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BREAKING NEWS: Former prime minister Baroness Thatcher dies peacefully at the age of 87 after suffer

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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.


Ironically that's partly down to Thatcher and her various policies.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by HelenConway
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I am not judging you but your attitude and those of the others for reasons I have stated.
Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.


When you understand that it became that way due to Thatcher's policies then you will know why people think the way they do about her.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by christina-66
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Ach twaddle




same level of disrespect- the same black and white notions of good and evil- they are supping from the same cup



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by HelenConway
 




Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.


Ironically that's partly down to Thatcher and her various policies.


partly, yes, though not in the ways many left wingers would like to believe- for all the rhetoric, she wasn't that right wing on issues such as EU, welfare etc



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rigel Kent
 


I am not judging you but your attitude and those of the others for reasons I have stated.
Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.


And you know who set us off down that path, promoting the "I want it, screw you" attitude, don't you?



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left," Margaret Thatcher.




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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

...she wasn't that right wing on issues such as EU, welfare etc


What?! Are you for real? Please explain.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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When you understand that it became that way due to Thatcher's policies then you will know why people think the way they do about her. Comte


Really - really ..... ???????????????????????

Personal responsibility !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????



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posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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I am not judging you but your attitude and those of the others for reasons I have stated.
Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.


And just who do you think started that ball rolling? Who started the 'greed is good' mentality?

Courtesy of Thatcher the # rose to the top in this country during the 1980's and has sat there ever since.

When I was at school I was taught how to conduct myself at job interviews - and the cash reward was extremely low on the agenda (in fact appearing to be chasing money was enough to rule you out of the running). All of that changed under Thatcher. I remember going for interviews when she was in office and being advised that they would ask me what motivates me - and to respond in no uncertain terms - 'money'.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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Yes, and?

I stated my reasons for despising her. All genuine and based on her actions as leader. I'm not interested in pretending she was awesome.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by HelenConway
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I am not judging you but your attitude and those of the others for reasons I have stated.
Britain has become a very mean spirited and brittle place - this thread has just confirmed that for me.
Ever wondered why Britian has become mean spirited as you put it?
Try because we are sick of the fungus you call politicians.
I don't just mean Tories but Labour and Liberal Democrats too.
What this thread has confirmed for me is that we are expected to fawn over the politicians even after death regardless of the hypocrisy of doing so.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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I don't get it. I saw the movie "Iron Lady" or whatever, and I did see that she did some unpopular things, but she did WIN elections. It sounds to me like she had to make some hard decisions that hurt some in order to save many more.

At least you guys still have the Faulklands, if that means anything to the average Brit



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

...she wasn't that right wing on issues such as EU, welfare etc


What?! Are you for real? Please explain.



sorry what



Check out welfare spending as a percentage of GDP for the 80s, 90s and 21st century- then see how this "right wing radical fiend" is often a figment of your imagination

She messed up over Europe in the 1980s, no true right winger would surrender sovereignty- kudos to her at the end when she realised her mistake, but it was too little too late



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by Watchfull
She had the toughest of jobs.

Cure the UK from years of ultra left wing labour socialist abuse.

The country was known as the sick man of Europe, and with good reason.

Maybe some of the ill wishers would prefer to be at the beck and call of the socialist workers party, where unions ruled the workplace, and the cabinet.


You mean like all the nordic countries in europe with their ample unions and socialism that have the highest standards of living in the world right now?

The reality doesn't compare to your propaganda.



no two countries are the same, and the Nordic countries are not socialist- they have a democratic welfare state, but they are not socialist


well neither was the uk if you want to be technical, so the point still stands. If "socialism" and "unions" were responsible for the state of britain, how is it that the nordic countries do so well with more of it?



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I don't get it. I saw the movie "Iron Lady" or whatever, and I did see that she did some unpopular things, but she did WIN elections. It sounds to me like she had to make some hard decisions that hurt some in order to save many more.

At least you guys still have the Faulklands, if that means anything to the average Brit
The Faulklands usually brings shame to us. as does any war. Well, for anyone with any semblance of the consept of right vrs wrong.

and please don't take your opinions of her from a movie which was 110% vomit enducing propaganda.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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I don't agree that they were entirely to blame, though it plays a part, I was just pointing out the nordics are not socialist countries



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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Best leader we ever had IMO ,she may be loved and hated but....at least she had the courage to follow through her convictions...peace

She set a course and stuck to it and like it or not Baroness Thatcher touched and effected the world today.



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I don't get it. I saw the movie "Iron Lady" or whatever, and I did see that she did some unpopular things, but she did WIN elections. It sounds to me like she had to make some hard decisions that hurt some in order to save many more.

At least you guys still have the Faulklands, if that means anything to the average Brit
The Faulklands usually brings shame to us. as does any war. Well, for anyone with any semblance of the consept of right vrs wrong.

and please don't take your opinions of her from a movie which was 110% vomit enducing propaganda.


you are speaking for a tiny minority there, most people do not feel "shame" over the Falklands, and you don't own what is right or wrong



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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Ok, well good to know from an actual person in the UK that the movie itself wasn't very honest.

I guess the Faulklands could be considered something like "liberating" Iraq.

So I gather that she was very conservative -- so for a person in the USA it would be like if Bush Jr. died?



posted on Apr, 8 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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This is how "against" welfare Thatcher was:

www.guardian.co.uk...


The proposals considered by her cabinet included compulsory charges for schooling and a massive scaling back of other public services. "This would of course mean the end of the National Health Service," declared a confidential cabinet memorandum by the Central Policy Review Staff in September 1982, released by the National Archives on Friday under the 30-year rule.



But the earlier version's most controversial privatisation proposal concerned the health service: "It is therefore worth considering aiming over a period to end the state provision of healthcare for the bulk of the population, so that medical facilities would be privately owned and run, and those seeking healthcare would be required to pay for it.


I suppose next you're going to claim that she wasn't "that against" unions?




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