The Crucifixion: A Medical Perspective

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by windword

 

He was dying, but he was doing it slowly. He needed to be in the ground before dusk and dusk was approaching so they did a coup de grace on him so they could get him in the hole faster to keep from defiling the Passover.

According the bible, he was stabbed sometime around 3pm, it wasn't getting dark yet.

The urgency to take Jesus down, due to the approaching high holy day, was a ruse by Joseph, to rescue Jesus BEFORE he actually did die. He succeeded, and saved Jesus' life.

Nice try but my Jesus is Yahweh thread dispels him being nothing but a prophet.

Such pride and arrogance. Your thread may be gold in your eyes, but it most certainly didn't dispel the fact that Jesus isn't god or prove that Jesus is one in the same as the god of the old testament. He certainly isn't.

reply to post by MagnumOpus
I have a question for you ....What body of writings do you think tells the truth about Jesus ...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

True christians know who their God is because he gives us that revelation. If you don't know who God is i'd say you got some soul searching to do.

Nice try but my Jesus is Yahweh thread dispels him being nothing but a prophet theory.

edit on 29-4-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

I think we've all seen you Jesus is a Volcano god thing.

And most true Christians know the story of Moses and his Jethro Volcano god thing. True Christians only recognize Nature's ways as symbolic of God, and we deal with reality and nature well.

Most of the real Christians laugh at your insights, and call it false and misleading.

What else would one expect of the church of the End-Times but faked up doctor stories and more faked up names for Jesus as a volcano god.

I read your theme and put it where it belonged----in the garbage can.

reply to post by windword
well I have read the Gospels and they speak about Jesus having a resurrected body so its hard to say what that new body is but it is something like we haven't encountered before ..according to the information recorded by the people that witnessed it , it ain't a standard human body ...Now you can think what you want to about it based on what ever you feel you need to to explain it to you but I must tell you that there are a body of believers that think it was a resurrected body ...and they have written accounts by people that claim to have been there ...There is no way every one is going to believe it but to those that do,God claims that He gives them to become the children of God . It is claimed that Jesus ate with them days after His dead body was taken down and put into the grave ..

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

I have a question for you ....What body of writings do you think tells the truth about Jesus ...

There isn't one. The only way to come close to understanding it is to become a broadly read student of the old world. That means read of the Pythagoras issues of the Mystery Schools interests. Read of the Hippocrates issues of old world medicines and how they learned these methods. Seach out all about the Essenes, the Therapute. Look at all the old Books, not just the 66 that were cherry picked for Constantine.

One also has to learn how to read the narritive with insights to when they speak with allergory methods. Art and symbolism help in the search for areas to read. Jonah is a story written in allegory. It isn't true in the literal sense.


The simple truths is that are there a no great miracles, just embellished stories with allegory expressions about the ways of Nature. Often some spectacular ways of nature. Lots of the common things of today, would be seen as major miracles back in the Jerusalem days. Even the healing methods were miracles in Jerusalem's lower educated, but common place in Hippocrates studies.

One reads where the areas of higher learning were happening in the old world. One reads of the past games of man to make himself god. Then you can progress to the actual understanding that Jesus and the Essene could read of the Talmud, and the ways of allegorical expressions on natures's ways as god.

reply to post by the2ofusr1


If Jesus was standing next to his dead body, if his dead body had been in the tomb, I might be more impressed. If he sprouted angelic wings, I would understand better why your believe this human sacrifice story.

But the way I read this story, a frail, hungry Jesus survived his crucifixion event.

reply to post by MagnumOpus
Sounds like you are a very well read person ...Sounds like you should know a lot of things ...Sounds like you are wasting your time trying to convince Christians to not believe what they have come to believe in ....Sounds like you are not here to teach Christians anything about their faith but what you think the should and should not believe ...Christians have faith in the God of Abraham ,of Isaac ,and of Jacob ..Christians have faith in Jesus Christ .....I think you need to find the group that believes along the line of what you and maybe others have come to understand and teach them ...You see Christians hear His voice and we follow Him and no one can take us from Him ..He is mightier than all and no one can take the true believer away from Him ....If it were possible He would not be God ..or at least not a all knowing ,all powerful one ...You can say what ever you like and what you want but a true Christian will not by it ...The only Christians that will believe a lie will be the false Christians ..and the non believers ..Its not a complicated issue ...no need to read all that ancient literature. no need for secret writings ...The true God has made it easy for true seekers find Him ...

reply to post by windword
Well Christians believe He died ,was buried ,and rose from the dead ,,,those that believe that are called Christians, and those that do not are not Christians ...its a simple issue of belief ...not all will believe but some will.and the ones that believe God promises them eternal life and that they will not suffer the second death ...you or any one else has the free will to believe it or not ...sounds fair to me ..and it seems like it sounds fair to you ...we just happen to take opposit positions and there for have diffrent ends ...that is all ...

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It's unfortunate the way some Christians alienate themselves and others with repetitive rhetoric. While I don't agree that all Christians believe in the resurrection, I am happy to declare that I'm not a Christian.

It took many, many years to come to that point. Like Magnumopus, I have read many books, but not so much on ancient medicine, and my mathematical understanding is somewhat abstract, but I have studied Pythagoras, the mystery schools, alternative theology and mythology and Jewish mysticism.

My abandonment of Christianity was the result of much soul seeking, meditation and prayer. I have met "Jesus" and that is why I can no longer, in good faith, call myself a Christian.

reply to post by windword


You met him?

would you mind elaborating on that?

reply to post by Akragon


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Deja Vu anyone?

Also in dreams and visions. But Jesus isn't the only one.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And that wasn't the only time.

reply to post by windword


Ah ha, right...

I do remember that now that i see it... Its almost like a smack in the face when i hear that from some one, i always have to react...

I believe its because i have never once seen anything supernatural.... no ghosts, no spirits, no angels...

Perhaps im jealous

my bad...

reply to post by windword

According the bible, he was stabbed sometime around 3pm, it wasn't getting dark yet.

That's not true, Christ "gave up the ghost" at the 9th hour of the day (3 pm), and the Jews went to Pilate to inquire about breaking the legs of the thieves "at even time" (6 pm).

Christ was already hanging dead for 3 hours by that point. "The Jews" were the Jewish Authorities present at the crucifixion. They had viewed Christ slumped & not breathing for 3 hours straight and sought Pilate to have the others deaths hastened to follow Jewish custom.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

True christians know who their God is because he gives us that revelation. If you don't know who God is i'd say you got some soul searching to do.

Nice try but my Jesus is Yahweh thread dispels him being nothing but a prophet theory.

edit on 29-4-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

I think we've all seen you Jesus is a Volcano god thing.

And most true Christians know the story of Moses and his Jethro Volcano god thing. True Christians only recognize Nature's ways as symbolic of God, and we deal with reality and nature well.

Most of the real Christians laugh at your insights, and call it false and misleading.

What else would one expect of the church of the End-Times but faked up doctor stories and more faked up names for Jesus as a volcano god.

I read your theme and put it where it belonged----in the garbage can.

No True Scotsman fallacy.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


No True Scotsman fallacy.

Ah yes, more of your Mason problems because your family rejects you and you hate them. It is that hate that appears in all your efforts. For you, the Masons are evil, your family is evil, and anything a Mason might have read is evil.

Everyone knows the Jesus teaching of god theme was supposed to replace the concept of Yahweh, because the Essene and Jesus read the issues with the best understanding. Jesus sought to teach the better understanding, not to become Yahweh. Jesus showed people the way toward the better understanding of the concept for god. This is one more example of a screwed up concept of organized religion that doesn't seek truth.

It is this sort of nonsense that makes the overboard Christians appear as ignorant, ill informed, and the corrupters of religion. Plus, that ignorace gets US soldiers killed in the Middle East every day, and for those Christians that burn Islam's Holy book that guantees soliders die and Christians die.

The teaching of what Yahweh was comes from those capturing bits of the history about the various gods in the old days. Moses and Jethro's games were about volcanic and techtonic forces.

Everyone knows that the Moses Burning Bush is an allegory about a bush and acid releases, which are common in rift areas.

When people teach untruthful things---even on the tree nailing--it becomes all the more reason to ban Christianity in total, even Jesus. When the message has become too difficult for the world to grasp clearly, then Christian religioin serves no good purpose. Other than some to enrich themselves, and that is all the church is about these days. We tax other productions and drama, and this religion production of threater needs to pay taxes like everone else.

It comes time to Legislate against Churches, tax their property and their money, get them out of the business of governments role in their various games. As the world merges with science and other higher knowledge, the faked up role of religion doesn't serve the betterment of mankind.

What has become of Jesus religion is just pagan nonsense now, which the world would be better off without.

All the parts of the world that never even heard of this faked up Christianity have been better off without the Pagan's.

Rename Sunday to be Truthday, or return to nature day. Folks don't need church for fellowship. We can do without Easter and Christmas as holidays. We can even change the year datum to one of the time the world got over religion's nonsense and intelligent thinking came to the human condition.

Lots of people don't go to church these days, and are much happier with their time better spent.

I don't miss ignorance of the churches, and those that walk out of the mind control games don't either.


Those that gave up on the fake need to go to church get to go hiking, camping, boating, sking and do fun things that don't oppress the body, but returns man to nature's appreciation. One then learns to stay in shape, get exercise, and enjoy life and longevity. We study the issues of health via natures processes.

We simply appreciate nature, rather than hide in some building and watch some fake drama about going to hell unless you give us more money.

Read through this whole thread, and man, typical responses from NUT.

Let me ask you, what is the point of this thread?

If Jesus died at the cross, so be it, and if he didn't then so be it.

You are arguing about something, which in the grand scheme of things, does not even matter.

The member Wild raised some very valid questions, without any proper answers ever given.

The amount of judgement, and judgemental attitudes, and comments in this thread, is sickening, especially coming from Christians.

wow.

vvv

Thus, So called Christianity is dead. It doesn't provide any real good. It is a drama production that most of the world rejects as of no value.

Folks that go hiking fare better with getting close to nature. These folks learn the natural ways and stay healthier and happier. They get exercise and truth from being closer to nature. They see true things of beauty.

Churches don't contain an ounce of nature, really, not even truth these days. Those that free themselves don't even have to consider some faked up concept of some guy long ago that died on a tree, because they know life and see the life forces that one can't find in any church.

Christianity is dead, and it worships death and not life and the beauties of nature.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Ah yes, more of your Mason problems because your family rejects you and you hate them.

I don't hate my family, I hate freemasonry. I love my family, I hate no people.

Dude, get on the topic of the thread. This isn't about Moses, magical Volcano gods, or MYSELF. I'm tired of telling you to get on topic. Either post about Christ's crucifixion and the medical implications or leave the thread.

You're trolling.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by MagnumOpus


What else would one expect of the church of the End-Times but faked up doctor stories and more faked up names for Jesus as a volcano god.

No True Scotsman fallacy.

There are those that say Scotsman fallacy tossed out by you, isn't on theme.

I was speaking of your faked up doctor stories, clearly.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

I hate freemasonry.

Perhaps you need to stay on topic.