BREAKING NEWS: Former prime minister Baroness Thatcher dies peacefully at the age of 87 after suffer

reply to post by MystikMushroom


No. She was Ronald Reagan's soul partner in politics as Nancy Reagan said today.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Ok, well good to know from an actual person in the UK that the movie itself wasn't very honest.

I guess the Faulklands could be considered something like "liberating" Iraq.

So I gather that she was very conservative -- so for a person in the USA it would be like if Bush Jr. died?

listen mate, don't be taking acidtastic's word as gospel, I think he took a little too much acid at those raves in the 90s- most people do not feel shame towards the Falklands, we do not glorify death, but we do not feel shame for defending the British people on their land

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Wrong way round mate. Workers rights were eroded and national assets sold off in order to allow a few to become extremely rich.

One example of her getting what could have been great completely wrong was the right to buy. People could buy their council houses and become owners of their own property - a good thing.

BUT the councils were then barred from building new houses from the proceeds, this cash disappeared into central government, there is now a chronic social housing shortage in the country and no money to fix it. Oops.

It sickens me that people are holding parties to celebrate her death. For crying outloud. She has not even been dead a day. I did not like her policies except for the Falklands save for the sinking of the Belgrano. However she was not evil like say Un in North Korea or Pol Pot. I will cheer when an evil person like that dies. But it is totally uncalled for when discussing Thatcher. She was a politican, nothing more nothing less, and like it or not was a leading political figure of the 20th century.

Have some basic civil curtesty. Irrespective of whether one liked her politics or not!

Originally posted by kuhl
Best leader we ever had IMO ,she may be loved and hated but....at least she had the courage to follow through her convictions...peace

She set a course and stuck to it and like it or not Baroness Thatcher touched and effected the world today.

Do you extend the same reverence for Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Bin Laden etc. They had the courage to follow through with their convictions too, no?

It's apparent there's little good about Thatcher when the only positive points her supporters can find is that she had courage, conviction, balls, etc.

Originally posted by kuhl
Best leader we ever had IMO ,she may be loved and hated but....at least she had the courage to follow through her convictions...peace

She set a course and stuck to it and like it or not Baroness Thatcher touched and effected the world today.

If she is the best leader we have had then that should tell you that there is something far wrong with our democracy.
I hear that Hitler had the courage to follow through his convictions too.

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

No. She was Ronald Reagan's soul partner in politics as Nancy Reagan said today.

Reagan, Pinochet etc. She didn't keep very good company did she?

You bring up her relationship to Reagan as if that's a point in her favour

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by Credenceskynyrd

 

This is how "against" welfare Thatcher was:

www.guardian.co.uk...

The proposals considered by her cabinet included compulsory charges for schooling and a massive scaling back of other public services. "This would of course mean the end of the National Health Service," declared a confidential cabinet memorandum by the Central Policy Review Staff in September 1982, released by the National Archives on Friday under the 30-year rule.

"proposals considered" is the extent of your "argument", versus my cold hard facts that the spending on welfare as a percentage of GDP was higher than it was under Blair, Brown or the present lot!

Live under this pretend illusion of the right wing Thatcher bogeywoman all you want, the truth is more uncomfortable than that

But the earlier version's most controversial privatisation proposal concerned the health service: "It is therefore worth considering aiming over a period to end the state provision of healthcare for the bulk of the population, so that medical facilities would be privately owned and run, and those seeking healthcare would be required to pay for it.

I suppose next you're going to claim that she wasn't "that against" unions?

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Ok, well good to know from an actual person in the UK that the movie itself wasn't very honest.

I guess the Faulklands could be considered something like "liberating" Iraq.

So I gather that she was very conservative -- so for a person in the USA it would be like if Bush Jr. died?

listen mate, don't be taking acidtastic's word as gospel, I think he took a little too much acid at those raves in the 90s- most people do not feel shame towards the Falklands, we do not glorify death, but we do not feel shame for defending the British people on their land

Most people were against the war. There's a lot of contempt for Thatcher for the entire Falklands saga

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by kuhl
Best leader we ever had IMO ,she may be loved and hated but....at least she had the courage to follow through her convictions...peace

She set a course and stuck to it and like it or not Baroness Thatcher touched and effected the world today.

Do you extend the same reverence for Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Bin Laden etc. They had the courage to follow through with their convictions too, no?

It's apparent there's little good about Thatcher when the only positive points her supporters can find is that she had courage, conviction, balls, etc.

you lose any credibility when you reference her in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin etc, ffs people lose all sense of perspective

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Not sure about that, regardless of politics most people in the UK fully support The Falkland Islands right to self-determination and many supported Thatcher over The Falklands - in fact that's how she got re-elected in 1983.

There are many myths surrounding The Falklands and Thatcher's role - when the facts are known she doesn't come out of it looking very good, well that's in my opinion.

Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
It sickens me that people are holding parties to celebrate her death. For crying outloud. She has not even been dead a day. I did not like her policies except for the Falklands save for the sinking of the Belgrano. However she was not evil like say Un in North Korea or Pol Pot. I will cheer when an evil person like that dies. But it is totally uncalled for when discussing Thatcher. She was a politican, nothing more nothing less, and like it or not was a leading political figure of the 20th century.

Have some basic civil curtesty. Irrespective of whether one liked her politics or not!

Pol Pot is evil, but Thatcher isn't... even though Thatcher supported Pol Pot?

Colour me confused. Colour you confused, actually

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Ok, well good to know from an actual person in the UK that the movie itself wasn't very honest.

I guess the Faulklands could be considered something like "liberating" Iraq.

So I gather that she was very conservative -- so for a person in the USA it would be like if Bush Jr. died?

listen mate, don't be taking acidtastic's word as gospel, I think he took a little too much acid at those raves in the 90s- most people do not feel shame towards the Falklands, we do not glorify death, but we do not feel shame for defending the British people on their land

Most people were against the war. There's a lot of contempt for Thatcher for the entire Falklands saga

liar, it helped secure her electoral victory and there is no evidence since then that the nation has suddenly had collective shame for the Falklands- find me one poll now of any reasonable background that shows a majority of British people feel shame for the war

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

This statement is blatantly untrue.
Please show your evidence.

edit on 8-4-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by GrandStrategy
Most people were against the war. There's a lot of contempt for Thatcher for the entire Falklands saga

Was that why the "Falklands Factor" was supposed to have won her the next election?

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
It sickens me that people are holding parties to celebrate her death. For crying outloud. She has not even been dead a day. I did not like her policies except for the Falklands save for the sinking of the Belgrano. However she was not evil like say Un in North Korea or Pol Pot. I will cheer when an evil person like that dies. But it is totally uncalled for when discussing Thatcher. She was a politican, nothing more nothing less, and like it or not was a leading political figure of the 20th century.

Have some basic civil curtesty. Irrespective of whether one liked her politics or not!

Pol Pot is evil, but Thatcher isn't... even though Thatcher supported Pol Pot?

Colour me confused. Colour you confused, actually

"supported", oh this should be good- she actively supported the left wing extermination of one million people.

The right wing bogeyman "supporting" leftists


buahahahahahaha

reply to post by Credenceskynyrd


Yeah, right buddy. The only reason it didn't happen is because her own party wouldn't back her on these "radical" ideas.

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rigel Kent

 

Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place

Indeed it has, mostly by political design.
When you wake up, do you not smell something? its either bullsh!t or coffee. You may have to smell the latter in order to see the former. Britain is exactly what the politicians have allowed it to become and in my lifetime, she was the very worst of the worst.

What you are witnessing here is "free speech"

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by kuhl
Best leader we ever had IMO ,she may be loved and hated but....at least she had the courage to follow through her convictions...peace

She set a course and stuck to it and like it or not Baroness Thatcher touched and effected the world today.

Do you extend the same reverence for Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Bin Laden etc. They had the courage to follow through with their convictions too, no?

It's apparent there's little good about Thatcher when the only positive points her supporters can find is that she had courage, conviction, balls, etc.

you lose any credibility when you reference her in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin etc, ffs people lose all sense of perspective

The perspective is clear. They all had courage and followed through with their convictions. I'm not saying they're as bad as each other, just that courage and conviction say nothing about a person. Courage and conviction don't make you good.

They also all have in common that they were evil. Plus Thatcher supported Pol Pot and Pinochet, those guys were pretty bad you know

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Ok, well good to know from an actual person in the UK that the movie itself wasn't very honest.

I guess the Faulklands could be considered something like "liberating" Iraq.

So I gather that she was very conservative -- so for a person in the USA it would be like if Bush Jr. died?

listen mate, don't be taking acidtastic's word as gospel, I think he took a little too much acid at those raves in the 90s- most people do not feel shame towards the Falklands, we do not glorify death, but we do not feel shame for defending the British people on their land

Most people were against the war. There's a lot of contempt for Thatcher for the entire Falklands saga

liar, it helped secure her electoral victory and there is no evidence since then that the nation has suddenly had collective shame for the Falklands- find me one poll now of any reasonable background that shows a majority of British people feel shame for the war

I didn't say the nation felt shame, I said most people were against the war.

It doesn't matter what the polls said. Most people were against Thatcher full stop and she was elected back to back.