Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

funny how no one disputes the existence of a historical Buddha or Socrates..

Adaluncatif

danielsil18
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

The simple fact of the matter is that history indicates that Christ was a real person

Where is this fact? Apart from the bible of course.

Everything that was written about Jesus was written after his supposed death and resurrection. History does not indicate that he was a real person. It's possible that he was a real person, but people didn't know about him until a few people started telling stories about his resurrection.

WHAT? EVERY ANCIENT HISTORIAN IN THE WORLD SAYS HE WAS REAL!!!!!!

I can name 15 Ancient historians that say with out a doubt Jesus was real. Can you show me where "history does not indicate that he was a real person"? I trust that Richard Dawkins is maybe a little more learned than you so I will take his word that EVEY SINGLE ANCIENT HISTORIAN belives Jesus was real.

reply to post by Kargun


Seraph explained some of it but seriosly christians worship Jesus by all means a Zombie in their storys. Then there are all the times I have heard the torment of end times where people can't die and must suffer, suffer, suffer, you know the walking dead. Great show BTW I enjoy the series but its all fiction.

Check these out.

Unicorns are mentioned nine times in the King James Bible, a medieval translation that remains popular to this day: ‘Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with band in the furrow?’ the book asks. Unfortunately, linguists have since discovered that the Hebrew word re’em, translated as ‘unicorn’ here, actually refers to the aurochs, a distant ancestor of the modern cow which went extinct in the 17th century. Which is a shame, because unicorns are far more interesting than slightly-larger-than-usual cows.

In fact, a whole bunch of ‘mythical creatures’ in the King James Bible are simply additions by medieval translators who were more interested in being poetic than in making sure their creatures existed. The cockatrice, a rooster-headed dragon mentioned in the book of Isaiah, has been scaled down in more recent translations to ‘viper.’ Lilith, a female demon, has been downgraded to ‘screech owl’, and mentions of satyrs (half-man, half-goat creatures) have been changed to ‘goats.’ More linguistically accurate, maybe, but nowhere near as fun.

Dragons

Another beast from Revelation, the great Dragon is described as having seven heads and ten horns (those are very popular in Revelation.) He also has a tail capable of sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. The author later identifies this dragon as Satan himself, who fights against God’s angels and is cast into hell.

The King James Bible refers to ‘dragons’ elsewhere, but like its mentions of ‘unicorns,’ these are mistranslations. Most modern versions of the Bible identify them as jackals, hyenas, or snakes.


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then leviathin

The second of the great monsters described in the book of Job, Leviathan is a massive sea-monster who’s impervious to human weapons, breathes fire, and emits smoke from his nostrils. Leviathan is probably related to another Ancient Near Eastern monster called Lotan, a seven-headed giant serpent who represented primeval chaos. As with many other Biblical creatures, there are some less exciting theories that insist that Leviathan is just a poetic depiction of a crocodile, although last time I checked crocodiles did not breathe fire.

And so many others check the link. I wonder how is it that Christians do not know what is in their bible? I think that if most of them would actually read it they would see it as the work of fiction so many others do. If they still thought it was about real events then that would be some blind faith.

Grimpachi
reply to post by Kargun

 

Seraph explained some of it but seriosly christians worship Jesus by all means a Zombie in their storys. Then there are all the times I have heard the torment of end times where people can't die and must suffer, suffer, suffer, you know the walking dead. Great show BTW I enjoy the series but its all fiction.

Check these out.

Unicorns are mentioned nine times in the King James Bible, a medieval translation that remains popular to this day: ‘Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with band in the furrow?’ the book asks. Unfortunately, linguists have since discovered that the Hebrew word re’em, translated as ‘unicorn’ here, actually refers to the aurochs, a distant ancestor of the modern cow which went extinct in the 17th century. Which is a shame, because unicorns are far more interesting than slightly-larger-than-usual cows.

In fact, a whole bunch of ‘mythical creatures’ in the King James Bible are simply additions by medieval translators who were more interested in being poetic than in making sure their creatures existed. The cockatrice, a rooster-headed dragon mentioned in the book of Isaiah, has been scaled down in more recent translations to ‘viper.’ Lilith, a female demon, has been downgraded to ‘screech owl’, and mentions of satyrs (half-man, half-goat creatures) have been changed to ‘goats.’ More linguistically accurate, maybe, but nowhere near as fun.

Dragons

Another beast from Revelation, the great Dragon is described as having seven heads and ten horns (those are very popular in Revelation.) He also has a tail capable of sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. The author later identifies this dragon as Satan himself, who fights against God’s angels and is cast into hell.

The King James Bible refers to ‘dragons’ elsewhere, but like its mentions of ‘unicorns,’ these are mistranslations. Most modern versions of the Bible identify them as jackals, hyenas, or snakes.


Read more: www.toptenz.net...
Read more at www.toptenz.net...

then leviathin

The second of the great monsters described in the book of Job, Leviathan is a massive sea-monster who’s impervious to human weapons, breathes fire, and emits smoke from his nostrils. Leviathan is probably related to another Ancient Near Eastern monster called Lotan, a seven-headed giant serpent who represented primeval chaos. As with many other Biblical creatures, there are some less exciting theories that insist that Leviathan is just a poetic depiction of a crocodile, although last time I checked crocodiles did not breathe fire.

And so many others check the link. I wonder how is it that Christians do not know what is in their bible? I think that if most of them would actually read it they would see it as the work of fiction so many others do. If they still thought it was about real events then that would be some blind faith.

I have the King James version sitting here in front of me and all of your references are not there. Please quote to clear this up.

EDIT: Also, now that you understand that Jesus was real, this nonsense you are linking is the very, very far fringe. Many, many a Phd has covered this and I don't have the time to link every great rebutale but pm me if you are serious and not just trolling.

reply to post by Kargun


Well I did give you the source however I will do you one even better here is a link to a list of 451 Biblical imposibilities.

One of my favorites frome that list is this one.

God tells Noah to make one small window (18 inches square) in the 450 foot ark for ventilation. 6:14-16

Reason that one is so great is because the ark was somthing documented with a lot of detail. Big problem though(besides the fact that it would sink). Ever hear of Asphyxia? If the story was true then all life on earth besides sea life would have died.

This one was fun as well.

The earth is a flat disc that God looks down upon from his throne in heaven. 40:22

Anyway those should be fun for you to explain away if not to anyone here but yourself.

Edit not trolling here just pointing out that useing the bible as evidence for the bible is completly insane. Not everyone here is trying to but enough of them are. BTW you don't need to quote everything i posted I think everyone can understand what you are refering to your post is right after mine. Also aren't you trolling asking for references then saying you don't have time to respond.

I know no one asked...but I can't sit around and wait for Q&A time so here's my 2 cents...

Jesus Christ was a real historical figure. He was not some fabrication created by the Romans to further enslave and proselytize Jews...

Obviously Rome was not the birthplace of Christianity nor the cultural center of the world in that time. However, after the Roman conversion circa 313, the Roman branch of Christianity was out of necessity deemed the "official" branch. Hence, the lineage back to Peter also became the only important lineage to know. After the Roman hijacking of Christianity, the gnostic texts and any other histories of Jesus(besides the Roman-approved "official" history)were eradicated.

We see evidence for a hijacking rather than an actual fabrication....

325 Council of Nicea - mandates 4 official gospels, any others HERETICAL. (Question: If Romans fabricated the entire story, what's up with these "other gospels"? Where'd they come from? Obviously the Romans didn't fabricate them as well...)

With Rome at the wheel, the overall message of the NT became what Paul(a roman citizen mind you) understood of it. Still today, modern Christianity is very much based on what Paul understood of the gospel message...


So was Jesus a fabrication of the Roman Empire? A myth? A story? An outright lie? No. In my humble opinion Jesus was a very real person indeed.

Did Rome exploit the ensuing movement and ideologies of early Christianity to it's advantage? Absolutely. There are still people who do the same things today.

And one last thing...

Can the gospels be considered accurate despite the exploitation and manipulation at the hands of the Roman empire? Yes I believe so.

Although the Romans may have tampered with events and messages found within the gospels, I believe the texts remain genuinely authentic. I believe the Romans only tampered with the messages to 1)save face and 2) maintain control/power. The only way to do both is either 1) destroy it or 2)hijack it...the only problem with destroying it is that early Christianity was like a cockroach...You might kill one or two or 900....but you're unlikely to stop the eggs from hatching.

A2D

reply to post by whyamIhere


Actually he is one of the least documented. All sources date to decades and centuries after the fact.

Wouldn't doubt "Jesus" was made up.

He's most likely just a representation of the sun.

The sun has been the most worshiped item in human history. And it's quite obvious why. If there were no sun, plants wouldn't grow, and it gave harmth and vision. Not to mention it's pretty hard not to spot a huge ball of plasma in the sky everyday.

Seems to me Jesus was personified, just like humans did with the zodiac, and constellations. Humans have already made sun gods in previous religions also. And they have also made personified gods to other things other than the sun.

So in one way or the other, I don't believe a man named Jesus existed. He would probably be more of a symbol, rather than something physical.

reply to post by Agree2Disagree


One of the more reasonable posts in this thread. Thankyou for your contribution.

KristinLynnxo

DeadSeraph

I really do WISH that you could be there at his "press conference/unveiling" to debate him.... I actually wish it so much that I had to comment. It would be very interesting to see him try and defend his position against your common sense and critical thinking. I hope someone there can debate or ask serious questions and expose others to thinking instead of jumping on a bandwagon.

He has zero evidence for his Jesus as psyop theory. He has rather wrangled this idea from his own warped hart.


Go to the link on the link. They make a point of posting the banner there "to thine own self be true". What does that tell you? It tells me that you may as well be talking to a block of wood.

Noinden
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

Actually he is one of the least documented. All sources date to decades and centuries after the fact.

Several decades within one century. Written by men that were alive during his time and were his very close associates. That's what is known as a historical documental witness treasure chest.

Nobody haves to prove Jesus to anyone. Jesus will prove to everyone, by Himself, when the time comes for you.

Read the Gospel of the four Evangelists, Matthew, John, Mark and Luke and feel the presence of Him (Jesus, God) inside you, in your life, in your mistakes and in your hopes and expectations for life.

One day (I truly hope) you will know, that He is the Path, the Truth and the Life.

Let the light of God via the Holy Spirit guide you my friend.

wildtimes
reply to post by Logarock

 

That's not philosophy its the law.

WHAT?!!

Yes, Logarock, IT IS PHILOSOPHY.

OMG.

You all are giving me a sick stomach and a migraine (and I don't get sick stomach and migraines)....

OMG.

edit on 10/9/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

"Love your neighbor as yourself and God will all of your heart. This is the whole of the law".

Its not something derived from the logical mind but from the heart.

Jesus is Lord and I pray to our Father that those who have eyes and ears will see and listen with their hearts. Because, so many before us have written about who their lord is and why he had to come. Have faith my friends. Reality is stranger than fiction, we do not wish to believe what is right in front of us. We rather it be different because of our past sins and our egotistical nature. The enemy is extremely old, wise and knowledgeable, he wants to destroy Gods freewilled creation (humans). Ask for forgiveness to our Father and He is most merciful and will accept all children who love Him.

Those who are of like mind and wish to convey the truth, please leave sarcasm out of the debates it only confuses them and this halts the process of communication.

Thank you

Logarock

KristinLynnxo

DeadSeraph

I really do WISH that you could be there at his "press conference/unveiling" to debate him.... I actually wish it so much that I had to comment. It would be very interesting to see him try and defend his position against your common sense and critical thinking. I hope someone there can debate or ask serious questions and expose others to thinking instead of jumping on a bandwagon.

He has zero evidence for his Jesus as psyop theory. He has rather wrangled this idea from his own warped hart.


Go to the link on the link. They make a point of posting the banner there "to thine own self be true". What does that tell you? It tells me that you may as well be talking to a block of wood.

Some of his claims require a VERY dark stretch of the imagination. For instance, he claims that because Josephus records a certain case of cannibalism during the siege of Jerusalem in 70AD, this must naturally be a reference to Jesus and Mary, and part of the dark comedy the romans encoded that has eluded 2000 years of New Testament scholarship. Apparently only Atwill has uncovered the real truth, and this gruesome tale penned by josephus is an intentional reference to the real truth of Jesus and the last supper (of which only Atwill is privy).

It's literary pareidolia at it's absolute worst.

bitsforbytes


Those who are of like mind and wish to convey the truth, please leave sarcasm out of the debates it only confuses them and this halts the process of communication.

Thank you

The prophets used a good deal of sarcasm, mocking and very colorful language. Jesus even used sharp witted and pointed language that went well beyond sarcasm.

reply to post by texastig



There is no such thing as original sin! You won't find it in the Old Testament, as a matter of fact, the OT teaching AGAINST original sin. Jesus never taught it! So where did it come from? Paul made it up!

BO XIAN
the Bible DOES prove the Bible is true.

Got me good laugh there... thanks!

Hobbit proves Hobbits do exist, as well Lord of the Rings - really do exist, we have set of book that prove itself!

Either you are 10 year old kid or someone who is unable to comprehend that life without religion does exist.

Let's sum it up, you are christian ONLY because you gave up your right to ask questions and because you were born in this country at this time. If you were born in Pakistan you would be most likely Muslim, if you were born in India you would follow hindy teaching or for example if you were born during Egyptian civilization you would believe that Atum created world...

Lot's of none sense...

voyger2
Nobody haves to prove Jesus to anyone. Jesus will prove to everyone, by Himself, when the time comes for you.

Read the Gospel of the four Evangelists, Matthew, John, Mark and Luke and feel the presence of Him (Jesus, God) inside you, in your life, in your mistakes and in your hopes and expectations for life.

One day (I truly hope) you will know, that He is the Path, the Truth and the Life.

Let the light of God via the Holy Spirit guide you my friend.

Let me get this correctly.... you believe ONLY your religion being true... while others believe you are wrong and them being right...

Either God could not make up his mind, or you guys are all wrong...

Now, let's get a step further - God created everything, including hell, where he will put you... we all sin (not sure why) and only trough his supposed 'son' we can get saved? All makes sense.... sure...

Believe all you want... and hope for that one day... some of believers are actually working on getting it for ya sooner rather than later...

reply to post by Kargun

Also, now that you understand that Jesus was real, this nonsense you are linking is the very, very far fringe. Many, many a Phd has covered this and I don't have the time to link every great rebutale but pm me if you are serious and not just trolling.

What? There is NO evidence, outside of the Bible that proves that Jesus was real. Where did this "understanding" that you speak of come from?