Exposing the evils of Wicca Witchcraft!

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


"According to the Bible....."

Didn't need to continue reading after that.

Wicca and Christianity are both based on Paganism, it's just that Christianity removed the worship and care of our planet and put it into an invisible sky entity instead.

Every religion - including Christianity - has rituals. Midnight Mass at Christmas? Whatever the hell it's called in the 3 days before Easter? Those are just two examples of Christian rituals.

The only Wiccans that are evil are those who perform spells and rituals for self gain or to harm others but those are usually kicked out of the religion for doing so. Satan worshippers? They're not true Wiccans because they subscribe to a Christian-based deity who opposed the Christian-based God. Therefore, Wicca is not evil.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by reficul


Pagan Gods and Goddesses Worshipped under the guise of Christian Saints

Except that you are applying this to all Christians, however, as a Christian I do not celebrate or honor or revere those who are called saints. I do not celebrate Halloween because I know the origin. Neither do I celebrate Easter. I do not celebrate Yule. So those things do not apply within my understanding.

I do celebrate the birth of Christ because it was important enough for the whole host of angels to celebrate. As for the day, we all know it really was not December 25th, but it is a day set aside. I don't do mistletoe or the yule log or any of those other things. I do celebrate with remembrance of what the day is about.

And if you knew the history of Christmas, it was actually banned in England under Oliver Cromwell but people still kept the traditions of Yule.

And yes, we know that female deities were worshiped, but Yaweh was the first worshiped deity. He was not created by the Roman Church. He was not even created by Moses. The worship of Yahweh began in the beginning, but people then chose to reject Him and worshiped spirits.

Abraham lived in Ur, which was a pantheon religious society, but when he heard God calling to him, he responded and left that society. That does not mean that God was new or created by Abraham and Abraham did not express God in the image of an idol or point to a tree or a rock and say they were worthy of worship. God was worshiped by Adam, then his sons Cain and Abel, then his son Seth, of whom Jesus descends from.

The unbroken line of faith in Yaweh begins with Adam and continued on to Jesus and now us because we believe in His salvation. Just because people chose to worship other beings does not mean they are older. For instance, the Chinese worshiped Yahweh before Confucius, he was known as ShongDi.

So we have to establish this, the Christians did not invent God. The Jews did not invent God. Because if they invented God, then they invented the gods of the other religions that are named in the Bible, such as Molech.

Joshua 24 is the truth about what was worshiped..

2And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. 3And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.

So God removed Abraham from a polytheistic culture and the condemnation passed on to the people for worshiping other gods.

14Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

The other side of the flood was pre-Noah. Yes, Wicca is an old religion, but it is merely recycled and repackaged. Yahweh has been consistent in His word and His will since He said "Let there be light, and there was light".

So go ahead and serve other gods if you wish. You just can't expect the God you reject to approve or bless you for it.

RevelationGeneration:

I generally try to read the entirety of a thread before posting so my apologizes in advance if this was already asked answered.

1. Do you believe that Jews and Muslims are also being deceived by Lucifer as they have not accepted Christ as Lord and Savior?

2. Do you believe there are Christians who end up doing the devils work because while following the letter of god's word, they are not actually hearing his voice? To phrase it a different way, is it possible that some christians are deceived by Satan into doing his work under the guise of following Christ? I believe you cited it in the first few pages of the thread how the Devil can quote scripture when needed.

reply to post by WarminIndy


How do we know Adam existed? If we can prove Adam existed then we can prove that God/Yahweh existed but as such a thing cannot be done then we have to face facts here.

Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism that changed a few things and broke away as its own thing, later to be adopted by the Roman Empire who had been worshipping multiple Gods and Goddesses that were based somewhat on the Greek myths of Olympus.

The first religion - Paganism - worshipped spirits that represented things like trees, rivers, the sky etc. That later progressed into both Greek and Egyptian culture where several deities representing things were created before Judaism came about condensing those deities into a single entity.

The question is, which came first? Greek Gods/Goddesses or Egyptian Gods/Goddesses?

Once someone can answer that then we have to look and figure out which of those influenced Islam and Judaism before then asking, which of those two came up with the single deity first?

Christianity I'm afraid is the youngest of the major religions and so Yahweh was most definitely not the original in both nature or worship because you saying otherwise shows that your post is based more on what you as a Christian believe than on actual facts because obviously, the religions that came before Christianity didn't mention Adam or Eve at all because they were an invention based on older creation myths.

Perhaps Yahweh was around under a different name but even so, it still doesn't make Christianity the one true religion does it because again, that religion is younger and newer than everything else.

I don't really understand why this thread is still open. It is full of bigotry and hate speech against another person's beliefs. It is can wiccans. is wrong. I can find far more evil acts committed by self proclaimed Christians throughout history than i

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


most people would naturally assum that Christianity allows the existence of only one Devil - the Devil - in other words Lucifer and Satan are the same entity.
If you take a quick look at the texts, you see that the authors of the Bible intended for something quite different.
Satan is the Dark Lord, the agent of materialism. is to be identified with the god of the planet Saturn in Greek and Roman mythology. Could Lucifer, the snake, the tempter who inflames humanity with animal desire, also to be identified with Saturn or how about a seperate planet?

there is a vast body of literature comparing biblical texts to older and contemporary texts from neighbouring cultures, which shows that the two main representatives of evil in the Bible, Satan and Lucifer are not the same person.


Fortunately you dont need to immerse yourselves in that literature, because there is a very explicit statement in the Bible itself: Isaiah 14.12, "How thou art fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning.'
The Morning Star of course, Venus. The Bible, therefore, identifies Lucifer with the planet Venus.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by autowrench

 

See, unlike you, some of us members have done this, and what we found is what keeps us far away from religious cults.

So why are you apart of wicca (one of the biggest cults going)?

Wicca is not a cult you most ill informed person. It's a religion. I dare you to view the stats though I know you won't

www.abs.gov.au...@.NSF/a9ca4374ed453c6bca2570dd007ce0a4/B6518E46EFF518E3CA25697E00184C2C

I've also decided to post this most obvious hate driven attack on our religion on Wiccan websites and the fact that it was allowed to continue in the first place.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Thank you OP., because of you I have decided to learn more about Wicca myself. However, I prefer to learn more about it from people how actually practice the religion and not from some one like you. Sad thing is I actually used ot be a christian, but someone very much like yourself opened my eyes to why I morally couldn't justify following the christian god. Not that I believe he exists any longer, now that I can think logically with out feeling guilty. Sad thing is that once upon a time I used to pray and ask that god to take my ability to think critically away, in the form of asking for faith. Now there is a memory appropriate for the holiday, very scarey.

IN MY OPINION: .You show quite a lot of arrogance for a follower of truth .Your scared child.your scared and your fighting in a war you have no place in.You think you have it all figured don't you? offending others with your words of ignorance. look closer my fellow.For you might fancy yourself a Shepard amongst your sheeple. But look a bit closer and your just a herald amongst my people...Therefore I need not, nor have time for any name calling even though i can see you do. all of you do, as Even in the double edge sword you also call a bible talks about false prophets. i believe you are a candidate for said title being as your misinformation has brought me to this very reply screen.. mate your garbing a blade without a handle.. know thyself .

I have a hard time equating old hippies dancing around a field naked, titties flapping about in the natures air as evil.
Dear mama poisoned a well once with a load of moonshine but everyone got too drunk to complain.
One of the neighbours however did die of fright after spotting her bent over gathering some deadly nightshade in the altogether.
To be fair it was understandable.

reply to post by Hitsuzen


I wholeheartely agree, religion should be a personal experiance. I have been to too many churches where everyone is trying to be Holier than the next, it is really sad to see. Its like they crave attention from God when all they have to do is look inside their own hearts to find what they are looking for.
Besides, everyone knows that the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42.

reply to post by WarminIndy


I wanted to address some of the things you have said due to the fact YOU seem to have a good head on your shoulders and may actually answer me. The OP here has stated that this thread is simply to expose the evils of Wicca, though he has gone on to condemn all non-Christian beliefs. I am not Wiccan, though my path is quite similar. I appreciate hearing your side of this case. Here is mine...

First Commandment:Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The word here is gods, small letters, and the classic definition of this is spirits. So if we worship the "spirits" of nature, which is exactly what nature worship is and you worship a goddess, then you have violated the first commandment.

Most Wiccans and other nature based religions will tell you that their worship of deities (plural) is simply a way in which to follow the many aspects of the one creator god. Much as the Christian god has 3 aspects - father, son, and holy ghost, the Wiccan god is maiden, mother, crone. All of these so called spirits whom are called upon or praised are in fact merely the many faces of GOD (singular). To add to this, just as a Christian finds it easier to relate to a masculine god, Wiccans find it easier to relate to either a feminine god, or (in most cases) the two sides of god- male AND female. Even a Christian will admit that God has no gender.

One can appreciate nature, but to worship nature is entirely different. Moses could not worship anything other than God and even though he was very familiar with Egyptian magic, he did not practice it. Since the OP was about Wicca, then we need to address what Wicca is. It is a philosophical ideal that has become a religion. Wicca is nature worship and their "deity" is the goddess.

Wiccans worship nature because they believe that God is ALL. Nature is a part of God, just as all people are a part of God, just as the sun and the moon and the heavens above are a part of God.

Even though Wicca is considered white, according to my brother who practices it, it does allow black magick, therefore it is not white as people think.

This is only partially correct.
In order to follow the Wiccan way properly there can be no "black" magick. First, Wiccans do not hold to black and white- they believe that in all things there is a positive and a negative. You cannot have one without the other. Those who follow the path the way it is meant to be followed will do their best to only put forth positive energies, through thought, AND action.

The Bible says we are not to worship any other gods. Yahweh is God and Jesus is His Son. They created the entire universe, they are Lord over it. That is not something debatable with us, we won't bend on that because that is the crux of our faith. We have to understand all that is involved in a particular faith viewpoint before we attempt to practice it. We don't call on our God to command Him to our will, that is opposite of Wicca and paganism who seek their will done and ask their spirits to do it for them. Sure, we ask God for different things, that is true, but we accept that nothing can be done if it is not His will. He is still God and we are not. Sure, we sing hymns, because that is what praise and worship is all about. It is about reverence, not about getting God to do our will. The Lord's prayer is "THY will be done in heaven as it is done in earth", not our will, but God's will. If I decide to enact MY will, then it must be done within my power and it is against God.

This is very much the reason why I try not to push MY WILL in my prayers. I understand (as do many Wiccans as well) that the path we are meant to take is not always the path we want to take. There is a meaning to everything we experience in this lifetime and just because we don't like what's happening does not mean there is not something to learn from it.
When I pray I simply ask for guidance. If I am confused as to a decision I need to make, or angry with someone, or saddened by an event, I ask for understanding if God wills it, I ask to be led onto the path I need to take so as to not make the wrong decision. I do not force my will into it because I know that my will is not always God's will.

That is the point the OP was making, these people are practicing a religion that is against God. We hear it from all the critics on here, they speak out against God, they deny God and they argue against what God said. From a philosophical viewpoint, they are simply against God. But at the same time, they ask God for acceptance of their actions against Him. They do not like what they perceive as intolerance against them, but yet show greater intolerance, and twisting religions to justify being against God. It is not really Christians they are against, it is God Himself. The only other one in the Bible who opposed God, found himself on the losing side and since then has gone after humanity to turn them away from God. He has promised false power through false teachings, all designed to turn them away from God. Witchcraft is all about enacting the human will against the spiritual forces that people really have no power over.

One of the many reasons I left the Christian faith was that I cannot understand how such a loving and compassionate God cannot accept that people could have different ways of worshiping him.
I do not feel that my beliefs are in any way against god. I live my life, to the best of my ability, in a loving and compassionate manner. I have sacrificed many comforts for myself and my family so that I could be there for those around me when they had needs - whether it was a roof over their head, food in their stomach, an ear to listen, or a sitter for their child. I personally cannot accept that in order to go on to a better place I must state that Jesus is my lord and savior. He was an amazing man who, I believe, did walk this earth, and was sent by God to teach us a great many things. But, I do not believe that he was the only one who was ever sent to us. I believe we have had a great many teachers and I have tried to live according to the peace and understanding they have all had to share.
If I am wrong in my beliefs then I will gladly stand before God on my judgement day and answer for my sins. If I am to burn for eternity for the life I have led then I will continue to aide those who join me. For we are not evil people.

I have a couple of questions, if you would be so kind to answer....
1. What Christian denomination are you?
2. What version of the bible do you study?

PLPL

Originally posted by Minori
I have a couple of questions, if you would be so kind to answer....
1. What Christian denomination are you?
2. What version of the bible do you study?

PLPL

I believe he stated something about the King James Version being the correct version.

Personally I think everyone of the Christian faith needs to make sure they study the history of the bible. The different versions came about through very political means. The King James Version in particular is this way.

Here is one site that goes into much (not all) of the history of the bible...
English Bible History

reply to post by avatar22


That was exactly the point I was going to make to him. I find it interesting that TPTB at the time picked and choosed what was to be printed. There are many missing books that are not in the bible that people read today.

Here is some more food for thought:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by boymonkey74


The NT does say that.
"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
(Leviticus 19:18 KJV)

Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by avatar22

 

That was exactly the point I was going to make to him. I find it interesting that TPTB at the time picked and choosed what was to be printed. There are many missing books that are not in the bible that people read today.

Here is some more food for thought:

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 31-10-2011 by Minori because: (no reason given)

Exactly.
But, please, don't get me wrong here... my point is not to sway another's beliefs, nor to make them question why they believe so, only that everyone be fully informed as to HOW they came to believe thus.

reply to post by KhaliWitch



Thank you, KhaliWitch, I am happy to see a few more positive people posting in a thread began by hated for a thing no understood, and so filled with hatred and ignorance. The OP claims to know everything there is to know about Wicca, but from what he posted a real one can see the truth of that. The Bible he holds so dead is literally filled with stories of hate, cruelty, incest, murder, and even a nuclear attack on a city. I will never follow a deity like that. The Mother is love abounding. she never calls for sacrifice, or the murder of a child, or the rape of a woman. Here are just a few little tidbits about the God of the OP:
These can all be looked up and read in the KJV Bible.
He lied (Gen 2:17, 2 Sam. 7:13)
He delivered a man, Job, into Satan's hands (Job 2:6)
He ordered stealing (Ezek. 39:10, Ex. 3:22)
He made false prophecies (Jonah 3:4. Gen. 5:10)
He caused adultery (2 Sam. 12:11-12)
He killed (Num. 16:35, 21:6, Deut. 32:39, 1 Sam. 2:26, Psalm 135:10)
He ordered killing (Lev. 26:7-8, Num. 25:4-5)
He was often jealous (Deut. 5:9, 6:15)
He wasn't omnipresent (Gen4:16, 11:5, 1 Kings 19:11-12)
He wasn't omniscient (Deut. 8:2, 13:3, 2 Chron. 32:31)
He often repented (Ex. 32:14, 1 Sam. 15:35)
(Why would God need to repent?)
He sanctioned slavery (Ex. 21:20-21, Deut. 15:17)
He degraded deformed people (Lev. 21:16-23)
He supported human sacrifice (Ex. 22:29-30, Ezek. 20:26)
He ordered cannibalism (Lev. 26: 29, Jer. 19:9)
He demanded virgins as a part of war plunder (Num. 31:31-36)
He sanctioned violation of the enemy's women (Deut. 21:10-14)
He required a woman to marry her rapist (Deut. 22:28:29)
He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law (Gen.
38:9-10)

To me, this God sounds a great deal like the Reptilians we have read about, heard about, and seen throughout history. Not a very good resume for a deity claiming to be the one and only God.