Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by colbe

Yours one sentence is so specific "holocausts", what holocausts?

Are you denying that the holocaust, led by a Catholic Hitler, took place?

No, no, no...you can't blame the Holocaust on Catholicism just because Hitler CLAIMED to be a Catholic. He believed Jews were subhuman and that all forms of Protestantism was for weaklings...he was merely impressed by the power the Catholic Church held and claimed to be a Catholic/Christian because he would say anything to make the people like him. He also buddied up to the Vatican with his lies to gain support and power but he wasn't truly a Catholic at all. Catholics and clergy were killed in concentration/death camps as a part of Hitler's religious persecution...he was, in fact, an irreligious man who only believed in a German/Aryan "God".

HE WAS A MADMAN...his lies about his religious views mean nothing because they were just lies. So, if you were to alter your statement to say "Are you denying that the Holocaust, led by a madman Hitler, took place?", you would then be correct.

edit on 8/1/2013 by jcutler12888 because: (no reason given)

I would like to agree with you, but the holocaust was not just a one time thing. Catholics and Protestants have been murdering Jews, both naturally born and spiritual, and others that they accuse as "heretics", "witches", "cultists"... throughout its history.

Yeah, they also been killed each other and their own under the same terms...as have Jews and Muslims as well. What you're failing to see is that under those terms, NONE of the Abrahamic faiths' hands are clean. The flaw in that argument is that you're ascribing the actions of few to many...just because a group of Protestants did something terrible doesn't mean all Protestants are guilty of that specific group's crimes, and that applies to Catholics, Jews, and Muslims.

Christianity's hands are clean, but Catholicism/Protestantism is not Christianity.

TJ, there are BILLIONS of Catholics and Protestants who are true Christians. HEY, I JUST REMEMBERED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THAT OTHER THREAD!!! Okay, anyway, here's the thing (which I've said to you before)...it is not up to you to say who is and isn't a Christian, no matter what denomination they follow. You don't truly know the heart of anyone, especially billions of people you've never met, so you can't go around making these ignorant, narrow-minded proclamations about the status of other people's faith.

edit on 8/1/2013 by jcutler12888 because: (no reason given)

To be a Christian, one must be born of the water and the Spirit like Jesus said.

Yeah, and why do you think that no Catholics or Protestants are born of the water and the Spirit? I mean, seriously? Not even ONE out of BILLIONS?

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by colbe

Yours one sentence is so specific "holocausts", what holocausts?

Are you denying that the holocaust, led by a Catholic Hitler, took place?

No, no, no...you can't blame the Holocaust on Catholicism just because Hitler CLAIMED to be a Catholic. He believed Jews were subhuman and that all forms of Protestantism was for weaklings...he was merely impressed by the power the Catholic Church held and claimed to be a Catholic/Christian because he would say anything to make the people like him. He also buddied up to the Vatican with his lies to gain support and power but he wasn't truly a Catholic at all. Catholics and clergy were killed in concentration/death camps as a part of Hitler's religious persecution...he was, in fact, an irreligious man who only believed in a German/Aryan "God".

HE WAS A MADMAN...his lies about his religious views mean nothing because they were just lies. So, if you were to alter your statement to say "Are you denying that the Holocaust, led by a madman Hitler, took place?", you would then be correct.

edit on 8/1/2013 by jcutler12888 because: (no reason given)

I would like to agree with you, but the holocaust was not just a one time thing. Catholics and Protestants have been murdering Jews, both naturally born and spiritual, and others that they accuse as "heretics", "witches", "cultists"... throughout its history.

Yeah, they also been killed each other and their own under the same terms...as have Jews and Muslims as well. What you're failing to see is that under those terms, NONE of the Abrahamic faiths' hands are clean. The flaw in that argument is that you're ascribing the actions of few to many...just because a group of Protestants did something terrible doesn't mean all Protestants are guilty of that specific group's crimes, and that applies to Catholics, Jews, and Muslims.

Christianity's hands are clean, but Catholicism/Protestantism is not Christianity.

TJ, there are BILLIONS of Catholics and Protestants who are true Christians. HEY, I JUST REMEMBERED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THAT OTHER THREAD!!! Okay, anyway, here's the thing (which I've said to you before)...it is not up to you to say who is and isn't a Christian, no matter what denomination they follow. You don't truly know the heart of anyone, especially billions of people you've never met, so you can't go around making these ignorant, narrow-minded proclamations about the status of other people's faith.

edit on 8/1/2013 by jcutler12888 because: (no reason given)

To be a Christian, one must be born of the water and the Spirit like Jesus said.

Yeah, and why do you think that no Catholics or Protestants are born of the water and the Spirit? I mean, seriously? Not even ONE out of BILLIONS?

Their priests/ministers do not baptize in the name of Christ. Their priests/ministers teach that Spirit baptism is from the devil.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by colbe

Yours one sentence is so specific "holocausts", what holocausts?

Are you denying that the holocaust, led by a Catholic Hitler, took place?

No, no, no...you can't blame the Holocaust on Catholicism just because Hitler CLAIMED to be a Catholic. He believed Jews were subhuman and that all forms of Protestantism was for weaklings...he was merely impressed by the power the Catholic Church held and claimed to be a Catholic/Christian because he would say anything to make the people like him. He also buddied up to the Vatican with his lies to gain support and power but he wasn't truly a Catholic at all. Catholics and clergy were killed in concentration/death camps as a part of Hitler's religious persecution...he was, in fact, an irreligious man who only believed in a German/Aryan "God".

HE WAS A MADMAN...his lies about his religious views mean nothing because they were just lies. So, if you were to alter your statement to say "Are you denying that the Holocaust, led by a madman Hitler, took place?", you would then be correct.

I would like to agree with you, but the holocaust was not just a one time thing. Catholics and Protestants have been murdering Jews, both naturally born and spiritual, and others that they accuse as "heretics", "witches", "cultists"... throughout its history.

Yeah, they also been killed each other and their own under the same terms...as have Jews and Muslims as well. What you're failing to see is that under those terms, NONE of the Abrahamic faiths' hands are clean. The flaw in that argument is that you're ascribing the actions of few to many...just because a group of Protestants did something terrible doesn't mean all Protestants are guilty of that specific group's crimes, and that applies to Catholics, Jews, and Muslims.

Christianity's hands are clean, but Catholicism/Protestantism is not Christianity.

TJ, there are BILLIONS of Catholics and Protestants who are true Christians. HEY, I JUST REMEMBERED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THAT OTHER THREAD!!! Okay, anyway, here's the thing (which I've said to you before)...it is not up to you to say who is and isn't a Christian, no matter what denomination they follow. You don't truly know the heart of anyone, especially billions of people you've never met, so you can't go around making these ignorant, narrow-minded proclamations about the status of other people's faith.

To be a Christian, one must be born of the water and the Spirit like Jesus said.

Yeah, and why do you think that no Catholics or Protestants are born of the water and the Spirit? I mean, seriously? Not even ONE out of BILLIONS?

Their priests/ministers do not baptize in the name of Christ. Their priests/ministers teach that Spirit baptism is from the devil.

Again, how do you know exactly how each and every priest and minister baptizes and teaches??? And how do you know that these people haven't just found Christ and asked the Holy Spirit into their hearts without any outside guidance? Priests and ministers aren't necessary for everyone to find God.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by adjensen

 

The trinitarian version of John 1:1-2 makes a mess...

In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God, and Jesus, who is God, was God. Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God in the beginning. (John 1:1-2 NIV)

So there are two Jesus'. One God the other not God.

That is not a trinitarian version -- we do not say "Jesus is not God".

Do you think lying is ever going to convince anyone of anything? What "fruits of the spirit" does your constant lying reveal?

I'll take Jesus' definition of Christian.

When did Jesus ever use the word "Christian"?

The Messieh is not a non-personal object.

That's what you're claiming with your statement:

Due to the Plan of the Son of God being God

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If the priest/minister does baptize in the name of Christ, they are not really Catholic/Protestant since that baptism is considered to be heresy to both groups.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Due to the Plan of the Son of God being God Himself there would be a personal pronoun in Greek.

So now you're claiming that God is a non-personal object?

Wow, I'm not even sure what heresy that would equate to.

Pantheism.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by jcutler12888

 

If the priest/minister does baptize in the name of Christ, they are not really Catholic/Protestant since that baptism is considered to be heresy to both groups.

You realize there are several different denominations within Protestantism that have many different practices, right? What is heresy to one denomination isn't heresy to another.

Originally posted by adjensen
we do not say "Jesus is not God".

Then you are in the same position as Modalists are, unless you claim two Jesus'.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by adjensen

 

The trinitarian version of John 1:1-2 makes a mess...

In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God, and Jesus, who is God, was God. Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God in the beginning. (John 1:1-2 NIV)

So there are two Jesus'. One God the other not God.

That would be a hybrid Arian and Jehovah's Witness version

Christians who subscribe to a Trinitarian theology proper and Christology believe Jesus is God the Son, is not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit. And believes God is one, who exists as 3 person hoods, coequal and coeternal.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
we do not say "Jesus is not God".

Then you are in the same position as Modalists are

No, we are not, because Modalism is nonsense.

Christianity is not based on Greek theatre -- God is not an actor.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Due to the Plan of the Son of God being God Himself there would be a personal pronoun in Greek.

So now you're claiming that God is a non-personal object?

Wow, I'm not even sure what heresy that would equate to.

Pantheism.

Which I do not teach.

reply to post by adjensen

That's what you're claiming with your statement:

Correct. He even capitalized the p in plan.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by adjensen

 

The trinitarian version of John 1:1-2 makes a mess...

In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God, and Jesus, who is God, was God. Jesus, who is not God, was with Jesus, who is God in the beginning. (John 1:1-2 NIV)

So there are two Jesus'. One God the other not God.

That would be a hybrid Arian and Jehovah's Witness version

Christians who subscribe to a Trinitarian theology proper and Christology believe Jesus is God the Son, is not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit. And believes God is one, who exists as 3 person hoods, coequal and coeternal.

I am aware of what trinitarians claim, but we are speaking of the trinitarian view of John 1:1-2 which has a problem with having two Jesus'. One of them God, the other only with God.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
we do not say "Jesus is not God".

Then you are in the same position as Modalists are

No, we are not, because Modalism is nonsense.

Christianity is not based on Greek theatre -- God is not an actor.

Your the one saying that Jesus was God, but wasn't God.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by adjensen

 

That's what you're claiming with your statement:

Correct. He even capitalized the p in plan.

That was due to the w in Word is capitalized in Scripture.

It refers to the Messieh, not an object.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Due to the Plan of the Son of God being God Himself there would be a personal pronoun in Greek.

So now you're claiming that God is a non-personal object?

Wow, I'm not even sure what heresy that would equate to.

Pantheism.

Which I do not teach.

Then why would you speak of an abstract thing as deity? You even capitalized the p in plan. Not only is that a fallacy called "reification", if you meant it it's basically Pantheism.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Due to the Plan of the Son of God being God Himself there would be a personal pronoun in Greek.

So now you're claiming that God is a non-personal object?

Wow, I'm not even sure what heresy that would equate to.

Pantheism.

Which I do not teach.

Then why would you speak of an abstract thing as deity? You even capitalized the p in plan. Not only is that a fallacy called "reification", if you meant it it's basically Pantheism.

As I said, "Word" is capitalized in Scripture. It refers to the Messieh, not an object and not another god.

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Um, Word, (Logos), is a metaphorical title John ascribes to Jesus, the Son of God.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Um, Word, (Logos), is a metaphorical title John ascribes to Jesus, the Son of God.

Are you saying that Jesus is not the Messieh?

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??? What the?

Can you read? Did I say that?