Job! Jobs! Jobs! Cheering on our own slavery. Employment bubble popped. Fight against work.

Originally posted by Aeons
Your system assumes a lack of corruption. That everyone thinks the same. That people love the system. It works no other way.

None of these things are possible. It is a lie, and it is utterly creepy that you cannot fathom it.

I don't see how it assumes that everyone is the same. If you don't have to work as much and your basic needs are met, you would have more free time. And if you are just not pissed off at "the system" (like many people today are) then you're more likely to spend your time expressing your creative abilities and talents. So feel free to express your individuality... and most people, I think, would feel good about their natural abilities and aspirations actually being useful for the betterment of others, such as growing food could do.

Anything is possible. Change is the only constant. As you can see, a growing number of people are wanting change right now, so inevitably it will happen. If you want it to be a good change, then do what you can to make it good.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman

 

Do a little research. Didn't I already post links to this stuff earlier. Google news, mortgage fraud. Quite a few lawsuits going on now against the major players. How do you not know this.

You still live at home with your mother?

I see some things, yes.
I see where banks, were allowed to do what they did because of working the laws.
Lawsuits are not criminal, but civil.

Show me some criminal convictions please, as that is how people are deemed guilty, not just mob rule.

And no, I actually take care of myself and my family, and don't whine and cry about not getting help from the Govt.

reply to post by elocin


You can be told straight up what the problem is and that it won't fly with many people, and your brain cannot and will not see it because it disturbs your vision.

You can meet someone who by existing, destroys your system, just by existing. But you can't integrate that. That's how fragile your system is.

You want a change that is insane. Literally delusional.

You jump from problem to solution, with no consideration or thought in between.

No. No. Absol-fracking-luting No.

Originally posted by elocin

Originally posted by Aeons
We are not working a share. For a share, we would have agree on the goal. I don't agree with your goal, so my share is not a share it is enforced slavery. The ultimate irony.

The "goal" would be the betterment of society and mankind, and to improve the efficiency of everything that we need and do. I don't think you understand. Your conclusion that it's "creepy" lead me to believe that you're just afraid of change.

I am the soul of the innovator my dear.

Your change isn't change - it is consistently the ultimate horror. I am not afraid of change - I am however smart enough not to be in the room when Frankenstein is born, and to instead to making plans to blow him up as soon as he's released.

So .... How many of you are honest and will admit that the first thing you did after reading my objection is that you went and discussed or thought about how it is better for everyone if people like me were removed? For the betterment of "everyone" (you).

Hmmm? See I've had this conversation before, in person. I know that some of you did.

reply to post by macman


There has been more news, and I have already posted links here. It isn't exactly easy to unravel the large number of scams. You just don't want to know, too easy to blame the people on the bottom.

www.businessweek.com...

www.risk.net...

Who is crying about government handouts? Corporations are by far the biggest welfare queens.

reply to post by poet1b


I'm sorry, but where have I said that the corporations aren't to be held accountable for their actions?

You run on the knee jerk reaction, as most do, that I am just solely for the Banks and/or Corporations.

But to suggest that all involved aren't to blame, it taking one side. You appear to have chosen to attach Companies.
I think both sides are at fault.

OP, I agree with you. People rioting for jobs do not understand they are supporting being Slaves. We do not need jobs to survive. We are spiritual beings and we can do far more than make widgets and serve french fries. We have been brainwashed into thinking we are nothing more than monkeys.

Peace to all.

reply to post by Aeons


Are you describing our current situation, or what you perceive as what the op proposes?

The system doesn't allow for growth.

The system means giving over every aspect of human life to a system that you have to hope will be a benign dictatorship.

It removes reward for innovation, and indeed discourages it as being disruptive to the system.

It presumes that everyone would be happy in this system, which would make anyone who is not an enemy.

It is based on conformity of thought, so variation from it would be traitorous.

It presumes work is free.

It would lead to a system of expansionism as the needed extra resources must be provided from outside this system to float the vast numbers of the lazy - and yes, they are lazy.

It requires a controlled monoculture.

Currently, we have a system controlled by corporate, conformist bureaucrats who pretend to work.

Everything you describe here accurately reflects the corporate environment.

Work is a necessary function of energy production, even in an agrarian system. Presuming that food comes without work is not just selfish, but literally contrary to physics. Automation would mean even worse mono agriculture, or to go the other way requires work. Which then removes the entire basis of your system.

Um, the Op never said people shouldn't work. The op points out how screwed up this system is where we are all expected to get JOBs. I discovered long ago that when I work for myself, I earn a great deal more than I get from the corporate system.

The problem is that the whole investor driven corporate controlled society has ended property ownership, and forced everybody into life long debt, paying into the corporate banking debt creating machine.

If you want a decent paying job you have to go to college for four years and start you life off deeply in debt. It is a scam. These schools don't educate young people, they condition them to be life long slaves, and original thought is not encourage, but in fact discouraged.

By the way, most people I know are not lazy.

reply to post by macman


Post after post you have done everything possible to divert blame from corporations, who intentionally ran this scam that wrecked our economy, and tried to blame everyone and anyone else.

How is it that corporations have so many loyal slaves?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman

 

Post after post you have done everything possible to divert blame from corporations, who intentionally ran this scam that wrecked our economy, and tried to blame everyone and anyone else.

How is it that corporations have so many loyal slaves?

Um, no!!
I am not in the camp of just blame the Banks and Corporations, as it still takes a person to sign the agreement.

This is not immaculate conception of a home loan, where only one person is needed.
That seems to be the talking points from you.

Just because you are offered something, does not mean you have to take it.

reply to post by macman


You are in the camp of defending corporate crimes.

You are so politically correct, and you don't even know it, toeing the corporate line.

It is as if you don't even believe individuals should have property rights.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by macman

 

You are in the camp of defending corporate crimes.

You are so politically correct, and you don't even know it, toeing the corporate line.

It is as if you don't even believe individuals should have property rights.

Where do you come up with this crap?
THE BANKS ARE AT FAULT AS WELL.

Does that clarify my stance?

Also include this.
IT IS THE PERSON SIGNING THE LOANS FAULT ALSO.

Again, in the ATS fashion, please provide me the criminal cases for the banker crimes you speak of.

reply to post by poet1b


You jump from problem to solution with no thought in between. And your solution sucks.

I do not support corporations using their resources to push around individuals. Nor do I support the rebranded communist utopia.

I do not accept your presentation of an illogical either-or situation in a world of a billion choices per nano-second.

reply to post by macman


Once again,

THE BANKERS INTENTIONALLY COMMITTED CRIMES,

while the people losing their homes simply, foolishly, agreed to harsh terms that they hoped they could meet, with no intent on defaulting.

This is the reality you refuse to acknowledge.

The Elite are just our Shadow (EGO). The same group leading us today are from a bloodline that has never changed. Their ancestors were the other dictators in this world. They are a group that is basically giving us what our ego demands. Our Egos control our destiny. The ruling class use fear to keep us dependent on them. They cause the wars, market crash etc. and we cower in fear because we allow the EGO to control us. We are more than just pawns in the game and if we ever evolve we will not need a ruling parasitic bloodline to enslave us. The bloodline will dissolve we we stop fearing them. Once we drop the false ego we will see life is magical. Do not fear what is ahead. Fear is keeping us down.

Peace to all.

Uhg. More people saying that the way to peace is to submit to their ideas. All you need to do is stop being a person, an individuated human being, and everything will be better.

reply to post by Aeons

your solution sucks.

What solution? I didn't offer one in that post. And I certainly did not propose an either or solution.

All I did was point out that what you disagree with is the current situation.

Nor do I support the rebranded communist utopia.

If you are referring to the con of the "free market" which is nothing but re-branded communism, then we agree.

reply to post by Buford2


Seems to me that they aren't cowering in fear, but marching in front of the banks, voicing their disapproval.

The banking ICs are the ones cowering.

reply to post by doctornamtab


I say work smart. Got a cat dog or real children? Support some one? Claim for those. Yes get a ssn for your cat/ dog and say it's a newborn person. Claim as many people as possible so you do not pay in a dime to IRS!!!!
Or work under the table, join the black market, or sell drugs/mj/whatever. I don't condone useage***T&C Disclaimer*****. Ok but that's how I see things...do what big corps do, find ways around it and loopholes. NEver incorporate if you own a small business, use nonprofit in your title. If you can't beat em join em!!!!