Luciferians control our Reality Matrix by presiding over Scientific Orthodoxy

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by batgirl

 

What was this piece of literature?

Batgirl,


You ought not reply to such individuals who ask not to know but simply to find ways of attacking you. They speak not in frank camaraderie nor as respectful ATS members, these Masons are not Truth Seekers - they are deceptive dissimulators and Truth Hiders.


We can speak elsewhere of details of the story, this is not the place surrounded by hostility and sectarian opposition to the public good, to make oneself vulnerable to their devious attacks.


Leave them without information because they leave us, all who are not privy to their treasured secrets, without any information about what they are given to learn. They constitute a SECT and have chosen to be separate from us, so let us leave them in their chosen Ghetto Temple to play at being self-important. These psychologically handicapped individuals should be pitied for their inability to stand on their own and find their own way about the world without the comfort of a fictitious role in a mock up organization without any genuine social legitimacy.


Cheers,


Getsmart

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Does the fact that over 200,000,000 million people have been murdered by wars and genocides in the twentieth century alone clue you in on whos running the show,who the lord of this fallen world actually is? Lucifer and his demons,who posess our world leaders both past and present.Turning them into diabolic powerslaves who dominante and control us.Their orchestrated wars and genocides are actually massive sacrifices to lucifer in return for wealth,fame and pleasure...

Originally posted by batgirl
What alot of poppycock on this thread. I lived with a mason for a number of years, I even read the literature he was given to read from the higher up masons at the lodge, literature that of course I, as a woman, and a profane one at that, was not supposed to read. And guess what, he was a luciferian outright...

Finally, some one with proof. I am looking forward to a detailed explanation of what you 'read'.

Also, on a personal level, what made you stay with this 'Luciferian' after you found out his horrible secret?

Originally posted by batgirl
The Externalization of the Hierarchy.

Externalizing the Hierarchy involves turning humans into biological hosts into which discarnate fallen angels can incarnate.

One other basic thing:

In Illuminism, the universe of Mind co-exists with the universe of Matter as one continuum. Anyway, long story short, they are trying to prove their Luciferian belief system by using science.

Originally posted by blocula
Does the fact that over 200,000,000 million people have been murdered by wars and genocides in the twentieth century alone clue you in on whos running the show,who the lord of this fallen world actually is? Lucifer and his demons,who posess our world leaders both past and present.Turning them into diabolic powerslaves who dominante and control us.Their orchestrated wars and genocides are actually massive sacrifices to lucifer in return for wealth,fame and pleasure...

You can believe some made up boogeyman is repsonsible for the ills of the world. I tend to be a bit more pragmatic about it, I put the blame on something much more mundane and not at all supernatural, people.

reply to post by Getsmart

I didn't realize asking for sources or validity of the argument was disruption. We hear from batgirl that she read something, but never names the document/manuscript, nor what it explicitly cite that was amoral/wrong. Why is it conspiracy theorists speak so vaguely and generalize rather than give specifics. Or when they say they have a relative (or someone close) who was a Mason and had "access to Luciferian or upper level Masonic plans" they refuse to name them. If they were so powerful and upper level, they would know your username here and have seen the information posted knowing you've already spilled the beans. And if they were so afraid of this getting out they would have taken down the site/page and eliminated the source, but yet the (dis)information is still here.

reply to post by Getsmart

I'm not attacking her. I am asking a question to clarify the discussion. I personally don't just blindly follow vague posts, I like clarification to have the most facts to make a rational decision. I have never lied on this forum and only have ever sought the truth in all matters.

We can speak elsewhere of details of the story, this is not the place surrounded by hostility and sectarian opposition to the public good, to make oneself vulnerable to their devious attacks.

Speak elsewhere? Conspiracy!!!!!

We have not left you without information. We have posted tons of information!! You just ignore it as it doesn't fit your view of who we are. You want us to be evil so anything that supports your view (whether factual, rational, and logical) you jump on board. From the time I've been on this board I've seen nothing but heinous amounts of illogical arguments posted by anti-Masons. Sometimes I've seen a few recant in light of the facts, but most just shove their head farther into the sand.

If we Masons posted half of the personal attacks that you and your type have, you would have called for our banishment long ago (more than you already do).

Ghetto temple? Some of the Temples are rather nice; some are simple, but still nice; and some are falling to time and neglect. We don't see ourselves as self-important nor do we say we are elevated above non-Masons.

Everybody assembles and congregates into groups (or sects). Even you. Just as you keep secrets and, I would hope, value your privacy. I didn't realize we needed your approval to meet or meet your views of legitimacy to assemble?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Over and over,again and again,no matter what any of our leaders say and do,theres never enough jobs to go around,homes continue to be forclosed,people are brushed aside and go hungry,people drift in despair and are made homeless,wars continue on and on and genocide is alive and well and its no accident,its by calculated and nefarious design...

Why anyone idolizes and praises our world leaders,why political candidates are cheered and worshiped at rallies is beyond my comprehension...

They are all cut from the same cloth and none of them are going to fix our travesties and injustices,because they are responsible for creating the travesties and injustices they promise to eradicate and none of them ever do...

They are wolves in sheeps clothing filling the mainstream with fear and hate,false hopes and lies disguised as overtures of goodwill and blind faith rhetoric...

They toss around billions and trillions of dollars for their evil war machines,but theres never enough to help the common people...

The masses of sheeple are born to follow and the cult of personality lives on...

Originally posted by blocula
...theres never enough jobs to go around...

They are all cut from the same cloth and none of them are going to fix our travesties and injustices...

They toss around billions and trillions of dollars for their evil war machines,but theres never enough to help the common people...

When people stop waiting on government to give them handouts then maybe they will not have so many issues in life. When you do for yourself it gets done, when you wait on others you may be waiting a long time.

heh heh, as if, as if I could ever give enough verifiable proof to you that freemasons essentially worship Lucifer, whatever proof I were to give, if even having been written by freemasons themselves (which it has been) would never be good enough for you. At least not on a public forum. You would use ridiculous excuses to tear it apart. And to tear me apart. Where is your Supreme Being now, that He/She IT would justify the tearing apart of another person, if even on a public forum. You show your true colours. Hungry Lions waiting to devour, where is your compassion, your empathy, your humanity.

Ah, the intellect, needs answering, what literature??? the literature I read as a common-law wife of a luciferian freemason. I could give you verse and quote but you would deny it, deny me my own reality. The life I lived. I don't care if you believe me or not, I know my own life to be true. My God knows I speak the truth, that is what matters. Think what you want, The Truth will come out, if not in this world then the next. Truth is a Power in and of itself, it will not and cannot be silenced by it's very nature. Think on that for awhile.....

Originally posted by batgirl
heh heh, as if, as if I could ever give enough verifiable proof to you that freemasons essentially worship Lucifer, whatever proof I were to give, if even having been written by freemasons themselves (which it has been) would never be good enough for you.

Stop making lame excuses. If you have something post it. Otherwise you are just trolling. You think you are the first person to claim to have read something? Every single one of them has always made a poor excuse why they just could not post the information. Are you going to be like the rest of them?

...the literature I read as a common-law wife of a luciferian freemason. I could give you verse and quote but you would deny it...

Please do, along with the source literature.

Does it really matter if Freemasons won't admit to worshipping Lucifer? Whatever they are worshipping, by any name, is a demon. Therefore, Freemasons cannot avoid worshiping Satan by proxy.

Freemasonry is just another "secret society" created by the Synagogue of Satan, those that call themselves Jews, but who are not. I understand that initiates call themselves Jews as well.

The scary thing - freemasonry is getting a lot of Internet coverage these days... Leads me to wonder if the higher ups plan to sacrifice their lower ranks as a scapegoat? You know, the "they are responsible for all the evils in the world", the lower blinded one's are taken down, whilst the higher ups just carry on under their various other names. The amount of Freemasons on this thread who have their backs up to the wall seem to indicate that they may be sensing the same thing. To me, any society that requires membership and oaths BEFORE worship begins ,depends on blinded individuals willing to say "Hey, I'm up for worshipping whomever you say".

Seriously, how can anyone join a religion not knowing what is required, not knowing what oaths must be sworn, what you are worshipping, what the leaders have prepared for you? Is the possibility of obtaining "secret" knowledge that powerful of a draw that you lose all sense of rational thought upon entering? Is it such a draw that you can disregard every testimony from ex-Masons?

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Does it really matter if Freemasons won't admit to worshipping Lucifer? Whatever they are worshipping, by any name, is a demon. Therefore, Freemasons cannot avoid worshiping Satan by proxy.

How is it that all of you believe in the boogeyman (Satan/Lucifer) and his pals (demons) but the people who do not are accused of worshipping the same?

Freemasonry is just another "secret society" created by the Synagogue of Satan, those that call themselves Jews, but who are not. I understand that initiates call themselves Jews as well.

Really? Did you just pull this out of your rear?

Does A Satanic Cult Rule The World? > www.rense.com...

'Brother' Eliphas Levi
The Mysteries of Magic

"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism." page 428
Masonic Diversion: 'But Levi wasn't a Mason!'

Fact: Eliphas Levi was a Freemason.

He was initiated at the Lodge Rose du Parfait Silence of the Grand Orient of France on 14 March, 1861 in Paris. M. Caudet who was the Venerable(Worshipful Master) at Levi's Masonic initiation is quoted in the Masonic Work 'Eliphas Levi, written by Paul Chacornac thusly:

"In his reception speech, Eliphas Levi, to the great astonishment of his auditors, little inclined to paradoxes, made the following statement: 'I come to bring you your lost traditions, the exact knowledge of your signs and emblems, and in consequence to show you the aim for the attainment of which your association has been constituted.' He then tried to demonstrate to his coreligionists that Masonic Symbolism is borrowed from the Cabala. It was time wasted. No one believed him."
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Taken not from the literature that I read but that which the public has now had access to.

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Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 32°
Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite
Grand Orient of France
The Secret Doctrine

"Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization.. Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)
"It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time." page 539
Masonic Diversion: But Blavatsky wasn't a Freemason!

Fact: Blavatsky was a Freemason.

There is considerable literature relating to Blavatsky's Masonic connections. In her Scrapbook, vol.III, p.256, on January 1878, she recorded that she received a diploma of the 32nd Degree in the Ancient and Primitive Rite of England and Wales. In the following month the issue was raised in the Franklin Register and Norfolk County Journal, the material of which has been published in H.P. Blavatsky. Collected Writings. Volume One. 1874-1868. On p.309, we learn that the Ancient and Primitive Rite was originally chartered in America, on 9 November 1856, with David McClellan as Grand Master, and that it submitted entirely in 1862 to the Grand Orient of France.
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I remember when i was a little kid,how many times my great aunt would call and write to her sister my great grandmother,complaining and crying about how her husband,a Mason for over 50 years,who must have certainly attained quite a high degree amongst them,had signed over their house,all their posessions and all their money to the Masons...

They willed every single thing to them as required upon their deaths and how sorry she was that she was forced to do it and was unable to leave anything,not a penny,to her children or other family members...

That was in the late 1970's and early 1980's and thats exactly what happened,they died and every single item,every dollar and cent,everything from the house,bank accounts and life insurance,from the carpets to the car,lock,stock and barrel,all went to the Masons...

Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 32°
Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite
Grand Orient of France
The Secret Doctrine

"Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization.. Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)
"It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time." page 539
Masonic Diversion: But Blavatsky wasn't a Freemason!
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reply to post by batgirl

You realize that the belief that Masons worship Satan comes from a hoax? The Taxil Hoax to be specific. The use of "Lucifer" talks not of a deity, but of knowledge, enlightenment.

You may know your own life to be true, but so do I in relation to my life and my actual experience in the Blue Lodge, York Rite, Scottish Rite, and Eastern Star.

reply to post by WhoKnows100

Demon worship? Well, as Freemasonry does not define the members faith so each is left to worship at his own time and by the means of his individual faith. So unless you know the Almighty's mind and his relationship to me, you really can't say who I worship...only God and I can.

Ah, another anti-Jew. Freemasonry is not a Jewish organization and if we were so secret then why can you find so much about us on the Internet? Or find where our buildings and meeting times are? And no, we do not call ourselves Jews, that is a new one for me.

My back is not against the wall. It would be kind of hard to pin stuff on me. We don't worship in the Lodge as Freemasonry is not a religion (we don't meet the basic requirements to be one). As I said before, we require our members to be men of faith, but the fraternity does not define the individual's faith.

Is it such a draw that you can disregard every testimony from ex-Masons?

Like those off of EMFJ? I've read through their testimonials and laughed at the complete and obvious lies. Plus I have held higher positions than most of them as well as going through more degrees.

Sorry, double post. The point is that there is alot even disseminated to public access that points to the obvious. I know someone who's father was according to him a Grand Master and he resents it to this day that his father rarely spent any time with him. His father was too busy 'travelling' going to the various lodges, studying. One woman I've heard of was married to her husband (a freemason) for over 40 years, she thought they had a good marriage, he eventually died, and when it came time for the funeral she found that she wasn't invited. He had left instructions that she wasn't to attend. Not her or any other woman, only the brethren, he was to have a masonic funeral and she wasn't welcome. This crushed her, she truly had a hard time to comprehend this was her husband's wish. Disrespectful is what it is. Nevermind the marriages that have faltered because of the first allegiance is to the lodge.And the money paid in dues that could be going towards the family.

Well, yes, I suppose this is rather off-topic now.But this is what happens when you get involved in a cult, any cult, including a luciferian one. And this is a world-wide cult. It is basically a deadly dangerous philosophy that has hurt the very real lives of many people. All in the name of precious secret or not secret at all knowledge.

You want to practice your knowledge, go right ahead, obviously your not leaving the rest of the world out of it, and this world was not created by you for you to manipulate as you will.

the Khazar are luciferians. They want to eliminate religion, enslave you and take away your wealth. Poor dumb people they can rape, murder, and play with. That the NWO at its finest.

luciferians of the day = Khazar of times past.

the red shield of the illuminati organizations are the beast. They will try and make a world religion and then erase all religion. Satan is just an excuse. they actually dont really believe in anything IMO