The Language of Vampyr

a reply to: ksihkahe

I just want to know what happens when the upcoming pole shift / solar maximum is in full force. But that's obviously a closely guarded secret.

Is that the cosmic filter for the next game, on a different timeline? Can only those of us with a certain energy, filter through?

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originally posted by: Direnei
a reply to: ksihkahe
Look for chronons and time quantization theories. They basically postulate space is quantized in square cells of length h (Planck's length), and that time is quantized in Planck's time units. This means you can have a bunch of universes interleaved. You correctly wonder how closed timelike curves would be used for time excursions. The must be at half the Planck's length for you to try a jump.

Thank you. I do believe I know as much about chronons and time quantization as is practical for me to at the moment. That's not very much, but I'm aware of them. It seems to be waiting for an advancement, some new direction or novel connections to existing models.

I'm told that the "seventy secret books", mentioned in the article about the monks that wanted to lose their bodies, were written by Ibn Hayyan. My source can provide a copy, but it's in Fusha Arabic. Interesting that it comes up as I'm asking about these time travel topics. Some of the work Ibn Hayyan was doing seems germane to the topic of chronons and time quantization. I would assume time is included as phenomena, in Ibn Hayyan's effort to reduce all phenomena to quantitative proportions.

A significant part of Jabir's writings deal with a philosophical theory known as "the science of the balance" (Arabic: ʿilm al-mīzān), which was aimed at reducing all phenomena (including material substances and their elements) to a system of measures and quantitative proportions.

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It wasn't really clear if the seventy secret books were what was confiscated, but if it's the same books of Fusha Arabic then the Vatican didn't get around to confiscating them all. The induction of altered states mentioned in the article sounds like it's describing an initiation rite or ceremony adjacent to Sufism. Not very fleshed out, but I think it has all the components. I would guess that was a pretty serious crime to have, if the authorities could even read enough of it to understand what it was.

The problem is that your jump must last half the Planck time, something that by definition cannot be because the Planck time is the minimum possible duration.

Can't we just say it was an accident and promise not to do it again?

originally posted by: fireslinger369
a reply to: ksihkahe

I just want to know what happens when the upcoming pole shift...

Can only those of us with a certain energy, filter through?

If it's Dzhanibekov Oscillation then you're probably going to need more than just a certain energy.

That kind of event is possibly the basis for the flood myths. That kind of flood may have been an ancient legend already even when the tales of Gilgamesh were first written.

There's an idea called Exothermic Core-Mantle Decoupling, which describes something not too far from the Thomas Chan book about a pole flip. I don't know if an ark would even cut it unless you were also ideally positioned to mitigate the worst of it. Somewhere not in the direct path of a displaced oceanic mass. You'd have to know where the axis would end up and still probably need to be lucky.

Not much we can do about it. The dishes still need to be washed and grass still needs cutting, for now.

a reply to: Direnei

The one thing every chess piece knows is that sooner or later the game will end, and then what?

Well, since it is a game, the board will be reset, and the game will commence again. No doubt higher level players A and B will have a rematch.

In Lilith's chess the rules of causality always put you in front of difficult decisions. You can choose which piece to kill, but not when. You can choose when to kill, but not which piece. You can die, but not when. Or you can know exactly when you are going to die, yet you can't avoid that from happening. The game is not gloomy, at least it is not gloomier than life itself.

If you can choose which piece to kill, you can also do the opposite. You can choose a piece to live. In Lilith's chess, taking the opponent's pieces is only half the game.

So in the game, higher level player A causes the destruction of a rook in the 17th century.

Player B causes a message to be sent from the 21st century to the 17th, and the rook is saved. The two events happen. The rook dies and the rook also lives.

The result is the creation of a timeline branch. The primary timeline where the rook dies, and also a branch timeline where the rook lives.

So what is the point of sending a message back in time? The rook is still off the board and we can't use it.

What one has to do is bring that rook back onto the board. That is splicing the branch timeline back into the primary. That is the only reason I can think of where one would send a warning through time.

I would think causality is our friend here.

Let's say the rook has a 30-day time to live. The rook is destroyed and also saved after two days of life, leaving 28 days in the branch timeline. After which the branch timeline would probably wither and die.

How to, and when to, splice that branch timeline back into the primary timeline is where the game gets very interesting.

When does one bring that rook back into the game . . .

a reply to: ksihkahe

Well, I suppose this is a better way to put it. Whatever intelligence is orchestrating all this, is searching for a certain level of consciousness development. Souls that are able to maintain a state of love within war. Those of us on the right hand path, who aren't completely dominated and stupefied by technology. We all need to prepare, but it's also important to maintain a level energy. Damn hard these days, as you know.

In my opinion, the 'legend' is just a type of historical encoding that we aren't privy to. I think there's something to The Event, but none of us know exactly what it looks like. My current line of thinking, is the intelligence is scraping the cream from the top. We're living in fractal shells, and will just be placed into another game. The ending is just the beginning, etc. But I know for certain, that we're living through the end times. Everything is bizarro world right now, and 'Nature' seems to have it in for us.

Not much we can do about it. The dishes still need to be washed and grass still needs cutting, for now.

That's both the infuriating and beautiful part. No matter what goes on out there (until bombs start dropping and houses are invaded), we just painfully resume our lives. What gives me some solace, is that we're up against cowards who hide in shadows. They'll do whatever they can to control from a distance, underground and underwater, which at least gives us a bit of agency.

Time travel has fascinated humans to different degrees. Most of the time they took it for granted (all those Greek and Roman gods could time travel, without that being the central theme in the narratives about them); even the Bible contains references to time travel and, in fact, some passages in it can be better understood if you allow for time travel. In Medieval times, time travel was not a central issue. Bilocation was, though. During the renaissance time travel was not central, either. Building clocks and measuring time was, though.

Today I guess time travel is only a key issue in quantum computing, in particular in relativistic computing in which computers include a processing unit operating inside a CTC (closed time-like). The idea is that if you could send messages to the past, you would have a computer making computations in the future and sending back results to the past. This way you would have a computer giving you the results of computations you have not even had time to ask for. With current technology only small computations are possible, but it is just a matter of time (how ironic!) to build a working relativistic computer. You'll need them for interstellar travelling, anyway.

As for diverging and branching timelines, my position is timelines already exist, from the onset. All of them. They are not created by the particular observer taking this or that decision (contrary to what Everett poses). if that were the case, you would first need to clarify what is a decision, what is an observer, and what is a universe. You cannot pretend to force a timeline branching just because you decide to open a door, unless one means a timeline branching occurs that only affects the one taking the decision, in which case you cannot talk about a 'universe', rather you would talk about an 'ownverse', something affecting you, and only you. Accepting this is tantamount to accepting the only one existing is you and that reality is just what your mind creates for you.

In my opinion, there is a beam of timelines. You happen to be in one, and you cannot jump to any other, except if the timelines get distorted somehow, like in the presence of a blackhole. Only then some of them could be at your reach. But, again, because time is quantized you can only jump for a specific time lapse (in Planck's time units), and because space is also quantized there is a bulk space between cells; in a highly distorted non-linear grid chances are high you can land in the interspace between cells, that is: the void.

What happens to you if you fall into the void no human knows.

Best guess is when you jump into another branch of timeline you become unknown. You are not who you are to be, you are not who you like to be, and you are not who you look to be.

You became fraudulent and a fugitive on a manhunt.

This is not happening.

a reply to: Direnei

Thankyou for the rundown, Direnei. Surprise to me, I can understand and follow that. I will add I cannot disagree with anything you say.

Coincidentally, back on June fifth I made a post in this thread, and I didn't know why at the time. I have been working on a problem for some time.

Quote me:

Instead of "timelines" try the word "De-lamination" (of time).

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Now what you say is most curious for me:

In my opinion, there is a beam of timelines. You happen to be in one, and you cannot jump to any other, except if the timelines get distorted somehow, like in the presence of a blackhole. Only then some of them could be at your reach. But, again, because time is quantized you can only jump for a specific time lapse (in Planck's time units), and because space is also quantized there is a bulk space between cells; in a highly distorted non-linear grid chances are high you can land in the interspace between cells, that is: the void.

In my own way, a de-lamination would equate with: "the interspace between cells, that is: the void."

In the chess metaphor, I used an example of 'higher level player A' causing the destruction of an object, and 'higher level player B' causing a warning to be sent through time. To my mind, the two events both exist, yet cannot exist within the same linear timeline. So where does the second event, where the object is not destroyed, go?

As you point out Direnei, the event does not go to another timeline nor a 'timeline branch' as I thought. In remembering my previous post, I think I know where the other event goes.

. . . because space is also quantized there is a bulk space between cells; in a highly distorted non-linear grid chances are high you can land in the interspace between cells, that is: the void.

In the example I simply used the word "object" for simplicity.

What if we take a complex event. Say the burning of the library of Alexandria. Just as a hypothetical example.

If a warning was given from the future to the library, and they successfully stopped the arsonist, what happens?

I suspect that in our linear timeline, the original fire takes place, and yet the warning also saves the library of books and also people who died in the fire.

So I think that in the void, one will find the library, destroyed books, and the people who died. Even the library cat should be there in the interspace between cells.

What happens to you if you fall into the void no human knows.

Well now . . .

I understood nothing.

Perhaps Direne would like to believe in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Where every thing is shiny and not gloomy. Where money is not valued but knowledge and skills.

Where food is free and naturally grows around you.

It's just fantasy.

Life is cruel. Perfect representation of
He who remains. Understandable.

Tomorrowland.. tomorrowland... The present is yours but the future is ours .. do you remember? Hell I remember...

Nothing. I'm not your circus clown.

Can't even acknowledge facts I was saying ... Expect me to spill your #e for you... Damn.. higa niga.

I tell you, if those people exist ... They are very poor.

Timelines do not exist. They don't merge. All hell break loose. The future never meets with the present.

For FL, as something for favour done.

What happens to you if you fall into the void no human knows.

A 17rh century girl visits here, which is why I am so interested. From within the void, she is dreaming.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

Hahaha amazing. Just like FL. Always dreaming.

originally posted by: NullusSpecialis

For FL, as something for favour done.

What happens to you if you fall into the void no human knows.

A 17rh century girl visits here, which is why I am so interested. From within the void, she is dreaming.

Now that's creepy.

originally posted by: Direnei
Time travel has fascinated humans to different degrees. Most of the time they took it for granted (all those Greek and Roman gods could time travel, without that being the central theme in the narratives about them); even the Bible contains references to time travel and, in fact, some passages in it can be better understood if you allow for time travel. In Medieval times, time travel was not a central issue. Bilocation was, though. During the renaissance time travel was not central, either. Building clocks and measuring time was, though.

Today I guess time travel is only a key issue in quantum computing, in particular in relativistic computing in which computers include a processing unit operating inside a CTC (closed time-like). The idea is that if you could send messages to the past, you would have a computer making computations in the future and sending back results to the past. This way you would have a computer giving you the results of computations you have not even had time to ask for. With current technology only small computations are possible, but it is just a matter of time (how ironic!) to build a working relativistic computer. You'll need them for interstellar travelling, anyway.

As for diverging and branching timelines, my position is timelines already exist, from the onset. All of them. They are not created by the particular observer taking this or that decision (contrary to what Everett poses). if that were the case, you would first need to clarify what is a decision, what is an observer, and what is a universe. You cannot pretend to force a timeline branching just because you decide to open a door, unless one means a timeline branching occurs that only affects the one taking the decision, in which case you cannot talk about a 'universe', rather you would talk about an 'ownverse', something affecting you, and only you. Accepting this is tantamount to accepting the only one existing is you and that reality is just what your mind creates for you.

In my opinion, there is a beam of timelines. You happen to be in one, and you cannot jump to any other, except if the timelines get distorted somehow, like in the presence of a blackhole. Only then some of them could be at your reach. But, again, because time is quantized you can only jump for a specific time lapse (in Planck's time units), and because space is also quantized there is a bulk space between cells; in a highly distorted non-linear grid chances are high you can land in the interspace between cells, that is: the void.

What happens to you if you fall into the void no human knows.

The 17rh century girl is not time travelling. It is something else, and the description above is the only map that fits.

And yes, a message was sent back.

originally posted by: Direnei

You'll need them for interstellar travelling, anyway.

Why do you refer to us as if you were not a human?

a reply to: BlossomHil

Good question. If Direne likes you and you're American you'd probably get a response...

It's best to leave a question to yourself. Direne likes it that way. Creating holes in you like Cheese or SpongeBob.

I call them loopholes. She usually answers to give you more questions. "Okay class, here's your assignment" etc.



Just a game till you realized...

Sorry if my language is imprecise, I'm not intending to offend.

"Ryyrayr iligiyr ero kidd eden. Seens ry mena se erredan lifæ kidd sepyli ano. Afere sherek vecyn kidd afenari eden sayn werod cyne ero sherek. Ked adwen idse ener, nopen idse eleyffyle erredre belegeim epo ti sherek rove. Edro syrov kidd lofra id verikerays elo afere enereren."

Direne, does the NTT specimen mentioned in some FL posts have any relation to the neural transduction theory?

originally posted by: boozo
Best guess is when you jump into another branch of timeline you become unknown. You are not who you are to be, you are not who you like to be, and you are not who you look to be.

You became fraudulent and a fugitive on a manhunt.

This is not happening.

You're probably right with some things there, Boozo.

Let's imagine for a moment that someone from the past visited 2024. For a start, here in Australia, everyone is documented with the authorities. Any undocumented visitors can't even access medical help.

So having thought about it, the theory of time travel has some very mundane problems. Tripping over and breaking an arm is one of those mundane problems.

Too risky in many ways is my opinion.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

wouldnt a time traveller be able to go back in time and insert their identity into a system so that in the future when they do travel back to said time everything is in place to deal with their being there ?

a reply to: sapien1982

Well, think about it. How much research would one need to do beforehand? How much time would that take?

If one had a huge organisation set up and all the research already done, someone would have to go beforehand and set it all up.

But what of an individual who didn't have that support?