Q&A Session with John Lear

I think it is good to have John onboard the ATS forum! He brings up some interesting theories, that really get the noodle thinking if you know what I mean. The idea that Aliens have access to our souls is horrifying to me, that they could do at a whim what they wish, such as delete anything they don't like. If this turns out to be true, then I believe it is our duty to shut down such an operation with whatever means necessary, and if the entails a war that we might lose than so be it.

These Aliens should know that we humans are a tricky lot and will do anything to survive, and given our almost "exponential" rate of advancement, I don't see us being thousands of years behind them, for all we know they hit their stride a long time ago.

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[edit on 16-9-2004 by Sigma]

Well, never actually having heard much about John Lear (Hello, I see you're posting) I have read this entire thread and all your posts here. Granted, there's much more out there you've written. I want to address some things I understand about your theories so far that collide with my own to help us all understand more about the 'big picture.'

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Alien technological assistance to humans:

All publicly-known technology used by the government is the product of traceable technological developments that are well-documented through inventors and patents. No matter the complexity of something as say, the hellfire missile, we can understand the principles of its design are well-founded in chemistry, aerodynamics, physics, and computer science. The technological arc from the stones thrown by slings up to the hellfire missile is well-recorded and identifiable, as is the arc from the first dug-out canoe to the US Space Shuttle. There is no identifiable or questionable material or technology in any publicly-known modern gadgets and the only technology of which we are not familiar is the state-of-the-art used in such projects as the Aurora. However once the Aurora is no longer supreme to the point that secrecy of the project provides no benefit, it will be revealed, and we can see how it's a culmination of the very science man has developed.

There is no 'mystery source' for the development of technology that can be identified as alien in nature. Great leaps in technology have all come from human beings. Element 115 has recently been created and found to hold none of the mysterious properties that the 'alien's' 115 element is supposed to have.

Having said that, besides completely secret projects that have not yet been revealed, can you name a single technology publicly known that is not indigenous to human creation? Aside from saying Tesla, Oppenheimer, Newton, Sikorsky, and other great scientists were actually disguised aliens, we have zero, zilch, nada proof that aliens of any sort have helped create the US military-industrial complex. The MIC is a natural outgrowth of society, economics, and technology, regardless of its benefits to mankind.

All of Nasa's achievements can be conclusively shown to be the fruit of natural human technological growth. All of them work on provable scientific methods that can be independently verified.

What technology in human life can be shown to be the product of alien technology?

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Gravity Phone

The fact that gravitational affects are FTL seems to be well-founded and the possible technological benefits are a sci-fi staple. What completely eludes any sci-fi writer is the process by which gravity is manipulated to use it as a communications soundboard or propulsion medium. "Well we throw in some Element 115 and voila" is not an explanation that can be appreciated without mumbo-jumbo and a huge leap of faith.

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Cattle mutilation and crop circles

Without even bothering with the fact that all the cattle mutilation photos I have seen where the ears, eyes, and genitals are mysteriously and strikingly 'surgically removed' can be attributed to the fact that scavengers first remove these parts because they are the most accessible, and the fact that crop circles are no more than one or two pranksters marching around a field with press-down devices, rope and some pre-designed geometric patterns...

Why in the hell would aliens that like to eat beef not slaughter the animals and consume them in a manner greater than that used by vermin and coyotes? And what possible motivation can be given to the creation of crop circles by aliens? Why, if aliens simply like beef, wouldn't they grab a few cows and steers and reproduce them in their own environment? They expended the energy to come thousands of light years, but they're not going to take any snacks along for the ride home, at least?

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I will post more thoughts, but would like to see if you have a response to these first. Thank you for your time.



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I like the idea of a gravity phone, but I think that a Quantum entanglement phone would work just aswell, if it proves that distance is of no consequence. Heh, if there are Aliens, we could give there mental capabilities a run for their money when we start augmenting our brains in a few years.

[edit on 16-9-2004 by Sigma]

John, still waiting on an answer to my question as to exactly how you were able to determine that the technology in the alien craft was 'thousands and thousands' or 'hundreds of thousands' of years ahead of modern human technology.

Additionally, I am curious about your statements made in this post (As well as elsewhere) regarding lunar gravity and atmosphere. You claim the currently accepted figure for lunar gravity at around 1/6th earth gravity is false, and that the real figure is 4x greater than that. You also claim that the moon indeed has an atmosphere, equivalent to that of earth at 18,000 feet.

The moon was placed into orbit many thousands of years ago and serves as a base for an alien agenda. Yes there are underground labs and yes there are a lot of structures above ground both on the farside and the nearside. The moons gravity is 64% that of earths and there is an atmosphere equal to about 18,000 feet on earth. You can breath without supplemental oxygen but not for long. There are lakes and vegetation.

Do you still stand by these statements? If so isn't it true that if the moon did indeed have an atmosphere, it would be very easily noticed by amateur astronomers world wide? As it is, the light from stars is not interfered with at all by the moon until being eclipsed by the lunar mass itself. If there was an atmosphere, there would be interference before the stars disappeared. Not to mention that the atmosphere would also be noticeable whenever the moon was on the sunward side of its earth orbit, illuminated by the sun.

How also do you explain the footage from the apollo missions showing dust behaving as it would in a vacuum, and showing zero signs of wind erosion on the lunar surface. Indeed how do you explain the lunar rock samples that were returned to earth that showed evidence of countless micrometeorite impacts, something that would not be possible if the moon had an atmosphere?

Moving on to the gravity, are you also proposing that the moon has a much bigger mass than was previously thought to give it this gravity? Also how do you address the footage from the Apollo missions that showed a much lower gravity than 64%? On top of all this, how do you address the point that there were a good few dozen successful landings and orbits of the moon by unmanned probes and so forth leading up to the Apollo missions, how did these (and the Apollo missions) cope with the 64% gravity when they were only expecting 16%? How about the more recent probes that have used the moon for a gravity assist on their journeys, how have they coped?

[edit on 16-9-2004 by Kano]

Interesting points, Kano. I too would really like to see John Lear's answer to those points, as well as to my own.

i dont know if this has been posted yet, but this site supposedly depicts the Lunar Orbiter III-84M photographs. very interesting


members.tripod.com...

also this site for the original.. you can zoom in if you have the correct latitude/longitude.

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...


[edit on 17-9-2004 by lost]

Originally posted by Kano
John, still waiting on an answer to my question as to exactly how you were able to determine that the technology in the alien craft was 'thousands and thousands' or 'hundreds of thousands' of years ahead of modern human technology.

Additionally, I am curious about your statements made in this post (As well as elsewhere) regarding lunar gravity and atmosphere. You claim the currently accepted figure for lunar gravity at around 1/6th earth gravity is false, and that the real figure is 4x greater than that. You also claim that the moon indeed has an atmosphere, equivalent to that of earth at 18,000 feet.

The moon was placed into orbit many thousands of years ago and serves as a base for an alien agenda. Yes there are underground labs and yes there are a lot of structures above ground both on the farside and the nearside. The moons gravity is 64% that of earths and there is an atmosphere equal to about 18,000 feet on earth. You can breath without supplemental oxygen but not for long. There are lakes and vegetation.

Do you still stand by these statements? If so isn't it true that if the moon did indeed have an atmosphere, it would be very easily noticed by amateur astronomers world wide? As it is, the light from stars is not interfered with at all by the moon until being eclipsed by the lunar mass itself. If there was an atmosphere, there would be interference before the stars disappeared. Not to mention that the atmosphere would also be noticeable whenever the moon was on the sunward side of its earth orbit, illuminated by the sun.

How also do you explain the footage from the apollo missions showing dust behaving as it would in a vacuum, and showing zero signs of wind erosion on the lunar surface. Indeed how do you explain the lunar rock samples that were returned to earth that showed evidence of countless micrometeorite impacts, something that would not be possible if the moon had an atmosphere?

Moving on to the gravity, are you also proposing that the moon has a much bigger mass than was previously thought to give it this gravity? Also how do you address the footage from the Apollo missions that showed a much lower gravity than 64%? On top of all this, how do you address the point that there were a good few dozen successful landings and orbits of the moon by unmanned probes and so forth leading up to the Apollo missions, how did these (and the Apollo missions) cope with the 64% gravity when they were only expecting 16%? How about the more recent probes that have used the moon for a gravity assist on their journeys, how have they coped?

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Regarding how far ahead of us they are it is an estimate on what it would take to build a propulsion unit similar to that which the aliens use which means go to another solar system to get naturally occuring element 115, an element that does not occur naturally on earth. Element 115 (stable) cannot be synthesized on earth. Then to bring it back to earth and machine it into a 233 gram piece about 1.0 inch by 2.5 inch arrowhead shape. Then to manufacture a tiny container about 6 inches tall that when, the 115 is bombarded by protons and one of them plugs in and becomes 116 which is unstable and instantaneously decays to 115 producing antimatter which is mixed with matter in the same 6 inch high container in a 100% efficient conversion of matter to energy (nuclear explosion) and the heat of this reaction converted to positive voltage to run the ship while at the same time accessing and amplifying the gravity A wave (currently labeled the strong nuclear force) which is present in all matter but only in naturally occuring element 115 so abundant that it can be accessed and amplified to warp or bend space/time. I don't really know. Maybe we can do it in a hundred years. But I doubt it.

You tell me what your figure is for the neutral gravity point between the earth and the moon in miles and we will then talk about the moons gravity. And the atmosphere.

As far as the dust on the moon, the pictures of the lunar rover wheels throwing dust clearly show dust falling much more rapidly than if it were 1/6th that of earth. This is clearly evident when the NASA slo-mo pictures of the lunar rover are speeded up to actual speed.

Haze is a product of many things occuring naturally and man-made on earth and it is not a good assumption that if it occurs on earth it should occur on the moon.

Regarding your point that there were "a good few dozen'" successful landing and orbits before Apollo...there were a number of catastrophic failures during ours and Russias first attempts simply because we 'assumed' gravity was 16% which was based on size alone.

Regarding the placement of the moon in near circular orbit and in rotational lock do you think that happened by accident?

And finally, remember that my statements are opinion of what I believe to be true. They are not knowingly false or intended to mislead the membership of ATS. My information comes from Bob Lazar who worked on these propulsion units at S-4 in an attempt to back engineer them to use materials available on earth.

John really started to get me thinking. If we are being "zapped" back and fourth to the moon and possibly reincarnated, couldn't we tap into the souls memories? If our souls are being short circuited or whatever you'd like to call it to suppress a former life, I would think there would be an opposite end of the spectrum. Maybe a way to recall the suppressed memories? I remember seeing a documentary on Atlantis and once this guy was put under hypnosis he could remember his former life where he lived as an Atlantian. I'd think this would be an interesting thing to follow up on. Give me some feedback whether you think it's crazy or what....

If ETs ride is so advanced, how did the chimps at 51 get their heads around it?
If ET is so advanced, surely it would know that there is no truth. Ever tried to hold onto truth? The moment you think you have it....it's slipped away.
If ET manipulates the Human condition, who or what manipulates ET? You don't think that sleazey ET is at the top of the food chain do you?
ET knows it too...eh?...you know it ......
Thats the flaw to the whole Alien 8 my baby scenario....y'all given the flight of fancy absolute power, and forgotten that it's a very big Universe. And that you are it.
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Hi John.

1. You mentioned erlier when replying to a question that the aliens wouldnt intervene if we went into a global nulear war with each other. Does that not mean that our souls arnt that important then?

2. Is our souls a natural phenomonon or are they created? What would happen if somehow the soul tower got destoyed. WOuld we see ghost everywhere?

3. You mention that there are 70 odd races. Has there ever been a race who has been against the master plan and treatment of us? If so what have they done to sort it out, did they get vapourized?

Cheers

[edit on 17-9-2004 by CheeseKnob]

Tidelock moon orbit is not unique only to earth's moon. Tidelock is common to many satellites throughout solar system and no doubt galaxy. If there is atmosphere on earth's moon how would it not be visible when using telescope to stare at moon, stars do not twinkle at edge of moon just disappear. there might be 70 alien races having a carnival on the dark side of the moon for all i know, but i look at the moon all the time with a telescope and there is no evidence of atmosphere. and you can breathe on the moon for short periods of time because it has atmospheric density equal to 18,000 feet above sea level on earth? there are no clouds or wind on the moon and you can see that with a telescope plainly and clearly, yet there's cloud and wind on earth above 18,000 feet. there are no falling stars burning in lunar atmosphere - ever. how did eagle feather and hammer drop at precisely the same rate on the moon, how did that box vehicle called LEM land on moon or take off without ripping apart in lunar atmosphere...

what human technologies that we know of adopted alien tech? why are there no jumps in technology that can't be traced by patents, thesis, inventors, and escalation of technology?

do all of the alien races interact with one another??? if they can all be the best of friends why cant we???

Originally posted by johnlear You tell me what your figure is for the neutral gravity point between the earth and the moon in miles and we will then talk about the moons gravity. And the atmosphere.

Why not now? Yes, as a matter of fact, I'm insisting now. And I can insist.

Originally posted by johnlear As far as the dust on the moon, the pictures of the lunar rover wheels throwing dust clearly show dust falling much more rapidly than if it were 1/6th that of earth.

I suppose simple high-school physics of vector motion doesn't apply on the moon? (particles being given an initial momentum... all that rot)

Originally posted by johnlear Haze is a product of many things occuring naturally and man-made on earth and it is not a good assumption that if it occurs on earth it should occur on the moon.

Wrong... this is not "haze" Kano is discussing, but atmosphere... gases that can be observed through the friction of landing craft, the distortion of light, the color as sunlight hits, etc.

Originally posted by johnlear Regarding your point that there were "a good few dozen'" successful landing and orbits before Apollo...there were a number of catastrophic failures during ours and Russias first attempts simply because we 'assumed' gravity was 16% which was based on size alone.

Not that many failures. How do you explain that for an exceptionally long time, Newton's laws have successfully predicted the motion of the moon based on our assumptions of about 0.16 g? Also, how can we explain the current tides on earth, which also are the result of an object the known mass of the moon at the known distance? If what you say were true, our tides would be much more pronounced. Oh, and are these guys in on the alien stuff too? --> www.nasda.go.jp... How are so many "governments" kept in the dark?

Originally posted by johnlearAnd finally, remember that my statements are opinion of what I believe to be true.

You are presenting them as truth. You are engaging in what appears to be an organized deception of the members of this website community. We do not take kindly to that. Have you asked Bob about that CompuServe forum yet? ALSO... please read As you have been treated as a guest speaker, we have been lax in enforcing our general rules related to quoting entire threads and one line responses with you. This will no longer be the case. Please review these: www.abovetopsecret.com... www.abovetopsecret.com... [edit on 17-9-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

They wish to continue to use our bodies for their ongoing genetic experiments and our planet for its resources. Zecharia Sitchin has made similar conclusions from his deciphering of ancient Akkadian and Sumerian clay tablets. They've been at it for hundreds of thousands of years.

that is just plain dumb, i mean honestly. if they are so all knowing and brilliant, with such an advanced knowlegde. why oh why would they need hundreds of thousands of years to study us and preforme genetic experiments. if they are that advanced they would not be interested in us, we are reletivly simple minded, and a simple species to understand. they would have gotten what they wanted out of us a long time ago. shouldnt they be exploring and studying more important matters like the far reaches of the universe, i mean how interesting are we, really? if they were at all intelegent they would capture a hand full of us and take them home, to breed and examine more closely, they would not make pointless trips back and forth, just to come pick up fresh samples. also with their amazingly advanced technology survalience is probably leaps and bounds beyond our comprehension. they would not need to travel here so frequently for such mundane tasks. IMO

Since you are responding to my post and not to John's, I think I'll jump in with a rebuttal.

Originally posted by sturod84
if they are so all knowing and brilliant, with such an advanced knowlegde. why oh why would they need hundreds of thousands of years to study us and preforme genetic experiments.

I never stated that the aliens in question are all knowing. Brilliant in their technology, yes, but hardly omniscient and/or omnipotent.

Originally posted by sturod84
why oh why would they need hundreds of thousands of years to study us and preforme genetic experiments.

According to Zecharia Sitchin's findings, the original purpose of mixing Zetan-Reptilian or Anunnaki DNA with the hominids here was to produce a slave race to work the mines. The aliens simply kept going with using us and this planet as one big farm -- a notion that John Lear and various researchers agree with.

BTW, I don't agree that the aliens have control over our souls when we leave our bodies. I am a spiritual medium of many years and talk to discarnate souls constantly. The Zetans are far from being our spiritual masters. That idea is nothing short of laughable. They are just a bunch of spiritually indifferent humanoid aliens that have access to high technology which they use for selfish purposes.

Here's another tidbit to chew on...

I've come across reports from abductees that the aliens like to use glandular extracts from Homo sapiens as nutritional supplements!

Essentially translating into them using some of us as vitamin pills!

Which goes along the idea that John is saying about some of them actually ingesting human flesh.

Bummer.

Every tyranny has eventually fallen. It happened with the Roman Empire, it happened with Nazi Germany, and it will eventually happen with the Zetan Empire.

"God or The God Force is never mocked."

IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME.



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Originally posted by johnlearAnd finally, remember that my statements are opinion of what I believe to be true.

You are presenting them as truth. You are engaging in what appears to be an organized deception of the members of this website community. We do not take kindly to that.

As you have been treated as a guest speaker, we have been lax in enforcing our general rules related to quoting entire threads and one line responses with you. This will no longer be the case.
Please review these:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I appreciate being given the opportunity to talk about my opinions regarding UFO's etc. I didn't mean to upset anybody but I should have known that without sufficient evidence these opinions might be less than popular. As Skeptic Overlord continues to advise me that I may be engaging in "organized deception", even after I continue to assure him that these are my opinions based on what I consider to be the truth, we have obviously come to an impass. I will no longer continue to post my ideas in this thread. But because I enjoy reading and posting in ATS I will continue to post elsewhere, but not about UFO's, gravity, the moon etc. Neither will I answer any U2's concerning the subject. For anybody having specific questions about these subjects, not requiring essay length answers, and assuming that you understand that these are opinions only, you can contact me at [email protected]. I apologize to everybody and anybody and particularly Skeptic Overlord, who felt my posts were an 'organized deception'...they were not.

John Lear

John, your statements here are appreciated. This forum is for conspiracies and theories. While I may not agree with everything you say here, it is still interesting all the same.

Thanks for your insights.

Well goodbye, John. Your leaving is disappointing to say the least. I know others and myself must still have more questions for you.

Ah nooo my question didnt get answered.... oh well.

Anyways thanks for answering everyone elses question. True or not it has certainly been an interesting read.

I fail to see the problem with anything John Lear has posted. I see no deception nor need for him to continually place a disclaimer upon what is his opinion and what is factual. The fact that this subject is about UFOs, Flying Saucers, and so forth is already a matter of fragmented knowledge, and no one is capable of stating in every breath some finality of facts about it. While John has posted complete quotes, this is a Q&A session that ought to have that option, otherwise it is no longer a Q&A eg. to answer questions. Those rules are about general bandwidth, and should be altered for accomodation of guests. Also at the first posting, general disclaimers should augment a search for truth out of speculation. It should be clear that an intuitive opinion is not the same thing as deliberate deception, which is more usually a calculated move implying an unfair advantage. The speculative nature of most discussion on UFOs and technologies suggests far more latitude than say discussion of factual things supported from the general news as to say politics. You gotta fix some of these rules soon, because discussion should not perish from total consent to it, otherwise fault could be found almost anywhere and everywhere.

I would welcome back John for anything he wants to say, unbridled from restrictions on opinion vs hard cold facts that can never be proven in such an issue as UFOs.

Should we compare what John says, with say the daily cacophony of malpropisms and even court sanctioned rights to "deceive," from Fox, CNN, and so forth?

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