense because we are born into sin.

Why? For what reason?

Because He loves you.

Why did God have to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from his wrath?

Because He loves you.

Why? Didn't he make us this way? Why is God "willing" to forgive us for his mistakes?

No, He didn't make us this way or make mistakes. Adam sinned and brought sin into the world.
God is willing that none should perish and that's why He sent His Son to die for your sins.

TheEthicalSkeptic
But Christianity's core message, every denomination, is that we deserve and earned hell. 'For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' - Rom 6:23.

Christ was slain before the foundations of the world. That means God loved you before you were even born.

God sent His Son into the world to not condemn the world but to save the world through Him.

reply to post by SuperFrog


What? Richard Dawkins was CALLED OUT for the GOD delusion and ADMITTED he was wrong in saying some scholars believe Jesus was a myth.

Every, EVERY ancient historian belives Jesus existed.

Man this thread is dumb.

What about the people who bore the wounds of Christ? St. Francis of Asissi and Saint Pio to name a couple of the more well known ones.

Before you blow this off I wish you would look at the life of St. Pio who bore the stigmata for 50 years. He died in 1968 and also had other spiritual gifts. Perhaps one that made him renown was his ability to read souls (know the sins of the people who came to him for Confession) . He spent long hours in the Confession Box and people waited from days to weeks for their turn to have him hear their Confessions.

Stigmatas Of Saint Francis and St. Pio

Grimpachi
reply to post by texastig

 

It's still just a book full of fictions. Living inside a fish.....the arc.....unicorns......dragons.....walk on water.....water to wine....zombie....parting the red sea.....I could keep going on but for those who believe they just don't get it.

What is an arc?

Unicorns?

Dragons?

Zombies?

People who are so ignorant should not speak on things such as these.

Kargun

Grimpachi
reply to post by texastig

 

It's still just a book full of fictions. Living inside a fish.....the arc.....unicorns......dragons.....walk on water.....water to wine....zombie....parting the red sea.....I could keep going on but for those who believe they just don't get it.

What is an arc?

Unicorns?

Dragons?

Zombies?

People who are so ignorant should not speak on things such as these.

He is making uneducated references. Unicorns ARE actually mentioned in the bible, but a little research debunks the claim that this has anything to do with the mythological creature and seems to favor the notion that the passages actually reference the rino. Dragons (I'm assuming) is referencing Leviathan, which is kind of silly in the first place, since the bible never talks about fire breathing dragons running around raining terror on the judaen countryside. As for zombies, well... That one isn't even worth a rebuttal.

ETA: In the end none of these criticisms have anything to do with the 2 issues outlined above, and throughout this thread.

reply to post by ltheghost



There is a Tiny winci bit that can show Jesus His existence Roman Emperor Claudius has Spoken about Him and what to do with him

Early Non-Christian Witnesses to Jesus Christ
by Leland M. Haines
www.bibleviews.com...


Joseph ben Matthias

The Nazareth Inscription: Proof of the Resurrection of Christ? Part II
www.biblearchaeology.org...

THE OLDEST SECULAR ACCOUNTS & HISTORICAL EVIDENCE ON THE EXISTANCE OF JESUS OF NAZARETH
www.agapebiblestudy.com...


MMM interesting especially if it came from the actual roman texts this TV program called Claudius basically took word for word from the text interesting to say the least
True or NOT if Jesus was Conjured by ROME see this video Here

The story of Jesus of Nazareth be Robert Graves - I, Claudius

you should understand the context of "invented" here.

jesus is isa.

they "invented" jesus as god.
they do not invented jesus.

they create him as a god while he is not.

that is what they "invented".

danielsil18
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

The simple fact of the matter is that history indicates that Christ was a real person

Where is this fact? Apart from the bible of course.

Everything that was written about Jesus was written after his supposed death and resurrection. History does not indicate that he was a real person. It's possible that he was a real person, but people didn't know about him until a few people started telling stories about his resurrection.