Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

reply to post by NewAgeMan


And . . . worth pondering . . .

WHY

do folks not curse with

"Oh Buddah!"

or

"Oh Muhammed!"

or

"Oh Krishna!"

or

"Oh Bahia!"

= = = = =

The enemy fosters curses against/using his only potent opposition's Name above all Names.

windword
reply to post by texastig

 

There is no such thing as original sin! You won't find it in the Old Testament, as a matter of fact, the OT teaching AGAINST original sin. Jesus never taught it! So where did it come from? Paul made it up!

Jesus did mention that a man had to be born again. Something about his original condition from birth not being enough or was corrupt. Paul simply elaborated on that.

reply to post by SuperFrog


Welllllllllllllll . . . part of the label is sure correct

You seem to have a habit of being SUPER WRONG.

Thanks for the insult, anyway. I happen to be 66+ years old.

You're WRONG again:

I have asked questions--uncomfortable questions of virtually all authorities all my life.

THANKFULLY, I've been able to have a significant degree of fair-mindedness and enough smarts to realize that there are real answers based on solid evidence that folks can put confidence in.

Again . . . Gary and friend's psychological research has revealed that 70-85% of the religious doubters

DOUBT BECAUSE OF EMOTIONAL REASONS--nothing to do with purported "science" or "solid evidence."

reply to post by BO XIAN


Absolute BS, we don't follow religion because we refuse to bow to a make believe man made concept.
You can bow down If you like and call whoever Lord and Master but many here will not.
I can accept that there is a god but not through any MAN MADE Religion.
You are the past and the future is getting brighter because people are getting educated and can make up their own mind whether to believe in God and or follow a religion and guess what...Religion is dying off....and good riddance.
You and your ilk are holding back the human race.
Pity Christians can't be more like Flyersfan, she at least questions stuff.

reply to post by Logarock

Jesus did mention that a man had to be born again

Of course! Jesus taught reincarnation. We aren't finished products, we are still evolving spiritually and intellectually. That fact that mankind is still growing and maturing isn't an indication of sinful state. It's a natural state.

Mankind has a legacy to claim! We're here from the beginning to the end.

The idea that we live our lives and make decisions for the next generation, but have no responsibility in that next generation, as we'll be sitting pretty in heaven or rotting in hell, is a gigantic cop out!

Nope, we better take of the planet and our children's future now, because we are the ones who will have to live with our own mistakes, in the next life. This is the only kind of "original sin" and justice that exists.

It's kind of . . . moderately interesting . . .

Christians hereon persistently run into about the

only sanctioned, approved, kosher things to hate on ATS.

The most persistently hated objects on ATS . . . the 2 most often most liberally and fiercely exalted-in kind of

abject HATE

hereon is chronically, tenaciously, persistently directed toward, to

ATS Christians
and
Jesus the Christ.

Hereon we kind of get to hear the same spirit that stirred up the mob 2,000 years ago with

!CRUCIFY HIM!

!CRUCIFY HIM!

!CRUCIFY HIM!

Kind of leaves one with that friendly, warm, fuzzy, back-rubby feeling all over.

LOLOLOL

However, it just adds to yet another proof of the validity of the New Testament Text.

Christ Himself noted that given that they hated Him, they would hate us, too. . . . that on that score, the servant is certainly not superior to his Master.

It's abundantly easy to see from observing the folks on the other side on ATS . . . that in the coming months, next several years . . .

certain types of folks and perspectives will join an increasing throng SCREECHING AND SCREAMING for

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
EXTERMINATE THE CHRISTIANS!
AWAY WITH THEM! TAKE THEM TO ALPHA CENTAURI!

We have seen the globalist oligarchy begin the destructive, exclusionary labeling exactly as Hitler did with the Jews . . .

There are many such willing 'agents' hereon obviously happy to carry on such 'work.'

The frog-in-the-bucket incremental blackwashing labeling will escalate exactly as it did under Hitler . . . toward the same goals funded by the same group that funded Hitler.

Those FACTS ARE clear.

Some such folks don't even seem able to stop themselves. Their hate spews seemingly uncontrollably from virtually every post . . . all the while pretending to be modern, erudite, warm, furry, cool.

LOL . . . the only warm such folks will likely foster will be the warm blood they seem so eager to spill, running down headless necks of just graduated Christians.

Tyranny is just that way . . . as it arises out of hate and vengeance over the dark lord getting kicked out of Heaven for his arrogance and rebellion.

.

BO XIAN
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

Welllllllllllllll . . . part of the label is sure correct

You seem to have a habit of being SUPER WRONG.

Thanks for the insult, anyway. I happen to be 66+ years old.

You're WRONG again:

I have asked questions--uncomfortable questions of virtually all authorities all my life.

THANKFULLY, I've been able to have a significant degree of fair-mindedness and enough smarts to realize that there are real answers based on solid evidence that folks can put confidence in.

Again . . . Gary and friend's psychological research has revealed that 70-85% of the religious doubters

DOUBT BECAUSE OF EMOTIONAL REASONS--nothing to do with purported "science" or "solid evidence."

This actually tells and explains a lot. It is hard to believe that you have spent whole life believing into something so obviously wrong.

As for me, I was born and raised without religion. Religion never was part of my life, and I am very thankful to my parents for that and education. I was always interested in history and mythology, and I was always looking at religion as part of mythology.

Because of my interest in other being religious, I started reading 'holy' books (all of them) and took some religion classes, just in simple try to understand why would people believe something as absurd as walking on water, virgin birth, stars having significant role in birth of a person, or people being healed by pure will...

Tell you the truth, old testament and new one I would put into horror section.

But once I tried to look for historical facts regarding those stories, or the one regarding Koran, everyone agreed that there is none, except some 'so called' expert who went into length as you did, to explain bible historically by using bible. It is the same as proving that Star Wars universe exists because there are Star Wars books - sure you will do it, there it is... and prophecy of new Jedi being born in times of great need...

You have to notice, your repetition statements that bible is proof enough might work for you, but for me is just not working. There is no historical facts and all seems fabrication, with large portion of bible being copy/paste from Mesopotamia and other areas and religions...

SuperFrog


But once I tried to look for historical facts regarding those stories, or the one regarding Koran, everyone agreed that there is none, except some 'so called' expert who went into length as you did, to explain bible historically by using bible.

NOPE.

Nonsense.

"everyone" did NOT agree to that.

As Gary noted in his video . . . less than 30% of any remotely authentic scholars agree with even parts of such perspectives.

That's the facts.

There's plenty of external VERIFICATIONS OF BIBLICAL ASSERTIONS AND FACTS.

It's not surprising that some folks refuse to look in the truly scholarly directions.

Even the liberal non-Christian but true scholars castigate the pseudo-pretend "scholars" coming up with such garbage. Thankfully they have more integrity about the real facts than many on ATS.

.

reply to post by BO XIAN


BO,
I don't think anyone here has said "we hate you." Or "I hate you."

You are sensationalizing and projecting your own hatred onto people participating in this thread (besides using questionable/discredited sources, and calling us names and being arrogant).

Those of us who question the Bible's veracity and value as a "history book", (let alone 'the Word of God'), have done our homework, too. Your continued insults are not reflecting a loving, warm, mature, level-headed, compassionate adult, "sweetie."

Treat others the way you want to be treated.

SuperFrog

voyger2
Nobody haves to prove Jesus to anyone. Jesus will prove to everyone, by Himself, when the time comes for you.

Read the Gospel of the four Evangelists, Matthew, John, Mark and Luke and feel the presence of Him (Jesus, God) inside you, in your life, in your mistakes and in your hopes and expectations for life.

One day (I truly hope) you will know, that He is the Path, the Truth and the Life.

Let the light of God via the Holy Spirit guide you my friend.

Let me get this correctly.... you believe ONLY your religion being true... while others believe you are wrong and them being right...

Please clam yourself. I didn't said nothing like that. You are free to believe anything that you want (include here any religion). It's your heart that will help you decide. Be in peace, my friend.

reply to post by windword


Jesus did not by any stretch preach reincarnation.

DeadSeraph
reply to post by ltheghost

 

Here we go again with Joseph Atwill's nonsense. I have spent far too much time looking into his claims and debunking them on ATS, and I have no interest in doing so again. What I have discovered is concrete proof that his claims are completely bogus, but no amount of evidence was good enough for his adherents, and they basically just plugged their ears and screamed as loud as they could no matter which facts were presented to them that effectively dismantled their claims.

Atwill is a snake oil salesman and nothing more. His goal is to sell books, not discuss the truth. All of his claims fall apart under the light of history (history which anyone can research if they are so inclined). The simple fact of the matter is that history indicates that Christ was a real person, and that people willingly went to their deaths in defence of their belief in Him. Nothing Atwill is claiming is "new". All of his claims have already been discussed in his books as well as on threads here at ATS, and I see nothing in the article that indicates he has any "new evidence". Just more of his tired claims that the romans invented Christianity because he says so.

History, logic, and reason all stand opposed to Joseph Atwill and his claims, and the only way it is possible to agree with his conclusions is to abandon all three in favor of Atwill's version of events. This is the textbook definition of confirmation bias, because a person has to want Jesus to be a fable to conclude that Atwill is anything other than a joke. He has basically completely reinvented history to suit his personal agenda. People capable of critical thinking would dismiss him outright because of this, but because he attacks religion people buy his books and parrot his nonsense. If a scientist did this, he'd be out of work and in need of a career change.

See the part in bold up there?

When making statements like that, why not include linkage / evidence, instead of a baseless diatribe of your personal feelings which have no merit.

Thanks, in advance.

ltheghost
DeadSeraph
reply to post by ltheghost

This is the first I ever heard of the guy. LOL, I'm not big into this stuff but this did catch my eye a little. I don't post often here, but I figured someone on here would know something about him and what he was talking about.

Same. S&F for making me aware, at the very least.

wildtimes
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

BO,
I don't think anyone here has said "we hate you." Or "I hate you."

You are sensationalizing and projecting your own hatred onto people participating in this thread (besides using questionable/discredited sources, and calling us names and being arrogant).

Those of us who question the Bible's veracity and value as a "history book", (let alone 'the Word of God'), have done our homework, too. Your continued insults are not reflecting a loving, warm, mature, level-headed, compassionate adult, "sweetie."

Treat others the way you want to be treated.

So what are you going to do? Hold Bo to the teaching of his mythical teacher?

Anyway you have displayed ample evidence of your contempt even though its couched and decorated to appear as something else.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Who needs a link? This guy is schoolboy material. He's not even right half the time. What now Bo has to back up and submit his learned opinion to linkage and reverences? Like he can tie his shoes.....do you want a link?

reply to post by BO XIAN

It's not surprising that some folks refuse to look in the truly scholarly directions.

I have spent the last several years IMMERSED in truly scholarly directions.

For example, have you read Karen Armstrong? ANY of her work? THAT is scholarship. Rather dry, and requires concentration, but INFINITELY more important and credible than "Lee Strobel".

Another one you've probably dismissed is Robert Wright. His Evolution of God is much more 'accessible' and QUITE entertaining. They both have VOLUMES of work that look at these things from an objective and INFORMED point of view and extensive notes, bibliographies, suggested reading, and appendices.

Check them out. Read Karen's A History Of God: the 4000 year quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam

BO XIAN
NOPE.

Nonsense.

"everyone" did NOT agree to that.

Sory, by everyone I meant historian. They all agree that there is no shred of evidence (except bible which can't be taken as evidence) that proves Jesus being real person. TO get step further, even Nazareth, place well described in 'Bible' did not have Synagogue that dates to given period in Bible. (not sure if you knew about this) There is just no evidence Nazareth is what you guys believe it to be.

BO XIAN
As Gary noted in his video . . . less than 30% of any remotely authentic scholars agree with even parts of such perspectives.

That's the facts.

There's plenty of external VERIFICATIONS OF BIBLICAL ASSERTIONS AND FACTS.

Please provide some. Guy who believes world being 6.5 thousands year old I would not take very seriously... even my 8 year old kid does not believe such nonsense after we saw large dinosaur bones in museum.

BO XIAN
It's not surprising that some folks refuse to look in the truly scholarly directions.

Even the liberal non-Christian but true scholars castigate the pseudo-pretend "scholars" coming up with such garbage. Thankfully they have more integrity about the real facts than many on ATS.

.

Pseudo scholars, at least you found correct label for Garry... guy who believes world is made in 6 days...

No evidence, still waiting....

reply to post by Logarock

Jesus did not by any stretch preach reincarnation.

Yes, Log, he did. It was widely believed and accepted at the time, and his words in several passages indicate that is PRECISELY what he was talking about. It's not even much of a "stretch". "Born again". Pretty clear.

voyger2

Please clam yourself. I didn't said nothing like that. You are free to believe anything that you want (include here any religion). It's your heart that will help you decide. Be in peace, my friend.

I am very calm, thank you for worrying about my well being. I hope you did not see my statement offensive.

I agree, let people believe what they want, but (there has to be but ) let's teach kids science, not non-sense. World will be much better place to live, just give it couple of generations...

reply to post by Logarock


Not only did Jesus teach that we all are "born again", he taught that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah!

Matthew 11

A prophet?
Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.
10 This is he of whom it is written,
‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,
14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.

reluctant-messenger.com...

Early Christians, and many among the Hebrew scholars also, believed in reincarnation.

There was a logical reason why the Emperor was opposed to the concept that all of mankind originally came from God and was returing to God via the cycle of birth and death. Justinian had been convinced by high ranking cardinals that it was not in the interest of the empire to allow Origen's writings to continue to be copied and distributed. A powerful group of Cardinal’s and Bishop’s explained that if every soul had once pre-existed with God, then Christ wasn’t anything special to have come from God. These Cardinals convinced the Emperor that if people realized they were the children of God they might begin to believe they no longer needed an Emperor, or to pay taxes, or to obey the Holy Church. But since they reasoned that only Christ had come from God but God made brand new souls at the time of conception and only the Holy Church could bring these souls to God. Without the protection of the Empire or the guidance of the church, all people would be doomed to be forever cut off from God in Hell. This doctrine was very acceptabloe to the Emperor. Once Justinian understood the political danger inherent in Origen’s teachings, the rest was simply an Emperor doing what was in his best interest.

Religions are all about control. Christ did not come to form a religion. However, the dark occultists who mismanage this world, and create every city and special feature, even the federal reserve, with sacred geometry, attempting to make multidimensioanls contracts with your soul/spirit, and usually when they utilize or abuse something into a control feature, ie religion, its based on something real, otherwise they couldn't anchor it into 3D to use it as a entrapment.

Thus a very good person, a hero amongst us, who grew up by helping others, and was peace and love (could have been the head of the essenes, ie nazarenes) was utilized by Rome for the messiah.

reluctant-messenger.com...

Reincarnation is the second death, where your memories are wiped, and we're called to become hero's of this life and avoid the second death.