Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

I didn't sin against Colbe. And I do trust Christ as my Savior, and I do proclaim that He is the Lord.

So again, answer the questions.

1. What convicts of sin?
2. What causes us to put our trust in Christ as Savior?
3. How do we proclaim Christ is the Lord?

Again, you show a lack of those things by fighting for sin and rejecting Christ's teachings.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by truejew

 

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

sigh.

The phrase "speaking in tongues" means not emitting gibberish, as you'd like to believe, and Jesus Camp teaches -- nono. It means that when the person speaks, people of EVERY LANGUAGE hear what is said IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.

:shk:

I never said that I believe gibberish is speaking in tongues.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God.

You may think that, but most Christians don't.
Christians generally believe in the Trinity, where the person we think of as "God" is the Father, and Jesus is another person of the godhead who is the Son.
What you are doing is trying to promote a Oneness doctrine, something that the New Testament does not teach.

edit on 3-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

Trinitarians teach that Jesus is only one god person out of three. According to Adjensen's teaching on John1:1-2 God refers to the Father and Jesus isn't God.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by truejew

 

I have friends and family who are Catholic and Protestant too. I have info on the beliefs of over 300 different Catholic/Protestant groups along with their articles of faith books. I would say that I have studied them well.

Any Baptist church that baptizes in the name of Christ is going against their articles of faith and is not truly baptist.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your info is greatly flawed and a load of hogwash. Would you care to site the Baptist "articles of faith"?

Anyone who does differently than the great commission given in Acts 2, is not baptizing by water correctly.

Any certain Baptist group or would any do?

Here is from The National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. will that be ok?

XIV. Baptism and the Lord's Supper.
We believe the Scriptures teach that Christian baptism is the immersion in water of a believer, into the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Ghost; to show forth in a solemn and beautiful emblem, our faith in the crucified, buried, and risen Savior, with its effect, in our death to sin and resurrection to a new life; that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a church relation; and to the Lord's Supper, in which the members of the church, by the sacred use of bread and wine, are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ; preceded always by solemn self-examination.

edit on 3-8-2013 by truejew because: (no reason given)

Yes, and what is his name? There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God. For anyone to not know who he is they have to be completely bereft of the Holy Spirit which is why they are getting no revelations. Hence why Jesus said things like "I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you" and Proverbs 30:4 which Jesus says is him in John 3:13 and John the Baptist gives his testimony in John 3:31 and Jesus's statement "walk with the Light while you have the Light, so that you may become sons of the Light".

I was baptized by a Baptist preacher in the name of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you should stop reading and actually go attend a baptism done by Baptists instead of relying on the internet.

edit on 3-8-2013 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

As I have said before, you are a partial Modalist. Trinitarians teach that Jesus is not the Father or Holy Ghost. If your Baptist preacher baptized you into the name of Jesus Christ, he was not baptist according to their articles of faith.

I do not just rely on the Internet. I have many Baptist articles of faith books passed on to me through my great-great grandfather (a Methodist minister), who received them directly from the home office of each group.


Here is one from my collection for you...

From "Manual of the Primitive Baptist Church" second edition, July 24, 1929

Baptism

"(B) Its administration must be by the proper administrator in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

I didn't sin against Colbe. And I do trust Christ as my Savior, and I do proclaim that He is the Lord.

So again, answer the questions.

1. What convicts of sin?
2. What causes us to put our trust in Christ as Savior?
3. How do we proclaim Christ is the Lord?

Again, you show a lack of those things by fighting for sin and rejecting Christ's teachings.

You're deflecting again.

Answer the question, how can anyone do the things above without the Holy Spirit? When the Bible says those things are because of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God.

You may think that, but most Christians don't.
Christians generally believe in the Trinity, where the person we think of as "God" is the Father, and Jesus is another person of the godhead who is the Son.
What you are doing is trying to promote a Oneness doctrine, something that the New Testament does not teach.

edit on 3-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

Trinitarians teach that Jesus is only one god person out of three. According to Adjensen's teaching on John1:1-2 God refers to the Father and Jesus isn't God.

He didn't say that. God the Father is the Father, God His Son is Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is also God and at times was sent by the Father, and in the NT was sent by Jesus.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

What you are describing is not trinitarianism.
You are pretending that it is, but it isn't.
The New Testament says that there is one God, and there is one lord, Jesus Christ.
These are two persons of the godhead, where one is the Father, normally understood as the person being referred to when you use the name, God.
Jesus is understood as a divine person who is a member of the godhead who emptied himself of his god power when he became a man on earth, born of a woman.
What you call trinitarianism, is really a form of Sabellian modalism, where God becomes another person by just "putting on" humanity. So you are actually being deceptive in your calling it trinitarianism when it really isn't.

reply to post by truejew

I don't recall saying that speaking in tongues was "gibberish".

So, what are you talking about, then?
Do you have people in your church who are from some other country who don't know a single word of English, who get the spirit and are immediately perfectly understood by people who only understand English, praising God, even though they think that they are speaking in their normal language?

reply to post by truejew

Now you are saying repentance and praise to Jesus is "satanic" and "self-induced hysteria". I would not want to be in your shoes at judgement.

For all your "tongues" ability with the spirit, you seem to have a problem understanding English.
What I said was that if there is a "satan" element, it would be through the actions of the cult leader by encouraging frantic hysterical behavior by calling it "holy".

reply to post by NOTurTypical

He didn't say that. God the Father is the Father, God His Son is Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is also God and at times was sent by the Father, and in the NT was sent by Jesus.

There is no term "God the Son" or "God the Spirit" in the New Testament.
The NT says that there is one God, and one lord, Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

He didn't say that. God the Father is the Father, God His Son is Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is also God and at times was sent by the Father, and in the NT was sent by Jesus.

There is no term "God the Son" or "God the Spirit" in the New Testament.
The NT says that there is one God, and one lord, Jesus Christ.

I believe there is One God, the Father, and One Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew

 

Now you are saying repentance and praise to Jesus is "satanic" and "self-induced hysteria". I would not want to be in your shoes at judgement.

For all your "tongues" ability with the spirit, you seem to have a problem understanding English.
What I said was that if there is a "satan" element, it would be through the actions of the cult leader by encouraging frantic hysterical behavior by calling it "holy".

No he doesn't have a problem with English. When you mention something that negates his theology he deflects.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

What you are describing is not trinitarianism.
You are pretending that it is, but it isn't.
The New Testament says that there is one God, and there is one lord, Jesus Christ.
These are two persons of the godhead, where one is the Father, normally understood as the person being referred to when you use the name, God.
Jesus is understood as a divine person who is a member of the godhead who emptied himself of his god power when he became a man on earth, born of a woman.
What you call trinitarianism, is really a form of Sabellian modalism, where God becomes another person by just "putting on" humanity. So you are actually being deceptive in your calling it trinitarianism when it really isn't.

No, what Trinitarianism states is that The Son of God put on flesh at the incarnation.

reply to post by jmdewey60


You seem to be struggling with the doctrine of the Trinity, here is a good explanation of it:

2. Trinity:
There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 14:7.)

3. Father:
God the eternal Father is the Creator, Source, Sustainer, and Sovereign of all creation. He is just and holy, merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. The qualities and powers exhibited in the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revelations of the Father. (Gen. 1:1; Rev. 4:11; 1 Cor. 15:28; John 3:16; 1 John 4:8; 1 Tim. 1:17; Ex. 34:6, 7; John 14:9.)

4. Son:
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. By His miracles He manifested God's power and was attested as God's promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things. (John 1:1-3, 14; Col. 1:15-19; John 10:30; 14:9; Rom. 6:23; 2 Cor. 5:17-19; John 5:22; Luke 1:35; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 2:9-18; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; Heb. 8:1, 2; John 14:1-3.)

5. Holy Spirit:
God the eternal Spirit was active with the Father and the Son in Creation, incarnation, and redemption. He inspired the writers of Scripture. He filled Christ's life with power. He draws and convicts human beings; and those who respond He renews and transforms into the image of God. Sent by the Father and the Son to be always with His children, He extends spiritual gifts to the church, empowers it to bear witness to Christ, and in harmony with the Scriptures leads it into all truth. (Gen. 1:1, 2; Luke 1:35; 4:18; Acts 10:38; 2 Peter 1:21; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:11, 12; Acts 1:8; John 14:16-18, 26; 15:26, 27; 16:7-13.)

www.adventist.org - Fundamental Beliefs

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

I didn't sin against Colbe. And I do trust Christ as my Savior, and I do proclaim that He is the Lord.

So again, answer the questions.

1. What convicts of sin?
2. What causes us to put our trust in Christ as Savior?
3. How do we proclaim Christ is the Lord?

Again, you show a lack of those things by fighting for sin and rejecting Christ's teachings.

You're deflecting again.

Answer the question, how can anyone do the things above without the Holy Spirit? When the Bible says those things are because of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Again, you do not have/do those things.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God.

You may think that, but most Christians don't.
Christians generally believe in the Trinity, where the person we think of as "God" is the Father, and Jesus is another person of the godhead who is the Son.
What you are doing is trying to promote a Oneness doctrine, something that the New Testament does not teach.

edit on 3-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

Trinitarians teach that Jesus is only one god person out of three. According to Adjensen's teaching on John1:1-2 God refers to the Father and Jesus isn't God.

He didn't say that. God the Father is the Father, God His Son is Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is also God and at times was sent by the Father, and in the NT was sent by Jesus.

He did say that since Jesus was with God He could not have been God.

Originally posted by truejew
He did say that since Jesus was with God He could not have been God.

No, that isn't what I said. Stop lying about what other people say, what "fruits of the spirit" does your constant lying prove?

God is in three persons. This allows for what John says -- "Jesus (the Word) was with God", and "Jesus (the Word) was God."

Modalism makes that a mess -- "Jesus was with Jesus. Jesus was Jesus."

Only trinitarianism makes any sense of John 1:1-2.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew

 

I don't recall saying that speaking in tongues was "gibberish".

So, what are you talking about, then?
Do you have people in your church who are from some other country who don't know a single word of English, who get the spirit and are immediately perfectly understood by people who only understand English, praising God, even though they think that they are speaking in their normal language?

edit on 3-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Who says the tongues has to be English. There are other languages.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
He did say that since Jesus was with God He could not have been God.

No, that isn't what I said. Stop lying about what other people say, what "fruits of the spirit" does your constant lying prove?

God is in three persons. This allows for what John says -- "Jesus (the Word) was with God", and "Jesus (the Word) was God."

Modalism makes that a mess -- "Jesus was with Jesus. Jesus was Jesus."

Only trinitarianism makes any sense of John 1:1-2.

So are you saying Jesus was with Jesus?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew

 

I don't recall saying that speaking in tongues was "gibberish".

So, what are you talking about, then?
Do you have people in your church who are from some other country who don't know a single word of English, who get the spirit and are immediately perfectly understood by people who only understand English, praising God, even though they think that they are speaking in their normal language?

edit on 3-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Who says the tongues has to be English. There are other languages.

Then why does Gary Reckart say that baptisms in the name of anyone other than "gee-zus" are not necessarily valid?