Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

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Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

Its a personal quest for indivdualized (salvation?NO, recognition?NO) understanding or having maybe an affinity to/of the POSSIBILTY of a creatorbeing? Maybe.

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I have friends and family who are Catholic and Protestant too. I have info on the beliefs of over 300 different Catholic/Protestant groups along with their articles of faith books. I would say that I have studied them well.

Any Baptist church that baptizes in the name of Christ is going against their articles of faith and is not truly baptist.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your info is greatly flawed and a load of hogwash. Would you care to site the Baptist "articles of faith"?

Anyone who does differently than the great commission given in Acts 2, is not baptizing by water correctly.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

Its a personal quest for indivdualized (salvation?NO, recognition?NO) understanding or having maybe an affinity to/of the POSSIBILTY of a creatorbeing? Maybe.

Yes, that's the point in general for most religions. For Catholics and Protestants, it's definitely also about salvation. But I definitely see what you're saying.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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I don't mean to pry but when did that occur with your sister,

It's probably been around 25-27 years ago.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

what denomination of Protestantism was the church,

Assemblies of God

Originally posted by jcutler12888

and what area of the country was the church located?

Indiana

Originally posted by jcutler12888

And how old are you and how long have you been involved with your current church and denomination?

I am 34 almost 35. Born just a few months before the Jonestown suicides/murders. My grandparents began going to our current church in the 1940's, left to go to Jim Jones' church in the 1950's, switched back to our current church in the 1950's after they found out that Jim Jones was using raw chicken to fake cancer healings and saw other things they did not like. We have gone to the same church since then, except for when visiting other churches. I don't consider myself to be of the denomination though. I'm independently ordained.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Do you believe your Catholic and Protestant friends are saved?

No.

Oh, so it wasn't recent...I hope it that awful experience didn't harm your sister in anyway.

Ah, the Assemblies of God...it's a sub-denomination of Pentacostalism. No offense to any Pentacostals present but...I've always found them to be a bit loopy (to say the least), as do many people. Definitely not a good choice for testing the waters of Protestantism. I've never been to Indiana but I've heard there isn't much in the Midwest outside of their few major cities so...maybe that kind of extremism pops up in more rural and isolated areas? I don't know, just a theory.

Wow, that's crazy that your family was involved with Jim Jones and the People's Temple and Jonestown...what do you think and how do you feel about your family being involved with a cult back then?

What denomination/church does your family go to that you don't identify with? I'm assuming it's not the Apolistic Messianic Movement that you follow, right? Isn't the AMM technically a form of Pentacostalism?How did you ordain yourself and into what faith did you ordain yourself? I've never heard of someone ordaining themselves unless it was over the Internet.

Why do you believe your Catholic and Protestant friends aren't saved? I know you've listed the only ways that you believe a person can be saved but do you really think that not even one of your Catholic and Protestant friends have truly accepted Jesus? Not even ONE?

Some of my family left the faith for Assemblies. I hear of quite a few fallen away Catholics belonging to AOG. What is the draw?

I can't imagine what. I find Pentecostalism to be a bit...off.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I have friends and family who are Catholic and Protestant too. I have info on the beliefs of over 300 different Catholic/Protestant groups along with their articles of faith books. I would say that I have studied them well. Any Baptist church that baptizes in the name of Christ is going against their articles of faith and is not truly baptist.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your info is greatly flawed and a load of hogwash. Would you care to site the Baptist "articles of faith"? Anyone who does differently than the great commission given in Acts 2, is not baptizing by water correctly.

My experience with the Babtist (NOT JOHN) but HIS AFTERMATH fakirs/contituents is this: that they do not perform this ritual HUMAN DOUSING; I asked and was told "we as babtists do not hold firm this activity". I asked "WHY" (I thought that the dunking IN WATER was Gods renewal blessing). I was told by the minister, "I AM NOT RELEGATED by God TO DO SO". I answered this "S0 the goat head said NO". Answer was GET OUT OF MY CHURCH before I call the police..Im thinking as Im approaching my CAR/GOAT/CAMEL/vehicle, I might need to get a Restraining Order regarding/against the current Babtist Thought Minister/Monster living right down the street (true story). Ok Babtists explain why you will not dance or drink of the grapes; explain to me how you warped the religion of your Christ and proclaim to be its protagonist full on without humor. Water turned into Wine at a wedding? NOT YOURS OBVIOUSLY. Vinegar perhaps.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Then what convicts us of sin?

Apparently nothing. I pointed out your sin against Colbe and saw no repentance. You also teach against holiness and defend sins.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

What causes us to put our trust in Christ as our Savior? How do we proclaim that Jesus is Lord?

It appears that you do not. A person who does those things, does not teach against the teachings of Christ and His apostles.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I have friends and family who are Catholic and Protestant too. I have info on the beliefs of over 300 different Catholic/Protestant groups along with their articles of faith books. I would say that I have studied them well.

Any Baptist church that baptizes in the name of Christ is going against their articles of faith and is not truly baptist.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your info is greatly flawed and a load of hogwash. Would you care to site the Baptist "articles of faith"?

Anyone who does differently than the great commission given in Acts 2, is not baptizing by water correctly.

Any certain Baptist group or would any do?

Here is from The National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. will that be ok?

XIV. Baptism and the Lord's Supper.
We believe the Scriptures teach that Christian baptism is the immersion in water of a believer, into the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Ghost; to show forth in a solemn and beautiful emblem, our faith in the crucified, buried, and risen Savior, with its effect, in our death to sin and resurrection to a new life; that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a church relation; and to the Lord's Supper, in which the members of the church, by the sacred use of bread and wine, are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ; preceded always by solemn self-examination.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

You don't have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. Glossolalia is not a marker of someone being saved. The fruit of the Spirit takes many forms. Why do you believe speaking in tongues is an indication of being saved?

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

You don't have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. Glossolalia is not a marker of someone being saved. The fruit of the Spirit takes many forms. Why do you believe speaking in tongues is an indication of being saved?

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

You don't have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. Glossolalia is not a marker of someone being saved. The fruit of the Spirit takes many forms. Why do you believe speaking in tongues is an indication of being saved?

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

Speaking of tongues is one of the gifts of the Spirit, not the fruits. None of us receive all of the gifts, nor should we seek the gifts. Be careful not to confuse the Spirit as a gift to the believer with the gifts the Spirit gives to believers. Every believer has received the gift of the Spirit, but not every believer has received the gifts which the Spirit bestows.

There's no reason for anyone to speak except to converse intelligibly. The Greek word laleo means “I speak," it doesn't mean simply making sounds or noises and it isn't used for a mere mumbling or muttering of unintelligible gibberish. The tongues-speaking in the NT was in native languages of the people present. The supernatural phenomenon that happened at Pentecost was the exercise of a gift whereby many people from many countries, gathered at Jerusalem, heard God’s message in their own language. This was indeed a miracle of God but it wasn't and isn't a standard of salvation applied to all people.

There's no trace of Scriptural evidence that tongues were ever heard by anyone as incoherent, incomprehensible babbling. The actual function of the gift of tongues is “for a sign to them that believe not.” To exercise the gift when unbelievers are not present would be exercising the gift beyond the purpose for which it was given. The gifts are never given for the self-satisfaction or self-glory of the recipients. The one upon whom the gift was bestowed is simply an instrument through whom God wants to communicate His message.

Speaking in tongues is a gift bestowed by the Holy Spirit, but it, or any other gift, can be misused. Speaking in tongues isn't mark of spirituality or salvation.

I could go on at length but I'm not going to because I need to sleep, my daughter's sixth birthday party is tomorrow (or later today, whatever).

P.S. Xenoglossy and glossolalia are mentioned several times in Acts. Which verses are you claiming back up your theory of speaking in tongues being proof of salvation?

Originally posted by truejewAll who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

Also, it's a mistake to assume that speaking in tongues is synonymous with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is unscriptural teaching which says that all who are baptized by the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues. The Scriptures state emphatically that all saved persons have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body..." (1 Corinthians 12:13). All believers at Corinth received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, however all did not speak in tongues. The question asked in verse 30, “Do all speak with tongues?” is so phrased so as to convey the expected answer, “No.”

The baptizing work of the Spirit isn't an experience in the believer subsequent to salvation. Rather it is that act of the Holy Spirit which joins the believing sinner to the Body of Christ. More emphatically, there is no other means whereby one can become a member of the Church which is Christ’s Body. All saved persons have been baptized by the Holy Spirit, but not all saved persons speak in tongues. The baptizing work of the Spirit places the believer in the Body positionally.

Be careful that you do not confuse the baptism of the Spirit with the command to be “filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18). All believers share equally in this position in Christ and thus share equally in union with Him. There is only one experience of baptism by the Holy Spirit but there can be many experiences of being filled with Spirit. Paul said that not all of the Corinthian Christians spoke in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5), and yet he stated clearly that all had been baptized with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13).

It's a mistake to assume that speaking in tongues is an evidence of being filled with the Spirit. All believers are commanded to “be filled with (controlled by) the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18), but nowhere in Scripture are believers commanded to speak in tongues. A Christian can be under the influence and control of the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues. There are numerous instances when the disciples were filled with the Spirit but did not speak in tongues. See Acts 4:31 and 13:9-11. To be Spirit-filled is to be Spirit-controlled. Are we to believe that the thousands of mightily used men and women of God who were among the world’s best missionaries of Christ’s Gospel and Bible teachers were never filled with the Holy Spirit because they never spoke in tongues? NO!

Can one know if he is filled with the Spirit? Look at one verse in the Bible where the command to be filled with the Spirit is recorded. “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God” (Ephesians 5:18-21). Three things are mentioned as evidence of being Spirit-filled; a joyful heart, a thankful heart and a submissive heart. Nothing is said about speaking in tongues. To sum it up in one word, Christlikeness is the manifestation of being filled with the Spirit, and the Scriptures do not tell us that our Lord ever spoke in tongues.

It's a mistake to assume that speaking in tongues is the fruit of the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit results from being filled with the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is mentioned in Galatians 5:22, 23 and includes nine characteristics. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.” None of the sign-gifts are included in this nine-fold cluster of fruit. The Christian who is filled with the Spirit will manifest the fruit of the Spirit apart from ever having spoken in tongues. As a matter of fact, in Ephesians and Galatians, where the fullness and fruit of the Spirit are discussed tongues-speaking is not mentioned once.

All Christians should be filled with the Spirit and all are to exhibit the fruit of the Spirit, but not every Christian has all the gifts. Spirituality does not depend on speaking in tongues. God’s goal for every child of His is to be Spirit-controlled, but that goal does not include speaking in tongues. No Christian need ever feel that he is lacking in spirituality because he has not spoken in tongues. Quality of life is the best evidence of the fullness and fruit of the Holy Spirit.

It is a mistake to assume that speaking in tongues is an evidence of one’s faith. To the contrary, the persons who seek signs and sign-gifts show their lack of faith. It is a sin for any Christian to seek for signs before he will believe God’s Word. As was pointed out earlier in this study, “tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not” (1 Cor. 14:22)

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The person who seeks any sign, whether it be speaking in tongues or any other sign-gift, is either a babe in Christ or an unbeliever.

It's a mistake to seek the gift of speaking in tongues. It is clear that not all in the church at Corinth spoke in tongues. Why didn’t they? The Apostle says, “Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit . . . for to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will” (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). Please note that the gifts were given “as He (the Holy Spirit) will,” not as we will, “as it hath pleased Him” (vs. 18), not us. The reason why all the Christians do not have the gift of tongues is because all of the gifts are divinely bestowed. The Spirit divides and distributes to each believer his own gift. Not one of us is capable of choosing his own gift. The Spirit will not give a gift according to our desire and the way we pray. Don’t try to tell God which gift He should give to you. We are but members of the Body, and no one member has any right to tell the Head what to do.

It's a mistake to assume that the sign-gifts are given to believers today. I'm not arbitrarily closing the door on miracles. God does intervene in supernatural ways performing miracles when and wherever He pleases to do so. The matter before us now is whether or not the Bible teaches that certain gifts were temporarily given. The evidence of God’s Word must be the final source of authority.

Is the gift of tongues a part of God’s program for the Church today? Today there is a kind of spiritual prestige associated with tongues-speaking. For a Christian to show off any gift that God has given manifests pride that is lacking in love. Where love is lacking, the exercise of any gift is worthless.

If Christians would take seriously, within context, all of the teaching about tongues in 1 Corinthians, they could not fail to see that tongues-speaking would cease. Paul writes, “Charity (love) never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away” (13:8). There will always be the need for love, therefore love will never drop off.

“Whether there be tongues, they shall cease” (13:8). Tongues shall cease, that is, they shall come to a complete halt. Who needs tongues? Only the untaught, carnal babes in Christ, for Paul added, “When I was a child, I spake as a child . . . but when I became a man, I put away childish things” (13:11). The word “spake” in context can only refer to speaking in tongues. So that Paul himself came to the place of Christian maturity, through God’s revelation to him, where tongues were no longer necessary. And so in the same tongues context he admonishes the Corinthians, “Brethren, be not children in understanding . . . but in understanding be men” (14:20). Experientially, tongues cease when the Christian matures on a diet of the meat of God’s Word. Actually tongues is baby talk.


First, speaking in tongues can be self-induced. Second, speaking in tongues can be group-induced. Third, speaking in tongues can be satanically-induced. Our present generation is witnessing the growing menace of satanic activity in the realm of the miraculous. Where the Devil does not succeed in taking the Bible from us, he works hard at taking us from the Bible. And he succeeds in getting Christians to focus their attention on the claims of men and women to some supernatural experience, and in so doing those seekers after the experiences of others have neither time nor interest in searching the Scriptures for God’s truth.

God does have a plan in His dealings with the human race, and that plan does not necessarily include the continuing repetition of the same miracles in every succeeding century. The miracles of God are rare occurrences in history. You should not expect the true speaking of tongues to occur, not should you take it as a sign of salvation and the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
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No, they are not baptized in Jesus name or filled with the Holy Spirit.

I really don't think you know whether they're filled with the Holy Spirit or not. You aren't in a position to judge the status of anyone's faith or salvation, nor is anyone in any position to judge yours. We can never know for sure the heart of anyone but ourself.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

You don't have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. Glossolalia is not a marker of someone being saved. The fruit of the Spirit takes many forms. Why do you believe speaking in tongues is an indication of being saved?

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

Speaking of tongues is one of the gifts of the Spirit, not the fruits. None of us receive all of the gifts, nor should we seek the gifts. Be careful not to confuse the Spirit as a gift to the believer with the gifts the Spirit gives to believers. Every believer has received the gift of the Spirit, but not every believer has received the gifts which the Spirit bestows.

There's no reason for anyone to speak except to converse intelligibly. The Greek word laleo means “I speak," it doesn't mean simply making sounds or noises and it isn't used for a mere mumbling or muttering of unintelligible gibberish. The tongues-speaking in the NT was in native languages of the people present. The supernatural phenomenon that happened at Pentecost was the exercise of a gift whereby many people from many countries, gathered at Jerusalem, heard God’s message in their own language. This was indeed a miracle of God but it wasn't and isn't a standard of salvation applied to all people.

There's no trace of Scriptural evidence that tongues were ever heard by anyone as incoherent, incomprehensible babbling. The actual function of the gift of tongues is “for a sign to them that believe not.” To exercise the gift when unbelievers are not present would be exercising the gift beyond the purpose for which it was given. The gifts are never given for the self-satisfaction or self-glory of the recipients. The one upon whom the gift was bestowed is simply an instrument through whom God wants to communicate His message.

Speaking in tongues is a gift bestowed by the Holy Spirit, but it, or any other gift, can be misused. Speaking in tongues isn't mark of spirituality or salvation.

I could go on at length but I'm not going to because I need to sleep, my daughter's sixth birthday party is tomorrow (or later today, whatever).

P.S. Xenoglossy and glossolalia are mentioned several times in Acts. Which verses are you claiming back up your theory of speaking in tongues being proof of salvation?

The gift of tongues is not the same thing. Not all have the gift of tongues, but all speak in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44-45 KJV
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


How did the Jews know that the Gentiles, who they did not think could be added to their Jewish movement, were filled with the Holy Spirit?


Acts 10:46-48 KJV
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


I hope you and your daughter have a happy day.

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When a person is speaking in tongues with the spirit of repentance and praise to Jesus, it is very clear that it is from God and not "satanically-induced".

Originally posted by truejew

The gift of tongues is not the same thing. Not all have the gift of tongues, but all speak in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44-45 KJV
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


How did the Jews know that the Gentiles, who they did not think could be added to their Jewish movement, were filled with the Holy Spirit?


Acts 10:46-48 KJV
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


I hope you and your daughter have a happy day.

Thank you so much! I have a very special party planned for her...I bought her lots of presents but one very special one, a little sapphire necklace to match the sapphires in my engagement ring (I'm divorced from an extremely abusive and murderous addict and engaged to a wonderful and good hearted police officer and son of a minister ), and I have an awesome cake made and we're going shipping at Justice (a little girls' clothing store) and getting mini makeovers and playing dress up at Club Tabby (a little salon/store for little girls)...is gonna be great!!

TJ, that was two millennia ago. As I explained, the speaking of tongues was and is a gift that is not bestowed to all who receive the Holy Spirit...it wasn't even that way in the Bible. And speaking in tongues is not the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit for everyone...perhaps some but not EVERYONE. The passage you cited above does not apply to everyone over the past two millennia.

Originally posted by truejew
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When a person is speaking in tongues with the spirit of repentance and praise to Jesus, it is very clear that it is from God and not "satanically-induced".

TJ, have you ever considered that some people who speak in tongues may be FAKING it for a number of reasons, such as self-glorification? And if faking a miracle from God (especially to glorify oneself) isn't Satanically induced, then what is?

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I've gotta go to sleep, it's 3:30 AM and I have to be up very early to prepare for tomorrow's festivities! Let's pick this discussion up later this afternoon/evening when I'm not as busy. Good night!