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reply to post by WarminIndy

Do you go around the streets calling out anyone who isnt a Christian?
Sounds bonkers to me.

reply to post by autowrench


I know you wern't speaking to me, but consider Lucifer "the light barer" might have said title because through the darkness we can percieve the light...

Light can not exist without darkness, and vice versa...

And besides that, what is written about Jesus does not fall in line with what the biblical satan/lucifer stood for...

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

I know, you care about Lucifer the light bearer instead,

I will quote from your Bible:

"And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19 - 19 KJV)

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
(Revelation 22:16 KJV)

Note that the term ‘morning star’ is used throughout the New Testament and is in reference to Jesus the Christ. Keep this in mind. The Hebrew translation had the word helel in the place of Lucifer, or rather St. Jerome replaced the word helel with Lucifer. What does helel mean? It means ‘shining one’. ‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Shining One son of the dawn.’ ‘…until the day dawns and the Shining One rises in your hearts.’ And what then of the Greek translation? Helel in Greek translates into Eosphorus/Phosphorus. And in this translation the word means ‘light bearer’

Jesus Christ IS the TRUE lucifer (morning star, light bringer)

Since it is clear that Jesus is the "Bright Morning Star" (even said so Himself) then how should we understand Isaiah 14:12?

" How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. (Isaiah 14:12-15 (NIV)

To me, it certainly looks like Jesus is none other than Lucifer, the fallen rebel archangel and Devil supreme. In pursuance of his declared personal manifesto, Lucifer generated christianity and historically set it up under his prevalent name of "Jesus."

What say you now?

Except one problem with your train of thought here, Jesus saw Satan cast out of heaven...

16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. 17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

The demonic legion called Him the Son of the Most High, so if they recognized Him as the Son of God, then that means He is not Lucifer.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Satanists are Christians and vice versa. Because you can't believe in one without believing in the other.

Actually, being as "Satan" was invented by Christianity, then being a "Satanist" would be the same, just an opposite polarity of Christianity. I do not know a lot about Satanists, but I do know they use Christian symbols in their ceremonies.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Do you go around the streets calling out anyone who isnt a Christian?
Sounds bonkers to me.

No, Boymonkey, I do not do that. But since the poster is the one who called them that, apparently he was reserving that right for himself. I am responding that if those people were doing that in front of me, I would indeed do that. And yes, I did it in my post and will stand by what I say.

But no, I don't go around the streets looking for people to do that to. You are bonkers for even suggesting I would do that because you don't know me.

reply to post by WarminIndy


I take the story of Cain and Able as more of a lesson about jealousy.

1 Adam[a] made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth[c] a man.” 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

Cain was jealous that God showed favor to Able's offering. Now, why God did not accept Cain's offering so well, I truly do not know. Maybe he was testing him (as God so loves to do throughout the bible), and Cain simply failed the test.
I'm not sure whether to take the "mark of Cain" as mercy. Death would have been a swift end to the misery Cain surely felt for the rest of his life, and making sure that he lived a long and healthy life seems to be a punishment in and of itself, along with bearing the mark so that all who saw him knew what he'd done.

I get what you're saying about the need to verify. I feel, with all my heart and all my soul, that I am following the path I am meant to take. I hear the voice of God leading me. Now, I may not hold to the same convictions you do, but I know that nothing I have been led to has been evil or negative, nor has it been self serving. When I have questions, God answers me. When I am afraid, God consoles me. When I am angry, God helps me to see all sides so that I may understand and let go of my anger and replace it with compassion.
I may not get down on my knees and pray for the salvation of my soul.
I may not shout to the world that Jesus is the only way.
I know that my mistakes are my own and not some evil entity pushing me to do wrong.
I know that when I make those mistakes I will pay the price, either in this life or the next.
I live my life not in fear of where I will end up, but in search of happiness, which can only be found through doing good. God helps to lead me to that loving and compassionate path.

I will leave you with this.
Proverbs 2:1-11

1 My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2 turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding— 3 indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, 4 and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, 5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. 7 He holds success in store for the upright, he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless, 8 for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones. 9 Then you will understand what is right and just and fair—every good path. 10 For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. 11 Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you.

"9 Then you will understand what is right and just and fair - EVERY GOOD PATH.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Satanists are Christians and vice versa. Because you can't believe in one without believing in the other.

Actually, being as "Satan" was invented by Christianity, then being a "Satanist" would be the same, just an opposite polarity of Christianity. I do not know a lot about Satanists, but I do know they use Christian symbols in their ceremonies.

Actually they use inverted symbols in their religion. Hence, a crucifix hangs upside down for them. And the fact they use and inverted pentacle means nothing to me because I have never seen a star pentacle symbol in any church I have been in. And Satanist as a religion is not new, even Islam has a sect that worships Satan.

He is called Iblis in Islam, and they worship him in a cave. They are called Black Light Satanism who worship Iblis in a cave. Iblis is another name for Lucifer. So even in Arabic, they understand the difference and this can't be passed off onto Christian invention.

reply to post by steveknows

So what you must mean is that Christianity hates people taking charge of their own life and exploring the wonder of their universe around them without the church having some kind of control over it. And it is so desperate to have people not do it that it makes threats of people going to some awful place full of torment should they choose to do it. Wow what a loving institution you ally yourself with.

Clap clap clap! A Star for a great response! And you are right too. Christianity, or any other "book religion" is all about enslaving the soul, and the body, and chaining it to an ideal of something held up by a thing called "faith."
Christian, you are a slave, you are not Free.

Let us look at the words you use:

Lord

noun 1. a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.
2. a person who exercises authority from property rights; an owner of land, houses, etc.
3. a person who is a leader or has great influence in a chosen profession: the great lords of banking.
4. a feudal superior; the proprietor of a manor.
5. a titled nobleman or peer; a person whose ordinary appellation contains by courtesy the title Lord or some higher title.

All are described as "Person." Notice that?

Master

noun 1. a person with the ability or power to use, control, or dispose of something: a master of six languages; to be master of one's fate.
2. an owner of a slave, animal, etc.
3. an employer of workers or servants.
4. the male head of a household.
5. a person eminently skilled in something, as an occupation, art, or science: the great masters of the Impressionist period.

Again, all are are described as "Person," or "Male."

Etymology of the Name God

According to the best efforts of linguists and researchers, the root of the present word God is the Sanskrit word hu which means to call upon, invoke, implore.

Hmmmm...invoke, implore, call upon. Word to ponder.

A little tid-bit of information that many may not know...
I have always found this quite interesting, and know of very few Christians who can speak of it.
Within the Bible, particularly Proverbs, there seems to be a duality of God. Many pagans will relate to this as it is shown that there is both a mother and a father. There is both a male and a female aspect of God.

Proverbs 1:8-9

8 Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching. 9 They are a garland to grace your head and a chain to adorn your neck.

Proverbs 1:20-33

20 Out in the open wisdom calls aloud, she raises her voice in the public square; 21 on top of the wall[d] she cries out, at the city gate she makes her speech: 22 “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge? 23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings. 24 But since you refuse to listen when I call and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand, 25 since you disregard all my advice and do not accept my rebuke, 26 I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you; I will mock when calamity overtakes you— 27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you. 28 “Then they will call to me but I will not answer; they will look for me but will not find me, 29 since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD. 30 Since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, 31 they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes. 32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them; 33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm.”

Proverbs 3:13-18

13 Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding, 14 for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. 15 She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her. 16 Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. 17 Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace. 18 She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her; those who hold her fast will be blessed.

Originally posted by avatar22
reply to post by WarminIndy

I will leave you with this.
Proverbs 2:1-11

1 My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2 turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding— 3 indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, 4 and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, 5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. 7 He holds success in store for the upright, he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless, 8 for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones. 9 Then you will understand what is right and just and fair—every good path. 10 For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. 11 Discretion will protect you, and understanding will guard you.

"9 Then you will understand what is right and just and fair - EVERY GOOD PATH.

The proverb began with "store up my commandments within you". You should seek what His commandments are. That is the first term of the covenant He is offering you. Accept His words and store up His commandments. and if you do that, then He will do what He offers.

That clearly is a covenant offered to you, because it means something to you. He is telling you here, please accept His words, the words that say who He Is and the words that say "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him."

You have proven my post that God offers each of us a covenant. I know the covenant made with Christians is through Jesus Christ and it is signified by the inward sign of the circumcised heart. You are listening to God, but we also have to be doers as well as listeners.

reply to post by WarminIndy

The Cross of St. Peter or Petrine Cross is an inverted Latin cross traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times also used widely as an anti-Christ symbol (a meaning which is not valid with respect to traditional conventions of Christian symbolism).

en.wikipedia.org...

It's really not a Satanic symbol at all. Satanists do use it, of course, but it's a misuse, a misappropriation.

Also, as Islam came after and use Christianity, Lucifer still did come from Christianity.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

Jesus said that a person who is OF THE TRUTH listens to Him. Jesus is the Living Word; the Bible is the Written Word

Please tell me what Jesus said about witchcraft?

Did he agree to this?

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Jesus (NT) never said that, and neither did the book of Exodus, originally. RG does not research, he is relying on a newer edition of the KJV Bible.
The original word is "sorceress," and this word seems to mean a woman who poisons her lovers.

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Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

The Cross of St. Peter or Petrine Cross is an inverted Latin cross traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times also used widely as an anti-Christ symbol (a meaning which is not valid with respect to traditional conventions of Christian symbolism).

en.wikipedia.org...

It's really not a Satanic symbol at all. Satanists do use it, of course, but it's a misuse, a misappropriation.

Also, as Islam came after and use Christianity, Lucifer still did come from Christianity.

edit on 31-10-2011 by cetaphobic because: (no reason given)

Except that all the books of the Old Testament came before Christianity and if you read the Book of Job, which is considered the oldest book, Satan is mentioned there.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Job is found in the Hebrew Bible and the Talmud. Those came before Christianity, so therefore, not a Christian invention.

reply to post by autowrench


please realize what i said was a trap to expose the fact that RG does not know what he is talking about...

And it worked perfectly, because he said "yes" Jesus would agree... To which i responded with an appropreiate quote from Jesus...

He also refused to answer me on two seperate occasions in this thread on my reply... which i also said "apparently my question does not deserve an answer"

He is blind to his own saviour's lessons, which is clearly shown within this thread.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Yes, I do have my own covenant with God. You are correct in that. I believe that ALL have a personal covenant with the Creator, and that God works through them in ways that work for their understanding as well as their social environment. That is why I cannot believe there is only "one" way. God is present everywhere and in everything and speaks in every tongue.
As to doing... yes, you must live according to what you believe whole-heartedly and not merely listen. BUT, if you are truly listening then you will act upon what you are being told, so there is no way to do one and not the other.

reply to post by Akragon


I think RG has deserted his own thread. He seems to have nothing to say to anything we have added here in quite some time.

reply to post by avatar22


That tends to happen to many so called "christians" when they have no where to turn...

I've delt with him and many others like him before... they run when the truth comes out...

He'll be back rest assured, though the arguements will be the same.... simply because they refuse to learn

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

.(I haven't been a christian for that long).

We can tell. The brainwashing took hold on you very good, didn't it? How did they do it? First with love and peace, then with fear? Did they warn you not to ever question the word of God, and to never seek knowledge? Do you need help from escaping from a cult? If so, please U2 me, I know people who can help you. Do you have any of these symptoms?

1. A belief in the core cult dogma that is independent of facts, logic, or even one’s own intuition. In other words an absolute, and blind acceptance of any information provided by cult leaders and literature as undeniable fact?

2. Have a tendency to isolate from the rest of society, often justified by the suggestion that those outside of the faith are wicked, lost, sinful?

3. You have already demonstrated that you have a compulsive need to recruit others into the cult. Do you feel driven to do so?

4. Do you suffer a complete loss of individuality, logic, and objectivity?

5. Do you accept without question, anything and everything told or taught you by the church leadership, even when the information is in contradiction of science, history, logic?

How people choose to think, practice their religion, believe, and even act is completely up to them. But I become very concerned when a religious group - any religious group, has a clear and aggressive mission of subverting and disrupting the rights of other people in an effort to impose its edicts upon the masses.

reply to post by WarminIndy

I think people are confused about magick and sorcery. Neither of which Jesus practiced.

Maybe not, but if the NT is true, Jesus did practice Necromancy. (Raising the Dead)

More on Necromancy

Even Witches do not delve into this Ancient and Forbidden Art.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Whatever you think, I am in the right, so your word's are meaningless. I have the spirit of truth on my side.

Would it be too much to ask if you could please post some of this spiritual truth, instead of what someone told you to say? I am quite surprised you haven't played the "All Aliens are Demons," or the "Homosexuals are all going to Hell" card yet.