Exposing the evils of Wicca Witchcraft!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Wow reading this post has taught me something, I want to know more about wicca's it sounds good to me so can you please send me some links so I can start researching wicca's cheers.
Oh and thanks to the OP for bringing wicca's into my thoughts...I guess if I become a wicca its all your fault...lol

Sure! Here you go! Blessings be with with as you seek your path. May you find the Light within as we have.

What Wicca is Not FAQ
www.mdpagans.com...
(OP needs to read this site)

Goddess Worship throughout history
sexygoddessworld.com...

Wicca and Witchcraft Information Index
www.wicca.com...

Witchvox Website and Forum
witchvox.com...

Sacred Texts Website
www.sacred-texts.com...

Ether and the Theory of Relativity
www.tu-harburg.de...

THE THIRD BOOK OF THE SACRED MAGIC, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO MOSES, AARON, DAVID, SOLOMON, AND OTHER SAINTS, PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, WHICH TEACHES THE TRUE DIVINE WISDOM
www.grimoires.com...

The Llewellyn Encyclopidia
www.llewellyn.com...

The Pagan Link Exchange
www.pagannews.com...

Magick and Witchcraft Books
www.anathemabooks.com...

She is the central pivot of creation and represents the feminine aspect in all things. She is Wisdom Incarnate, the Goddess of all those who are wise.

Sophia (pronounced sew-fee'ah) in Greek, Hohkma in Hebrew, Sapientia in Latin, Celtic goddess-figure Sheela-na-gigs - all mean wisdom,. The Judeo-Christian God's female soul, source of his true power is Sophia.

As Goddess of wisdom and fate , her faces are many:
Black Goddess, Divine Feminine, Mother of God The Gnostic Christians, Sophia was the Mother of Creation; her consort and assistant was Jehovah.

Her sacred shrine, Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, is one of the seven wonders of the world. Her symbol, the dove, represents spirit; she is crowned by stars, a Middle Eastern icon, to indicate her absolute divinity. Sophia is found throughout the wisdom books of the Bible. There are references to Her in the book of Proverbs, and in the apocryphal books of Sirach and the Wisdom of Solomon (accepted by Catholics and Orthodox, found in the Greek Septuagint of the early Church). She is usually associated with wise King Solomon. 1 Kings 4:29-31 tells us that God gave wisdom to Solomon, and that he became wiser than all the kings of the East and all the wise people of Egypt. Wisdom 8:2, 16, 18 tells us that Solomon was seen as married to Sophia. The Song of Songs - known as Song of Solomon or Canticle of Canticles - speaks of Solomon's marriage to Holy Sophia.

Wisdom 9:8-11 tells us that Sophia instructed Solomon in building the Temple! The Jews revered Sophia. King Solomon even put Her right in the Temple, in the form of the Goddess Asherah. After the reforms of King Josiah, there was a threat that the veneration of Sophia would come to a halt - there was even more of a threat when patriarchal Christianity took over the world. Thanks to her continuing presence in the world and her presence in the Bible, veneration of Sophia continued in the Eastern tradition with the construction of the Hagia Sophia and the Russian Catholic liturgical service to Sophia combined with the assumption of Mary on May 15. The Russian Orthodox Church has also a school of "Sophiology" to explore the theology of Sophia without contradicting the Russian Orthodox theology. Yet the Eastern Christians are not the only Christians to venerate Sophia. Sophia was very likely venerated by early Followers of the Way, and her veneration has survived in the West today in the form of Gnosticism. Gnostics see her as one of the aeons, one of the quasi-deities who live in the ethereal realm known as the pleroma. Gnostics believe that she gave birth to or brought about the creation of a negative aeon, who later came to be called an archon, called the Demiurge, creator and ruler of this world. Gnostics see the Demiurge as the God of the Old Testament, with his strict rules and chains that bind the people of the Earth. Gnostics believe that Sophia and the Father God (not the Demiurge) sent Yeshua to right this wrong. In Gnostic tradition, Sophia plays a very active role in our world.

Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom

Originally posted by KhaliWitch
Blessed be Revolution,
Do you no longer comment on the thread that you have created?
This is no decorum for a good thread host.

Namasté

I am thinking this post was made because RG left the field in this thread.

Here is the original quote, where RG made a challenge:

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by darkredfish

 

You have dropped the topic because you have nothing left to offer in your defence of the wiccan religion, and i have disproven nearly all the claims you have made thus far such as "you can be a christian and wiccan at the same time" amongst other ridiculous claims and falsehoods.

And the supporting evidence by science for the Bible is so overwhelming its undeniable as far as im concerned.

It was nice talking with have a nice day, I hope you learned something from our discussion.

That God hates Wicca Witchcraft.

"... the sin of witchcraft..." —1st Samuel 15:23

I then posted this:

He may have left the field here, but I will not. Having read the book, several times, and researched the Christian religion half to death, I would wager I know a lot more about it than you do.

Read HERE for my challenges and truth about the matter, RG did not take time to answer, he rather began THIS thread the following day.
Makes you wonder what the true agenda of RG here is, doesn't it?
I will be happy to debate the truth when it comes to Bible/Christianity, having spent for 40 years in the study of it. I have a good friend I keep in contact with who is a Hebrew Scholar and Rabbi. He helps me with Hebrew definitions of English words. I have read through the Bible(s), and have an 1800s issue that was handed down to me. I wonder how RG thinks about, and condemns Gay people? Native American people?

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by autowrench

 

So where is your evidence that the original Roman Catholic Church made up our Saviour Lord Jesus? If you had you would bring it to the table for the world to see instead you hide it away because you really have none. Is that what wicca is about, spreading lies and deceiving people? Sure seems that way by the unfounded claims you have made...

Unfounded? I think not. Actually, it is the Bible that is unfounded.

THE "TRUE AUTHORSHIP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

WHO WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT?

The True Authorship of the New Testament

'THE PISO FAMILY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT'

Jesus – The Imaginary Friend

The "12 Apostles" – Fabricated followers of a fabricated Saviour

Godman – Gestation of a Superhero

reply to post by autowrench


You realize that those links you posted are just speculation right?

Theres no evidence that this Pizo family had anything to do with the authorship of the NT

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by autowrench

 

See, unlike you, some of us members have done this, and what we found is what keeps us far away from religious cults.

So why are you apart of wicca (one of the biggest cults going)?

First, let us take a hard look at the word CULT.

1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

Wiccans do not have any particular system of religious worship, in fact, we have many different ways, many different rites and ceremonies. this one does, however, fit Christianity.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

Wiccans do not have any great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, we do not hold up a man and claim he is God, nor do we hold up a Woman and claim she is a Goddess. But I know of a cult that does hold up a man as God. And this particular cult has a great veneration for this person.

3. the object of such devotion.

To Wiccans, there are no objects of devotion. We do have religious symbols, but are not devoted to them. I know of a cult that is fully devoted to a man being tortured on a cross, and in nearly every church this Idol has prominence.

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

Trying to apply that to a group of Wiccans it like trying to put a square object on a round hole. We have many different deities, ways, and lifestyles. We do not have a "Leader." Which cult is bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal? Right. Christianity

Now, who belongs to a cult, RG? The indoctrination practices of Christianity are indistinguishable from any other cult.

Is Christianity a cult?

In order to answer this question, we must first understand what we mean by the word "cult." When people say that a religious group is a cult, they typically mean that it has one or more of the following characteristics:

Overly aggressive recruitment/evangelization

False/deceptive teaching, including hyperexclusivism:

Prior to the beginning of the group, everyone was lost/condemned/without any true knowledge

Only a very small, exclusive set of people (i.e. the group members) will be saved/enter heaven

Use of brainwashing techniques, including:

Questioning of the group's teaching/leadership forbidden

Isolation (physical or forced isolation, or encouragement to break contact with family and friends)

Sleep deprivation and other abusive practices

Financial exploitation of members (ultimately profiting the leaders)

Emotional explotation of young adults, the elderly, etc.

Unfortunately, there are Christian and pseudo-Christian individuals and groups who exhibit one or more of the above characteristics. The purpose of this article is not to prove that any and all Christians or Christian groups the reader may have encountered are not cults or using cultic techniques, but to demonstrate that Biblical-based Christianity is not a cult and does not support the use of cultic practices.

1. Overly aggressive evangelization Granted, there are many Christians who are too aggressive in their attempts to share their faith, not to mention times in history when people were forcibly converted. Yet forced evangelism and/or conversion are not supported by the Bible.

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience... (1 Pet 3:15-16) When Jesus sent his disciples out to preach, he told them to leave towns that didn't welcome them.[1] When the disciples wanted to punish a town that rejected him, rather than accepting their offer, he rebuked them.[2] As secondary evidence, it is worth noting that an overseer of the church is to be "respectable, hospitable...not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome...He must also have a good reputation with outsiders..."[3] It's hard to imagine someone who is obnoxious or forceful with non-Christians meeting these qualifications. In fact, all Christians are called "to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men."[4]

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reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Wow, once again get your facts straight. Halloween is not the satanic pagan event you claim. It is the second largest grossing holiday in the U.S. and it was determined by business to exist. It was based on a harvest ritual.
The fact is that it is also Samhain...and Halloween was keyed up by the Catholic Church too!

Samhain ( /ˈsɑːwɪn/, /ˈsaʊ.ɪn/, or /ˈsaʊn/)[1] is a Gaelic harvest festival held on October 31–November 1. It was linked to festivals held around the same time in other Celtic cultures, and was popularised as the "Celtic New Year" from the late 19th century, following Sir John Rhys and Sir James Frazer.[2] The date of Samhain was associated with the Catholic All Saints' Day (and later All Souls' Day) from at least the 8th century, and both the secular Gaelic and the Catholic liturgical festival have influenced the secular customs now connected with Halloween.[3]

ALSO, you, like many self professed Christians are hypocrites that commit sin every day in the eyes and heart of your Lord. God gave you free will and the ability to choose. God did not give you the bible (or any other Christian artifact or icon) to be self-indulgent and lazy by making everything God's or the bible's responsibility. You were given free will to chart your own course and live your life in those laws. Stop using your religion as an excuse.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by autowrench

 

You realize that those links you posted are just speculation right?

Theres no evidence that this Pizo family had anything to do with the authorship of the NT

Really? No evidence at all, you say? Do you know how to use a search engine?

FOLLOWING THE TRAIL (from the family of Vespasian to the Pisos):

The tie-in is that Arria the Elder was married to the emperor Vespasian’s brother (before Vespasian became emperor). He was T. Flavius Sabinus. From this relationship we find the connection to the alias names of the Pisos as “Paetus”. Quoting from “The True Authorship of the New Testament,” by Abelard Reuchlin:

“Vespasian relied upon Piso because he was grandson of his own brother - Vespasian’s brother, T. Flavius Sabinus, had married Arria Sr. (i.e., Arria the Elder), who was Piso’s maternal grandmother. Piso’s identity as thus also a Flavian is decipherable from the appearance in the Flavian family line of L. Caesennius Paetus

(Townend, Gavin, “Some Flavian Connections,” Journal of Roman Studies, LI. 54, 62, 1961).

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Germanicus Julius Caesar (15 B.C.- A.D. 19)

Titus Calpurnius Siculus

Resisting Slavery in Ancient Rome

Yes, the family really existed, in fact, Julius Caesar was married to a woman of that family. I will admit there is not in your face direct evidence of this, but look at who was in power at the time of the Council, and how the New Testament was canonized, and why. There is a great many discrepancies and an agenda that just will not go away. Not a shred of anything was written about Jesus for some 70 years after he died. Then, all of a sudden, people regained their memory, it seems.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by windword

 

Jesus was not a witch.

To suggest that Jesus was a witch is not only blasphemous but shows a profound ignorance of the biblical teachings in general and the direct teachings of Christ in particular.

Jesus completely confirmed the Old Testament teachings (eg., Matt 5:17-18). The Old Testament expressly forbade and condemned the beliefs/practices of neo-pagans (Deut. 18:9-12).

Furthermore, as the second person of the Trinity, Jesus would not have had any need for occultic power.

Actually, History does in fact prove Jesus was a Magi, short for Magickian:

Was Jesus a Witch?

The full engraving on the bowl reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted by the excavation team to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."

Let's look at the facts:
1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of the religious status quo, and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path.
2. Jesus was a psychic healer.
3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person.
4. Jesus lived close to nature.
5. Jesus believed in magic (only he called it "prayer").
6. Jesus could command the weather.
7. Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements.
8. Like a shaman, Jesus could channel spirits.
9. Jesus was comfortable with sex and eroticism.
10. In his own way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Rede.
11. In his own way, Jesus advocated Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.
12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons.
13. Jesus was killed, unfairly, for his "blasphemy".

Gee, this sounds like a Wiccan, to one is is.

reply to post by autowrench

Not a shred of anything was written about Jesus for some 70 years after he died. Then, all of a sudden, people regained their memory, it seems

Actually there were apparently many books written within those 70 years after he died...

Some of which include...

30-60 Passion Narrative
40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
50-60 1 Thessalonians
50-60 Philippians
50-60 Galatians
50-60 1 Corinthians
50-60 2 Corinthians
50-60 Romans
50-60 Philemon
50-80 Colossians
50-90 Signs Gospel
50-95 Book of Hebrews
50-120 Didache
50-140 Gospel of Thomas
50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
65-80 Gospel of Mark
70-100 Epistle of James
70-120 Egerton Gospel
70-160 Gospel of Peter
70-160 Secret Mark
70-200 Fayyum Fragment
70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
80-100 2 Thessalonians
80-100 Ephesians
80-100 Gospel of Matthew
80-110 1 Peter
80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
80-130 Gospel of Luke
80-130 Acts of the Apostles
80-140 1 Clement
80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
80-250 Christian Sibyllines
90-95 Apocalypse of John
90-120 Gospel of John
90-120 1 John
90-120 2 John
90-120 3 John


Now i won't deny the issues within the bible, theres tons of contradictions and errors all throughout the book... But stating the entire NT was corrupted by a single family is quite the claim, in which there is little to no proof.

Also considering the lessons that are within the bible that apparently came from him are all truth... I would suspect the Pizo family had little if not absolutely nothing to do with the bible as it stands today.

Just my opinion of course

reply to post by WarminIndy


Now let me make a point here, not everyone practises magic. Many pagans and wiccans opt out. So a pagan can be a witch but a witch isn't necessarily a pagan.

I am a pagan but I do not practise magic.

I have met jewitches, christian witches, etc. Just look at the conglomerate that is now voodoo.

If the poster wants to be afraid of any group, go after voodoo.

Originally posted by avatar22


One of the many reasons I left the Christian faith was that I cannot understand how such a loving and compassionate God cannot accept that people could have different ways of worshiping him.
I do not feel that my beliefs are in any way against god. .

I will try to answer this according to my understanding of God, so please just take this as discussion on the subject.

The worship of Yahweh from the beginning (and I only use Yahweh because people want to apply that as His name, I can say Jehova and God meaning the same thing), was as a covenant relationship. God had covenants that He offered to Adam, Abraham, Moses and then Christians through Jesus Christ.

The covenants were created by God and offered and God swore by Himself to keep His part of the covenant and so then it is up to the covenant-receiver to accept or reject the covenant. If we reject the covenant, we reject the covenant-giver and give up the blessings of the covenant. These covenants were signified by the shedding of blood. That is where we have to start.

Certainly the people worshiped other gods, we know they did and they still do, however those other gods were not creators and not covenant-givers. This is the covenant God made with Cain

6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. 9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. 13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

God offered Cain goodness if Cain wanted it, but Cain chose to reject that covenant, and had to leave God. But you see that God was still merciful to Cain. So you can choose to reject God, but you remove yourself from His blessing.

We see throughout the Bible the various covenants. And no, Jesus is not the only one sent to teach us about God, Jesus is, however, the only one sent to offer us salvation and eternal life in fellowship with God through the covenant of the heart circumcision. Many others teach and lead, but without the Holy Spirit to confirm what is holy and what is not, people can follow anything that can pretend to be holy. When we reject the covenant, we reject God. This covenant-giver offers us life, blessings and fellowship with Him. No other religion offers that, what they do offer is endless rites and rituals that people want to believe will bless them. But there is no hope offered. People want to become one with a universe that one day will implode on itself, that is no hope.

God said "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" because He is jealous and He knows those other gods offer nothing and why would anyone want to follow something that offers nothing in return for continual rites and rituals that mean nothing?

You have the right to follow what you want. But you should verify the way you follow to see if it is really holy and good. There are many voices in the world, only one is holy. God said "I AM" and He defined who He is and how we should worship Him. Then offered us a covenant that He will keep if we will.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Now let me make a point here, not everyone practises magic. Many pagans and wiccans opt out. So a pagan can be a witch but a witch isn't necessarily a pagan.

I am a pagan but I do not practise magic.

I have met jewitches, christian witches, etc. Just look at the conglomerate that is now voodoo.

If the poster wants to be afraid of any group, go after voodoo.

LOL a Jewitch, that is funny. Really, it sounds funny but I believe you. My uncle is a missionary to Haiti and has been on 24 trips and the last few years he has been to Nigeria and Ghana. Voodoo is a religion based in possession and revenge. I can't even begin to tell you how many stories he brought back with him from Haiti. It really is sad in Haiti, we in the United States do not really understand the depth of poverty the Haitians live in. Voodoo is a religion that agrees with murder of people you want revenge on.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Even as a pagan, voo doo makes me cringe a little. But I also can't help but find it fascinating. You should post those stories sometime.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Now let me make a point here, not everyone practises magic. Many pagans and wiccans opt out. So a pagan can be a witch but a witch isn't necessarily a pagan.

I am a pagan but I do not practise magic.

I have met jewitches, christian witches, etc. Just look at the conglomerate that is now voodoo.

If the poster wants to be afraid of any group, go after voodoo.

You do not practice magic, but your location under your username says "on my broom"...
That is a stereotypical image about witches, which I know is not right, but it was funny to see you say you do not practice it, but offer your location as the image of how witches were viewed.

I am not picking on you, it was just funny to see this post and then your location.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Whenever the power of the Gospel confronted witchcraft in the New Testament, the power of God always overcame the power of Satan.

Care to explain why only Christians ever get possessed by Demons and Satan?
Care to explain the practice of pouring acid down the throat of a child after an accusation of witchcraft? Oh, don't believe me on that statement? Read on:

African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

The Modern Day Witch Hunters Devouring & Murdering Children

Return to Africa’s Witch Children

Some "Christians" In Africa Killing Children Accused Of Being Witch

More Evidence of Anti-Witch Killings in Africa

Campaigners against the practice say around 15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 states over the past decade and around 1,000 have been murdered. In the past month alone, three Nigerian children accused of witchcraft were killed and another three were set on fire. Nigeria is one of the heartlands of abuse, but hardly the only one: the United Nations Children's Fund says tens of thousands of children have been targeted throughout Africa.

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1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the name of Christ

Please don't try to bow out here by saying, "this is not like all Christians," it is, in fact, a mentality preached from the pulpit to ignorant and gullible people who give, give, give, and support and send these groups to Africa that are murdering children in the name of Christ. Tell me, how can a small child know enough about the Occult Teachings to be a witch?

reply to post by autowrench


You can not blaim all christians for the misguided doings of some people...

The bible and its contents have been responsible for millions of deaths all through out history, but this issue is quite simple to explain.

those who do not read for themselves can be led by the blind... And as you know, if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch...

These people you speak of do not follow Christ....

As he said, "by their fruits you will know them"

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Even as a pagan, voo doo makes me cringe a little. But I also can't help but find it fascinating. You should post those stories sometime.

My uncle was there during the coup in 1994. His way of raising fund was to ask for offerings in churches here, then he would go to the bank and transfer the funds in Haitian currency and then go there to buy things for people, which was easier for him to do because he could not afford airplanes and boats for transporting goods.

He had bought 25 pound bags of rice to give away to people there. While he was passing out the bags, a man had come to him for one. He gave it to the man and as the man went out the door, the Boucour police outside began to yell at the man. My uncle tried to explain to the men that he had given him the rice. At that moment, some US soldiers, who were there to keep the peace, forced my uncle down to the ground as the Boucour shot the man to death. The US soldiers then fired on the Boucour because they had committed murder of an innocent man, just because the Boucour Voodoo priest had ordered the man killed.

Voodoo is run by Boucour, if they want to kill you, they will.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

I know, you care about Lucifer the light bearer instead,

I will quote from your Bible:

"And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19 - 19 KJV)

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
(Revelation 22:16 KJV)

Note that the term ‘morning star’ is used throughout the New Testament and is in reference to Jesus the Christ. Keep this in mind. The Hebrew translation had the word helel in the place of Lucifer, or rather St. Jerome replaced the word helel with Lucifer. What does helel mean? It means ‘shining one’. ‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Shining One son of the dawn.’ ‘…until the day dawns and the Shining One rises in your hearts.’ And what then of the Greek translation? Helel in Greek translates into Eosphorus/Phosphorus. And in this translation the word means ‘light bearer’

Jesus Christ IS the TRUE lucifer (morning star, light bringer)

Since it is clear that Jesus is the "Bright Morning Star" (even said so Himself) then how should we understand Isaiah 14:12?

" How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. (Isaiah 14:12-15 (NIV)

To me, it certainly looks like Jesus is none other than Lucifer, the fallen rebel archangel and Devil supreme. In pursuance of his declared personal manifesto, Lucifer generated christianity and historically set it up under his prevalent name of "Jesus."

What say you now?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by autowrench

 

You can not blaim all christians for the misguided doings of some people...

The bible and its contents have been responsible for millions of deaths all through out history, but this issue is quite simple to explain.

those who do not read for themselves can be led by the blind... And as you know, if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch...

These people you speak of do not follow Christ....

As he said, "by their fruits you will know them"

I am a Christian, but would never, ever call a child a witch. And neither would I pour acid down its throat. I always thought witchcraft was a system that people followed because it involved rites and rituals that person had to invest time in learning about.

It's the Harry Potter/Bewitched Syndrome, people thinking one is born to be able to cast spells and fly about. The people who did this are not really Christian. They are just borrowing the name to give their own religion credence. It is not Christianity, it is false.

If I saw one of them, I would call them out and call them liars because they are not Christian. The Puritans mistook their purity to kill innocent women, they found out they were wrong and those Puritans should have apologized for murder, but even the Puritans did not represent Christianity very well. But Puritans were based in Reform Theology of John Calvin. Oh the Middle-Ages, want a bunch of stupid people then.