Q&A Session with John Lear

Originally posted by Kano
Partykid, would you rather we just not challenge anyone? Accepting whatever random stories people would like to make up and tell us?

Well, at least he's known to people, and he has his contacts, which i can't say about skepticlord or you. You just know how to debunk and deny stuff. IMO. Discussion was never made as facts, it was John's opinon! Forget it, i think you don't count cradible unless you see some footage. Guess what, reality is in secret by government, you probably won't get any real footage on it. *dooh*

Kano

Nobody has to accept anything, its how one responds that makes the difference.

ScepticOverlord had nothing constructive to add, yet came out and basically attacked John Lear.

As a moderator, I would have thought that he would have had more tact than what was shown.

I also hope this does not turn into a "moderator buddy-support " thread.
ScepticOverlord managed to kill the thread. Start your own thread.

John Lear is a fantastic person, i doubt that you can find a more credible person than he is, of course, no one can provide evidence, but he provide us factual information on people he worked with, places he is seen, and so on. And yes, scepticoverlord or whatever his name was killed the thread completely, I would like you to see get credible people on ATS for a discussion and then see it as it gets debunked by some "moderators". Fantastic.

The MODs have not killed this thread, The MODs asked NO more of JL, than they would anyone else.

Just because something doesnt go the way YOU want, doesnt mean the MODS killed the thread. YOU are killing the thread!

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
The MODs have not killed this thread, The MODs asked NO more of JL, than they would anyone else.

Just because something doesnt go the way YOU want, doesnt mean the MODS killed the thread. YOU are killing the thread!

WRONG! Because of some moderators, John is not posting here no more and that killed the thread!!! Also, try to get a credible person on ATS for a discussion UFO/ET subject related. I want to see that!

It's not about the thread anyway, it's about how moderators treat special guests (and users).

The thread is dead. Do yourself a favour and go and read what was said. Then decide who killed it.

Originally posted by partykid

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
The MODs have not killed this thread, The MODs asked NO more of JL, than they would anyone else.

Just because something doesnt go the way YOU want, doesnt mean the MODS killed the thread. YOU are killing the thread!

WRONG! Because of some moderators, John is not posting here no more and that killed the thread!!! Also, try to get a credible person on ATS for a discussion UFO/ET subject related. I want to see that!

It's not about the thread anyway, it's about how moderators treat special guests (and users).

NO, no, no absolutely wrong!!! If they are credible...there should be no problem in defending their stance, not only that but considering the subject, they/he should be used to it! Plain and simple. You should not have to coddle someone and handle them with kids gloves! If that is the case...there is a problem somewhere!

Originally posted by partykid

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
The MODs have not killed this thread, The MODs asked NO more of JL, than they would anyone else.

Just because something doesnt go the way YOU want, doesnt mean the MODS killed the thread. YOU are killing the thread!

WRONG! Because of some moderators, John is not posting here no more and that killed the thread!!! Also, try to get a credible person on ATS for a discussion UFO/ET subject related. I want to see that!

It's not about the thread anyway, it's about how moderators treat special guests (and users).

If he is not posting its on him, cant he follow the rules?

Did he think we where going to follow like blind sheep? Of course we are going to questions him. Thats what we do here!

Then there would only be four or five posters on this site.
There is a lot of BS on this site, bu what it does is stimulate thought and ideas. If someone does not find the thread interesting, they look for somthing else.

The John Lear discussion stimulated a lot of responses (apart from the few that had nothing to say but be obnoxious and rude)

In my view that is a good thing. It seems the mods have their own agenda. Was JL cutting to close to the bone? ( I don't think so)

Brad

Originally posted by billybob
excellent. we can't even discuss soul suckers on the moon without the long arm of the infolaw sqeulching it because it is 'organised deception'
guy can't even start his own religion anymore.
i think it was clearly stated in the beginning that everything is awash in disinfo and the statements are the opinion of the guest. where is the deception? can a man not say what he believes without the onus of proof? i can't prove there is a christ, yet i HAVE had a deeply religious experience(two actually) involving the one and only jesus christ. yet i believe the bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions.
was it really a grey? or a satellite transmission tuned to my vibrational frequency? maybe.
was it just my mind playing tricks on me? maybe.
the catholic church is the biggest organised deception on earth. we let catholics spout there rhetoric here, why not our famous guest?

i'll see you on the dark side of the moon -pink floyd.

My goodness people! This isn't a "chat" board....if it were I would not be here....I grew very tired of the "what's your bathroom look like" "What's your favorite reality show" crap! This is a conspiracy to board and one for learning hence the motto, "Deny Ignorance" if you want a board that is just to throw your ideas out there with no one questioning or voicing their own ideas on it also......a different type of board is in order.


To the person who actually said JL is a fantastic person!!? How do you know? Do you know his morals? Do you know "what" kind of person he is? I doubt it......all you know is what he has told you about UFOs and his work experience.....nothing about his personal ethics...Sounded a bit like hero worship!

Originally posted by LadyV



My goodness people! This isn't a "chat" board....if it were I would not be here....I grew very tired of the "what's your bathroom look like" "What's your favorite reality show" crap!

This isn't a chat, it is a unique discussion session with a cradible person.

This is a conspiracy to board and one for learning hence the motto, "Deny Ignorance" if you want a board that is just to throw your ideas out there with no one questioning or voicing their own ideas on it also......a different type of board is in order.

In the matter of fact, if you didn't know, ATS is full of BS thrown ideas. I would say most of it is crap. And i wouldnt call J.Lear BS, because he has his contacts, he has his known military personally, in fact, he has their stories for real and based on them he provides us with information. You must be thankfull, not "this is another bs thread", what i mean is, what is more credible - picture of something unknown that basically looks like a street lamp or a Q&A discussion session with a man who has his lifestory and actual connection to UFO/ET subject. There is no need to guess.

To the person who actually said JL is a fantastic person!!? How do you know? Do you know his morals? Do you know "what" kind of person he is? I doubt it......all you know is what he has told you about UFOs and his work experience.....nothing about his personal ethics...Sounded a bit like hero worship!

I studied JL's lifeline, and yes, he has been working for CIA, he has his contacts related straightly to UFO/ET matter. Hero worship? At least it's more interesting and intriguing than default " im 13 and im working in area51" And at last but not least, get over it, this is getting nowhere, you believe otherwise, i don't believe J.Lear statements too, but at least it has some connection in reality and real military/government people involved.

Originally posted by partykid
John Lear is a fantastic person, i doubt that you can find a more credible person than he is

I guess you are just clearing up any last chance of objective thinking on your part with respect to this situation.

Lets see, your Idol came here and started posting things (as facts, not opinions) such as 'the moon has an atmosphere'.

Now, those with even the most fundamental understanding of the related concepts can immediately see the ridiculous nature of that statement. If the moon had an atmosphere, that couldn't be kept secret. Its that simple.

It seems there are a few people who would rather nod along with John Lears stories instead of trying to figure out how truthful they are. But that is not what ATS is all about. If you want to read stories, go to a library, if you want to question, and learn the truth, come to ATS.

Although he is gone at least he is willing to answer questions via email. Ive just had a few questions

Well guess what, we don't even know how space looks like, it's shown on TV. Maybe there are ET races flying all over the place. We don''t know that, because we haven't seen it with our own eyes, we have seen it from eyes which are presented to us by mass media. besides that, J.Lear as a fantastic person was ment, not in the whole, bot on ATS boards regarding UFO/ET matter. Anything else? THIS IS IMO. + offtopic: im, probably, going to leave ats, because of the bad treatment to users from moderators. I have been here for a week, and what i can say is, that 90% is just thoughts and opinions regarding UFO/ET matter, so what's wrong, and i once again repeat myself, this thread was never ment to be as the truth or fact statements. It is John Lear's opinion based on different people and life itself he has gone through.

Can you give a list of things that where said, that Makes you feel treated badly?

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Can you give a list of things that where said, that Makes you feel treated badly?

Not exactly, but on the whole i would say that users are treated badly and laughed at, for example, ive sent a u2u to a moderator which signature included, feel free to u2u me, he didn't answer at all, also i really hate that moderator opinion pressing on users, if moderator says its a hoas, it is a hoax. I have seen this several times. But that is of no matter anymore.

We are adults here. Is ATS a school with its "teachers"?

My understanding of a moderator is a person who controls trouble makers etc.

The whole point of the discussion was to see what JL had to say. Everybody involved, either directly or indirectly, do not have to be babied by the mods as to what we are are or not allowed to do here.

From what I see here is a couple of meglomaniacs who think they know all and in doing so control what us , idiots are allowed to see what is the Truth.

If someone gets out of hand, by all means ban, kick, spit at, or do what ever you have to.

I have registered a complaint and as far as I am concerned, I am finished wasting my time with you.

Hm, this makes me think of people who are sitting behind those monitors .. paid disinformation agents or something? IMO ATS is a disinformation itself of some sort. Probably, i will get a few warns for this

Terms of Service:

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

johnlear's violation of TOS:

Originally posted by johnlear
The moon was placed into orbit many thousands of years ago and serves as a base for an alien agenda. Yes there are underground labs and yes there are a lot of structures above ground both on the farside and the nearside. The moons gravity is 64% that of earths and there is an atmosphere equal to about 18,000 feet on earth. You can breath without supplemental oxygen but not for long. There are lakes and vegetation. And yes, there are structures, (the Apollo astronauts referred to them as 'constructs' in their debriefings). The best photos for looking for artifacts are the Lunar Orbiter series however most of these have been airbrushed. I was lucky enough to find one (LO II-162H) that was not airbrushed in 16x20 negative format. It was several years before I found a lab that could print a positive in 20x24 format but it was worth the wait. There is a building, a large ramp and several tanks (silos) with vapor coming out of the top and flowing down. I had the photo scanned in 5 sections at 7.5 megs each. I posted some of the sections containing the artifacts in my gallery (john lear) at the fantasticforum. Since I was limited to 2.5 megs and there was a further limitation in the posts at ff many cannot see the artifacts. But they are there.

Now, it makes no difference that my personal opinion is that the WHOLE POST is knowingly false information - because that is a matter of debate.

But the moon does not have an atmosphere equivalent to 18000 ft on earth.

PERIOD.

I can't help it that if by chance you have not been exposed to enough science to logically and independently look at this statement and say...you know, there's no farking way that could be true!

BUT, I have. And so have a few other people on this board - both mods and members.

And not a one of us (and I'm speaking as a member not a mod now) are going to stand by and let some one state THAT STATEMENT as a statement of FACT without challenge.

What an egregious act of negligence that would be to allow ANY ONE to poopoo in the middle of a room filled with people who are here to discuss things toward the goal of uncovering FACTS.

johnlear could have been BANNED for that one post right there. He wasn't. Guess what this means...he was given special treatment as a guest.

Get over yourselves and stop attacking the moderators of this site. As long as I have been here I have never ONCE witnessed them prevent the discussion of a topic. And your insinuations are disrespectful and reflect ingratitude...

you're here for free - realize it and act like it.

(corrected typo)

[edit on 9-18-2004 by Valhall]