Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

Originally posted by paxnatus
Well why have you and the liberal posse, falsely convicted a man when there were no charges?

He's not been convicted of anything. What are you talking about? It's virtually OUT of the news, but you're still complaining about the media. I haven't seen anyone on the news mention it in days. (edit: It was mentioned that Kraushaar will not be holding a press conference, but that's it.)

I keep saying that I don't know if Cain is guilty or not and you keep claiming that I think he's guilty. I can't do anything about that.

All the news about Herman Cain says he's leading in the polls. Is that the evil liberal media's fault,. too?

Friend of Cain Accuser Recounts Allegations

This is a friend of the second woman who received a payout from the NRA. She is still anonymous.

CNN) - A longtime friend of one of Herman Cain's unnamed accusers tells CNN that Cain dangled a job promotion in front of the accuser at the same time he "made her very uncomfortable" with sexual "innuendo and overtures."
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"When one started complaining, it helped the others," this woman says. "There definitely was somebody else [who had experienced the same behavior], and it led her to speak up."
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"They [association members] went to a conference in Chicago and I remember her coming back and mentioning some things that he had said, along with the innuendo of job promotion." In the end, the friend adds, the woman did not get the promotion. "I think she was up for something and didn't get it," she said, adding that her friend worried it was because she had rebuffed Cain.

Hmmm... Sounds like this woman corroborates the accusers.But if she doesn't come forth and identify herself, it really means nothing.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

My intentions are, at least, to determine for myself, the validity of the LVA, and to share the information with others on ATS. This will either solidify their initial conclusion or it will give them a little food for thought.
Then I'll send Herman Cain my report


At this time, I have no clue what to think about it but if it's favored by the majority of the agencies, it will be valuable to Mr. Cain.
I feel I must publically acknowledge that I'm grateful for the kindness and cooperation of T.J. Ward and also the reporter, Mike Paluska.

This might be what T.J. Ward was refering to when he suggested for me to look at the demo and interview with the L.A. County Sheriff's office.
If this isn't what he was referring to, then it's pretty close.



la-sheriff.org...

The Polygraph Section is staffed by six deputy sheriff examiners and seven contract examiners.

Further down in the Polygraph Section it also mentions...

The Section is also available for quality review of polygraph examinations conducted by outside agencies and private examiners.

I left a message and my phone number with Sgt. Brian Muller's voicemail and expect to hear from him at the beginning of the week. My intentions are to ask as many officers who have actually tested the LVA and if they find it trustworthy.


Added this video, for what it's worth.

I won't add anymore to the thread about the LVA until I've accumulated a substantial list and hopefully their opinion of the software.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Wow!! Incredible find!! Yes, when I heard sleazebag Axlerod was involved, I knew it was a scam. I hope Cain sues the sh** out of him!!!!



Thank you so much for the article!

Pax

Well, i don't think Herman Cain should divert his attention to suing David Axelrod.
It's just dirty politics. As you can see from Ann Coulters article it's nothing new.

So far it has helped Herman Cain raise $9 million!

Did you see from the CNBC Presidential Debate that the audience is sick of the
Herman Cain smear campaign?

reply to post by sweetliberty


Thanks for continuing to actively search for truth. I really admire it.

I have a couple comments about the video.

It seems like the people who claim a 95% accuracy are affiliated with selling the product or reporting what they heard from someone who is. All the objective studies I've read say it's about the same as flipping a coin.

The study had subjects make contradictory statements about an issue, and the results were then evaluated by experts using the system. The expert examiners had rates similar to chance, from 42-56%. And 40-65% of the time the results were false positives, where the examiners thought the subjects had lied when they had not.

Deceptology

I look forward to your report and conclusions!

reply to post by sweetliberty


Very helpful on the Male/Female thing. Thanks for digging.

Did he respond as far as a current customer list?

What we know for certain is that there a multiple independant scientific studies discrediting Layered Voice Analysis, Including the National Institute of Justices 116 page detailed report, where they discuss the whole number of clients thing etc. That report is available here...www.ncjrs.gov...

All we have in rebuttal of those exhaustive studies is T.J. Ward and his companies marketing materials and their word. The few places that have publicly disclosed that they used LVA, like the Jefferson County PD and Wisconsin Corrections Department...have both ceased using it after discovering that it is not better than "flipping a coin" in determining deception.

What LSA determines (to some degree) is stress level in the voice. Practiced liers can modulate this well and appear to calm while BSing, while someone who simply is unaccustomed to interrogation or...the spotlight and a storm of reporters ...will show increased stress whatever the topic or veracity of statements.

Please read the report I linked to....and thank you for rocking the research and getting a hold of T.J. Ward Directly.

reply to post by sweetliberty


Please ask TJ Ward if the LA County Sheriffs Department still uses LVA, the Vid you posted was from 2009.

Agreed. I took notice last night about that. That's why I'm hoping to have direct communication with those who are testing it. Imo, if there is truly that many agencies (not inquiring outside of the U.S.) who are using or testing this software, I'm going to find them. So far, I can't even claim there's one agency testing the software until hearing from the one's I've contacted.

This letter www.voiceanalysistech.com... is from an independent study and well worth taking a look at, imo.

This was on twitter

CAIN EXPECTED TO MAKE MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT ON SAVAGE NATION RADIO SHOW TODAY AT 7:30 p.m. EST.

Originally posted by sweetliberty


This letter www.voiceanalysistech.com... is from an independent study and well worth taking a look at, imo.

OK Read it...What it appears to be is an examination of some paper titled...
"Voice Stress Analyzer Instrumentation Evaluation"

To see if that paper would be accredited in a Scientific Journal...was the study conducted in the right way etc.

I have a few big problems with this.

(1) Whether it was ready for publication in a scientific journal or not does not speak to whether it's conclusions are accurate. Most studies are not ready to be published in a scientific journal.

(2) Proponents of LVA have not published anything in any scientific journal to support thier claims, and they have not published anything remotely similiar to the many scientific studies that have debunked thier claims...so for them to try and hold a study to a scientific journal standard of research, when their research consists of simple claims without any real studies? Seems hypocritical and odd.

(3) MOST IMPORTANTLY...I posted a link to the 116 page Study conducted By the National Institue of Justice labeled "Layered Voice Analysis in a Prison Setting"...NOT Whatever study that letter you linked to is trying to discredit...and discredit in an odd fashion BTW...On whether the study would be ready for publication in a scientific Journal, not whether the study was correct in it's conclusions.

Innocent people don't ignore the truth or try to bury it.

If he was innocent, he could confidently say he has absolutely nothing to do with it, make sure all of the accusers take lie detector tests as well as himself while releasing the gag order to reveal what really happened. This is what innocent people do.

reply to post by eLPresidente


I disagree. There is no set of behavior that all innocent people do. Cain may not be handling this thing very well, but that does not speak to whether or not he's innocent. These women have made accusations. It's up to them to try to prove them or do what they can to convince the world they're telling the truth. It's not up to Cain to prove he's innocent.

If he is innocent and wants to save his campaign, I think the smart thing to do is prove his innocence. But if he chooses not to, that doesn't make him guilty.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
Innocent people don't ignore the truth or try to bury it.

If he was innocent, he could confidently say he has absolutely nothing to do with it, make sure all of the accusers take lie detector tests as well as himself while releasing the gag order to reveal what really happened. This is what innocent people do.

Polygraph tests...while much more accurate than the "Layered Voice Analysis" his campaign is touting...like flipping a coin..., the truth is that Polygraph tests are not 100% reliable. They can be innacurate. Otherwise it is a risk even for an innocent man.

Sidenote: You know what is the most accurate lie detector? People. There are a handful of human lie detectors that work for the CIA, NSA etc. mostly training and conducting interrogations that have been repeatedly tested and shown to be virtually 100% accurate. I read an article about these guys. They literally can watch your throat and find a heartbeat and mentally monitor your heartbeat, they asses micro-hesitations in speech, the slightest twitch in body language...folks who have spent there whole life doing nothing else but training themselves to be human lie detectors...they beat Polygraphs all to hell.

What I know...He has been repeatedly accused of sexual harrassment. I don't know he is guilty.

What I think...I think he did what is in those complaints...I think his wife does not believe him and likely this has been an issue in their marriage before.

Conservative Talk Show host claims Cain Flirted with his staff..

"awkward/inappropriate things he's said to two females on my staff"

www.politico.com...



Conservative Pollster that used to work for the NRA said Cain Sexually Harrassed women

A veteran Republican pollster who did work for the National Restaurant Association said Wednesday morning that Herman Cain sexually harassed a woman at an Arlington, Va., restaurant in the late 1990s.
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Chris Wilson, now the principal of an Oklahoma-based GOP consulting firm, said in an interview on Oklahoma City's KTOK radio station that the episode took place in the neighborhood where Cain kept an apartment when he headed the restaurant trade group.

www.politico.com...

Sharon Bialek comes froward and claims Cain groped her and tried to exchange sex for a job offer.
theweek.com...

Two other women recieved settlements while at the NRA for allegations of Sexual Harrasment

One is outed by the media and then comes forward and repeats that she stands by her allegations...

Karen Kraushaar, a US Treasury spokesman, was revealed as one of two women to have received five–figure payouts from the National Restaurant Association after complaining about Mr Cain in the 1990s.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Fifth Woman Raises Questions About Cain's Behavior

"And after the seminar was over," Donella told The Washington Examiner, "Cain came over to me and a colleague and said, 'Could you put me in touch with that lovely young lady who asked the question, so I can give her a more thorough answer over dinner?'"

Donella, who no longer works for USAID, said they were suspicious of Cain's motives and declined to set up the date. Cain responded, "Then you and I can have dinner." That's when two female colleagues intervened and suggested they all go to dinner together, Donella said.

Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said.

nation.foxnews.com...


This is not the way political smears work. They involve rumor...not witnesses with professional jobs and of every political leaning....some even loyalist GOP...and some MEN...who are apt to not easily claim that a woman has been sexually harrassed unless it is blatant.

Again..what do I think? He did it.

what do I know? Not enough.

reply to post by Indigo5


Very well presented! I think I'm probably going to end up where you are. Not knowing but having the opinion that he probably did it. I'm not willing to say that yet and if nothing more comes of it, I may never feel very strongly about it, but I do lean toward believing the accusers.

Politico is not letting this one go, are they? They're still digging.

I had the same thought about Cain's wife the other day.If a man has a history of this kind of behavior, the wife probably knows. She was scheduled to give an interview, but she canceled. I read that she did appear with him somewhere. Last night,. I think.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

I had the same thought about Cain's wife the other day.If a man has a history of this kind of behavior, the wife probably knows. She was scheduled to give an interview, but she canceled. I read that she did appear with him somewhere. Last night,. I think.

There is a big difference between a wife who has struggled with and tolerated an unfaithful spouse and kept the issue within the marriage....and a wife having to smile for the cameras and lie to defend your husband cheating on you

The first measure affords you some measure of remaining dignity...but the second? Having to lie to protect your own husband cheating on you??? That is a dignity crusher.

I have no doubt Cain's campaign managers asked her to speak on day one of this scandal and she said no. They must have asked "at least appear by his side! All you have to do is stand there!" A wife by the candidates side is rule #1 when denying allegations of this sort.....and she said "No".

If she believed he was innocent of the claims and it was some smear campaign and women were lying about her husband and their marriage...any wife of an innocent man would have to be restrained from comming forward to defend him and stand beside him....she refused to even appear.

That is not talked about much, but it says a great deal to me.

Again, I don't know, I strongly think he has done those things. Either view is apart from the Cain loyalists who proudly and simply don't care. Guilty or not, that sentiment frightens me the most.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


By the way BH...here are the scenarios I see unfolding..

More accusers come forward or go public...I think that as long as Cain shuts his mouth this won't happen, but everytime he publicly denies this, some number of women somwhere are watching their TVs and pulling thier own hair.

If he stops slamming the accusers and stops denying, but rather changes the subject he might be safe.

Either way...when his campaign is over...it will leak out. Campaign staffers...they are as silent as a priest taking confession as long as the campaign is going on, but once it is over, they gossip like schoolgirls.

This is how we know McCain never wanted to pick Palin and that the same staff that was championing her, after they lost were talking publicly about how difficult and un-informed she was etc.

We will know the truth sometime in the next year....If he keeps the lead and in the headlines, more women he harrassed will reach a frustration breaking point, if he sinks and drops out, his campaign insiders will no longer have a reason to keep his secrets.

If he stops screaming about how he has been set up and they are all lying...he buys himself a few months at best.

Just my guess.

The RNC is crafting Cains' resignation speech as we speak. They now know for a fact that more women are going
to come forward and accuse him of sexual inappropriate behavior and they are in full damage control to try and keep the back wash from tainting the whole of the GOP. They are sick and tired of even the "clean" candidates being asked about Cain and the allegations.

I don't think they are allegations; I think they are true and all this talk of "high tec Lynching" BS isn't flying at all even with the conservative female republicans I know.

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by sweetliberty

 

Please ask TJ Ward if the LA County Sheriffs Department still uses LVA, the Vid you posted was from 2009.

Hello, I left a message with Stg. Brian Muller (the Sgt. in the video I posted earlier) and I hope to hear from him early next week. If not, I'll phone him again late afternoon Tuesday

Did he respond as far as a current customer list?

T.J. Ward didn't give me a list in his response to that question.
This was his response:

Go to the voice analysis, look at the demo and interview with the LA County Sheriff's office or the Foryth co Sheriff's office in Georgia Sent via BlackBerry

For the time being, my intentions are to seek out the operators who use this from of truth or consequences in their quest for justice, lol.

The LVA software, if proven trustworthy, would have certainly changed the dynamics in politics, just to name one body of an array of influential entities that intrude on the daily lives of the people.
I'd sure love to speak with Mr. Smartie Pants, he'd know the necessary tweaking needed on the LVA.
(Sorry about the dry humor, it keeps cropping up but in my little world, it doesn't lesson the importance of possibly being falsely accused of serious crimes, or character attacks lol)

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by sweetliberty


This letter www.voiceanalysistech.com... is from an independent study and well worth taking a look at, imo.

OK Read it...What it appears to be is an examination of some paper titled...
"Voice Stress Analyzer Instrumentation Evaluation"

To see if that paper would be accredited in a Scientific Journal...was the study conducted in the right way etc.

I have a few big problems with this.

(1) Whether it was ready for publication in a scientific journal or not does not speak to whether it's conclusions are accurate. Most studies are not ready to be published in a scientific journal.

(2) Proponents of LVA have not published anything in any scientific journal to support thier claims, and they have not published anything remotely similiar to the many scientific studies that have debunked thier claims...so for them to try and hold a study to a scientific journal standard of research, when their research consists of simple claims without any real studies? Seems hypocritical and odd.

(3) MOST IMPORTANTLY...I posted a link to the 116 page Study conducted By the National Institue of Justice labeled "Layered Voice Analysis in a Prison Setting"...NOT Whatever study that letter you linked to is trying to discredit...and discredit in an odd fashion BTW...On whether the study would be ready for publication in a scientific Journal, not whether the study was correct in it's conclusions.

Thank you for taking the time to read the letter and the time to post such through, well written logical analysis of it. Your findings and opinions are to be respected and you are certainly an asset to this thread!

reply to post by paxnatus

Common sense is the reason Cain needs a lawyer!

This is a 110% correct. Cain obtaining a lawyer will turn the tables and the accusers will be the one's to have to give the burden of proof.
I haven't been able to keep up with all of the here-say, lol, but what Cain needs to do is to have as many accusers make their statements under oath!