Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

The gift of tongues is not the same thing. Not all have the gift of tongues, but all speak in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44-45 KJV
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


How did the Jews know that the Gentiles, who they did not think could be added to their Jewish movement, were filled with the Holy Spirit?


Acts 10:46-48 KJV
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


I hope you and your daughter have a happy day.

Thank you so much! I have a very special party planned for her...I bought her lots of presents but one very special one, a little sapphire necklace to match the sapphires in my engagement ring (I'm divorced from an extremely abusive and murderous addict and engaged to a wonderful and good hearted police officer and son of a minister

), and I have an awesome cake made and we're going shipping at Justice (a little girls' clothing store) and getting mini makeovers and playing dress up at Club Tabby (a little salon/store for little girls)...is gonna be great!!

TJ, that was two millennia ago. As I explained, the speaking of tongues was and is a gift that is not bestowed to all who receive the Holy Spirit...it wasn't even that way in the Bible. And speaking in tongues is not the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit for everyone...perhaps some but not EVERYONE. The passage you cited above does not apply to everyone over the past two millennia.

Shouldn't we expect to have the same experience when receiving the Holy Spirit that they had in Scripture when receiving the Holy Spirit? Otherwise, how do we know we received the same gift?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

The gift of tongues is not the same thing. Not all have the gift of tongues, but all speak in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44-45 KJV
[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.


How did the Jews know that the Gentiles, who they did not think could be added to their Jewish movement, were filled with the Holy Spirit?


Acts 10:46-48 KJV
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


I hope you and your daughter have a happy day.

Thank you so much! I have a very special party planned for her...I bought her lots of presents but one very special one, a little sapphire necklace to match the sapphires in my engagement ring (I'm divorced from an extremely abusive and murderous addict and engaged to a wonderful and good hearted police officer and son of a minister

), and I have an awesome cake made and we're going shipping at Justice (a little girls' clothing store) and getting mini makeovers and playing dress up at Club Tabby (a little salon/store for little girls)...is gonna be great!!

TJ, that was two millennia ago. As I explained, the speaking of tongues was and is a gift that is not bestowed to all who receive the Holy Spirit...it wasn't even that way in the Bible. And speaking in tongues is not the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit for everyone...perhaps some but not EVERYONE. The passage you cited above does not apply to everyone over the past two millennia.

Shouldn't we expect to have the same experience when receiving the Holy Spirit that they had in Scripture when receiving the Holy Spirit? Otherwise, how do we know we received the same gift?

Unfortunately, no. They received the Holy Spirit in specific ways at specific times at different points in the Bible, and the Holy Spirit presented itself in different ways to serve the purpose at hand. You're focusing on one instance of manifestation of the Holy Spirit when there are many others in Scripture.

I wish we could expect to all have the same experience when receiving the Holy Spirit. I wish we all had the same experience when receiving the Holy Spirit. But it just doesn't happen that way...but that's okay, God has his reasons for not giving every person the same experience when being filled with the Holy Spirit. I can't speak to what His reasons are, I can only guess...but He works the way He works and He doesn't give every single person the exact same experiences but that's totally okay.

We know we received the same gift because our hearts recognize the Holy Spirit. My heart and soul recognize the Holy Spirit, as I'm sure yours do as well, and that's something to celebrate! We've been redeemed by the greatest love of all, the love of God...what more could we ask for? I don't need signs to know He lives and is in my heart...I know His love, what other sign do I need?

Good night, TJ! TTYL

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by jcutler12888

 

When a person is speaking in tongues with the spirit of repentance and praise to Jesus, it is very clear that it is from God and not "satanically-induced".

TJ, have you ever considered that some people who speak in tongues may be FAKING it for a number of reasons, such as self-glorification? And if faking a miracle from God (especially to glorify oneself) isn't Satanically induced, then what is?

When real speaking in tongues occurs, it comes with a spirit of repentance, submission and praise to Jesus. A true minister of Christ can tell the difference.

Originally posted by jcutler12888
You're focusing on one instance of manifestation of the Holy Spirit when there are many others in Scripture.

I am focusing on all the Instances of someone receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2, Acts 10, Acts 19.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Snsoc

 

Excellent thread, S/F, for if and when you come back. Even if it was just a fly-by thread, it's important information, and accurate.

That sort of Protestant that claims Catholics are not Christians are the WORST sort of religious people. They and their ridiculous 'bring on Armageddon' and their "Rapture" are the furthest thing from 'Christian' that can exist. The one exception might be Westboro, of the 'Churches' operating in the USA. Even the rapture crowd says that Westboro is a hate group - yet they refuse to see how they themselves mimic Westboro!!

Honestly, some days I get so fired up about the Evangelical nonsense that I wish their stupid "Rapture" would make them all disappear. Somehow I think the world would be a much better, more peaceful place. And they can all go party with the dictator, hating "Man Upstairs" that is a fiction anyway. He broke it, let HIM fix it! Just save the rest of us from them, please!

Which is it? Are you going to see the heresy of divided Protestantism or convert to the Truth, the Faith?

I would be happy to see no more anti-Catholic threads with your name on them.

Jesus wants you to become Roman Catholic wildtimes. Truly, truly, He does so pray about it.

The most Holy Eucharist is true, if you could just believe.

reply to post by truejew

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

Are you serious?
"Spoken in tongues" as in this weird sort of rambling gibberish some people make when they are probably having some sort of seizure?
How in the world could you equate that with the Holy Spirit?
That is not even in the weird-enough stories in the New Testament fictional book, Acts of the Apostles.

reply to post by truejew

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

According to the story told in Acts, that was one particular group, on one particular day, and they were not doing glossolalia. They may have not even been "speaking in tongues", but people may have been listening to a spiritual translation in their heads.

reply to post by truejew

Acts 10:46-48 KJV
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

The word "with" is supplied in the translation, where in the original Greek, it would say just speaking languages.
Peter and some people from Joppa, who were Jews, went to Caesarea, where there would have been a lot of non-Jews from different areas with different languages, and according to this story, the Christian Jews were probably hearing these people who had heard their message, praising God in their own dialect, along with whatever those people's original language was, which would have served the purpose of convincing the Jews that they were witnessing the same phenomenon that they had experienced themselves at an earlier date.

reply to post by truejew

When a person is speaking in tongues with the spirit of repentance and praise to Jesus, it is very clear that it is from God and not "satanically-induced".

"Satan" would come through the mind of the cult leader who encourages this sort of behavior and then attributes it to God when in reality it is nothing more than a form of self-induced hysteria.

reply to post by truejew

Shouldn't we expect to have the same experience when receiving the Holy Spirit that they had in Scripture when receiving the Holy Spirit? Otherwise, how do we know we received the same gift?

Odd that you find this sort of thing in Acts, a fictional story written as an idealized kind of historical account (sometimes even from a first-person point of view), and not any of the rest of the New Testament.
The author of Acts added these bits to dramatize the story so that the reader can have a tangible thing to follow that indicates where the hand of God is moving, but real persons in real life experiences need no such literary device to indicate that, since we are real live feeling human beings who are living the experience and can feel God's presence in our lives and how it changes us.

reply to post by truejew


I didn't sin against Colbe. And I do trust Christ as my Savior, and I do proclaim that He is the Lord.

So again, answer the questions.

1. What convicts of sin?
2. What causes us to put our trust in Christ as Savior?
3. How do we proclaim Christ is the Lord?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by truejew

 

I have friends and family who are Catholic and Protestant too. I have info on the beliefs of over 300 different Catholic/Protestant groups along with their articles of faith books. I would say that I have studied them well.

Any Baptist church that baptizes in the name of Christ is going against their articles of faith and is not truly baptist.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your info is greatly flawed and a load of hogwash. Would you care to site the Baptist "articles of faith"?

Anyone who does differently than the great commission given in Acts 2, is not baptizing by water correctly.

Any certain Baptist group or would any do?

Here is from The National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. will that be ok?

XIV. Baptism and the Lord's Supper.
We believe the Scriptures teach that Christian baptism is the immersion in water of a believer, into the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Ghost; to show forth in a solemn and beautiful emblem, our faith in the crucified, buried, and risen Savior, with its effect, in our death to sin and resurrection to a new life; that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a church relation; and to the Lord's Supper, in which the members of the church, by the sacred use of bread and wine, are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ; preceded always by solemn self-examination.

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Yes, and what is his name? There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God. For anyone to not know who he is they have to be completely bereft of the Holy Spirit which is why they are getting no revelations. Hence why Jesus said things like "I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you" and Proverbs 30:4 which Jesus says is him in John 3:13 and John the Baptist gives his testimony in John 3:31 and Jesus's statement "walk with the Light while you have the Light, so that you may become sons of the Light".

I was baptized by a Baptist preacher in the name of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you should stop reading and actually go attend a baptism done by Baptists instead of relying on the internet.

reply to post by colbe

Which is it? Are you going to see the heresy of divided Protestantism or convert to the Truth, the Faith?

I would be happy to see no more anti-Catholic threads with your name on them.

Colbe, I would be happy if you would stop posting libelous things about me. I don't post ONLY anti-Catholic threads, and strangely enough, some of my most fave ATS members, with whom I discuss things regularly ARE Catholics.

You can't - nor can I - force me to believe things I simply don't have the capacity to believe. WHY are you so preoccupied with me? I post all sorts of things. You post ONLY channeled messages that are meaningless fantasies from delusional "seers", and posts that Falsely Accuse me.

Why is that? (This is the second time in 24 hours that you have claimed this about me - as I said in the other case:
"Woops! Colbe, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS." Shame on you. Twice.

reply to post by truejew

All who receive the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts, spoke in tongues. It was the initial evidence.

sigh.

The phrase "speaking in tongues" means not emitting gibberish, as you'd like to believe, and Jesus Camp teaches -- nono. It means that when the person speaks, people of EVERY LANGUAGE hear what is said IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.

:shk:

Originally posted by colbe
I would be happy to see no more anti-Catholic threads with your name on them.

You are the one who posts threads that fight against the Catholic church, colbe. Every one of your threads that posts fake visionary messages is doing what the Church told you not to do. In your words .... we would be happy to see no more anti-Catholic church threads with your name on them.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God.

You may think that, but most Christians don't.
Christians generally believe in the Trinity, where the person we think of as "God" is the Father, and Jesus is another person of the godhead who is the Son.
What you are doing is trying to promote a Oneness doctrine, something that the New Testament does not teach.

Originally posted by wildtimes
"Woops! Colbe, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS." Shame on you. Twice.

Stand in line.
I'm still waiting for an apology from Colbe for his/her lies against me on this thread
Colbe, stop telling people to become Catholic until you actually become one yourself
and stop fighting against the teachings and magisterium of the Church. Ya' know??

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

There's a reason why Christians say that Jesus is our God.

You may think that, but most Christians don't.
Christians generally believe in the Trinity, where the person we think of as "God" is the Father, and Jesus is another person of the godhead who is the Son.
What you are doing is trying to promote a Oneness doctrine, something that the New Testament does not teach.

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Jesus is God to Trinitarians. God manifest in the flesh.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew

 

They do not have the Holy Spirit. They have not spoke in tongues. They do not have the fruit of the Spirit.

Are you serious?
"Spoken in tongues" as in this weird sort of rambling gibberish some people make when they are probably having some sort of seizure?
How in the world could you equate that with the Holy Spirit?
That is not even in the weird-enough stories in the New Testament fictional book, Acts of the Apostles.

I don't recall saying that speaking in tongues was "gibberish".

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew

 

When a person is speaking in tongues with the spirit of repentance and praise to Jesus, it is very clear that it is from God and not "satanically-induced".

"Satan" would come through the mind of the cult leader who encourages this sort of behavior and then attributes it to God when in reality it is nothing more than a form of self-induced hysteria.

Now you are saying repentance and praise to Jesus is "satanic" and "self-induced hysteria". I would not want to be in your shoes at judgement.