"Orrin Hatch: The 'Poor' Should Do More To Shrink Debt, Not The Rich"

reply to post by TheMisanthrope

Given that there are more poor and middle class, of course they shoulder
some of the burden reducing the debt.
Eliminating all social service programs would be a good place to start.

I have a better idea, nationalize resources and energy sources and use the profit
to fund social programs.

Make the poor shoulder the debt? Who created this false debt in the first place?
Those responsible should pay the same way that they lend money,
print it out of thin air, instead of bailing out companies government should be bailing
out families. (Government should also take back control of printing it's own currency).

People choose to live in hurricane prone areas and do not get the proper insurance. That is their fault and theirs alone. Subsidizing that decision is NOT a function of government.

You're dealing with people who are born there, it's hard to abandon your HOME.
Did they choose to be born there? Beyond this, not everyone has the financial
capital to move nor a career waiting for them in another State.
Especially with the way the economy is right now.

Thank the unions, taxes, and governmental regulations for forcing jobs overseas. Government has no Constitutional obligation to force private businesses to stay in the U.S.

You honestly believe this Neo-Liberal propaganda?
The real reason USA lost it's manufacturing base, and most of its jobs,
is because it's cheaper to produce crap in China, why? because of LACK of government regulations,
such as, but not limited to, border tariffs which serve the purpose of
making local products competitive price wise with imported products,
that's how you protect your national economy and local jobs,
not via globalization, free trade and other Neo-Liberal Cash grabs.

No one is forced to be poor for the entirety of their lives. Sure blame can be placed on a number of entities, but ever notice the majority of the poor seldom place the blame on themselves?

Have you ever been poor in your life? Not everyone has the means to finish university,
especially not in the United States. Being poor is not just lack of money that is the problem,
it's the societal and cultural entourage that is filled with depression, alcoholism,
drug addiction and crime, not to mention regular societal problems
such as the increase in Anomie, but I won't go detailing the negative sociological impacts
an unregulated market, along with liberal and Neo-Liberal propaganda,
bring on because I don't have time right now.

Someone who was raised with everything handed to him from the start will never understand
hard work, it's hard to work 2 to 3 minimum wage jobs while going to school and having
tons of bills to pay. A poor person has, according to Bourdieu, low Cultural Capital (knowledge),
low Economic Capital, low Social Capital (connections/networking) and low Symbolic Capital (prestige).
But it's this person's fault for being poor right? Give me a break.
The only way people can get out of poverty is through OPPORTUNITY,
most never get one, worst yet, they can't CREATE one.

Businesses have only one motive: to make profit. If higher profit can be made by moving the factory offshore,
it is the smart business decision.

Yes, due to Neo-Liberal policies. If all businesses care about is Profit then wonder why the
environment and economy is going down the toilet. More reason to have government
regulations, to keep the economy in check. If there were tariffs in place,
would it be more economically sound for business to built manufacturing plants
here or continue to ship them offshore? Think of the transport costs, and think of
the fact that local businesses and manufacturing plants don't pay tariffs.
You seek profitable solutions, this is one that benefits the workers, who, BY THE WAY,
are also consumers, and if consumers have more money to spend, they consume more,
hence businesses make more profit. When you export all the jobs, whose gonna buy your crap?
I find it very entertaining that most businesses think that the consumers have
unlimited funds to spend. If you can't see the paradox then you shouldn't be preaching
Neo-Liberalism. It's a disease on the world, just like Communism.
Neo-Liberalism works when a handful of businesses use the approach,
but when EVERYONE jumps on the bandwagon the train derails, and very quickly.

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by zero1020

 

Why do people expect everything to be equal in America when it comes to work and income??? Are we trying to create a socialist country here? If you're good at what you do you will be taken care of...FACT........We live in the land of opportunity, that statement there is true, I came from a poor family, had my struggles through HS to my late teens/early twenties, but I got my act together, got into college (paid for college myself), and landed a great sales job where I make a very comfortable income....My story isn't some 1 in a million type story, if I can do it, anyone can do it.....People today expect to be given everything. Sometimes you have to go after what you want, it may be tough, but after everythings said and done, its definitely worth it....

I have to commend your ability to have... absolutely no perspective whatsoever. If jobs aren't available because of an economic crisis, then many good, hard workers will be laid off. Coming from an employer, it has very little to do with work dedication when we're talking about low-level employees with high salaries; all of them are 'dedicated workers', or they don't last through the entry period so we don't have to pay them severance. The current economical situation was created by skews in the market created by banks and large corporations monopolizing housing with gargantuan mortgage interest rates that ***may vary slightly***, and forcing work overseas. They are responsible, and still heavily profiting, from the disadvantages of our fellow workers.... and all you can seem to do is call them stupid and throw stones at them and tell them how much better you did than them? I don't think that's fair.

reply to post by TheOrangeBrood


Jobs are available.....I could leave my job today and have another great job by next week ....If you are good at your profession you can easily find work today....I dont buy what you're selling one bit.....

And please tell me where in my previous post did I call people stupid or throw stones at them? If anything, I was telling my story as an example that people can find work today.... A lot of people in america are lazy, they don't take the necessary steps to gain employment and ulitmately end up relying on programs that should be eliminated like welfare....

Actually he's right. It is our fault.

We should have strung these banksters and their corrupt politician buddies up from a rope years ago - then we wouldn't be in this mess...

reply to post by inforeal


WOW! The HUFFington Post eh? And here I was going to shine a light on you but since your reference is the HP... well, I think that speaks for itself.

As for the unemployed.... I'm sure that you, like Obama, are still blaming Bush.

Just ask the folks at NASA... what is it? 10,000 pink slips coming?

Lets see
Hammer the poor and middle class..the people whom take every penny they earn and toss it right back out the door to fuel commerce...

and leave the rich alone..the people whom take the mass amount of money in the states and hold it in banks, often overseas, to cripple the economy.

Sure, makes perfect sense...

Well, perfect sense so long as your trying desperately to collapse the economic system in the country.

reply to post by inforeal


The easyest way of reducing the debt is to take away all earned credits. That would reduce the debt quickly since 50 percent of the people get a refund for more than they pay in at tax time. Take all that extra money and pay down the debt.

reply to post by inforeal


I've heard democrats say the same. Don't add in a straw that's not needed.



To be honest, nothing short of a unilateral effort from poor and rich will cause the nation and economy to stop failing. This will not happen though. Thus let it burn.


And yea, actually watching the video, I don't disagree with him.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I think the debt should be balanced on the backs of the poor elderly and disabled. It is these peoples fault we are in such a mess and should therefor take the biggest financial burden. Rich people are used to their tax breaks and work a lot harder than the elderly and disabled.

This is satire.... no?

God I hope it is.

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by TheOrangeBrood

 

Jobs are available.....I could leave my job today and have another great job by next week ....If you are good at your profession you can easily find work today....I dont buy what you're selling one bit.....

And please tell me where in my previous post did I call people stupid or throw stones at them? If anything, I was telling my story as an example that people can find work today.... A lot of people in america are lazy, they don't take the necessary steps to gain employment and ulitmately end up relying on programs that should be eliminated like welfare....

edit on 8-7-2011 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

If you are "good" at your profession. This implies serious proof of experience. Also, certain industries have been hit harder than other industries. I live in Florida.... We have air condition businesses. Do you know how many are left? Only a handful in my area. So where do you go when you get laid off and there is no alternative?

You move right? What if you can't afford to do so?

You're stuck?

What about kids who haven't had the experience? McDonalds isn't going to pay for College and bills and food and housing.....

What you are doing... is taking your personal experience and imposing that upon every one else in the country. Just because "You" can get another job -- does not mean the A/C guy can....

You dig?

Don't be so naive.

citywire.co.uk...
According to this article Tax Evasion costs the UK 15xmore than benefit fraud and Tax Evasion is not a crime?
Limbo

Originally posted by D377MC

Originally posted by NuroSlam

Originally posted by D377MC

It's a sad world we live in. In an ideal world, idiots like Orrin Hatch would be lined up against the wall and shot, and good riddance to the fool.

Your ideal world is one where people are lined up and shot for being an idiot? wow, I would say I'm shocked but the truth is, I have found that just about anyone who thinks we need government thinks this way.

Don't play ignorant for the sake of it please. Or google 'hyperbole' if you weren't.

I don't play anything, your words were lined up and shot. I don't know your from a homeless man asking me for food, so don't assume I'm going to give you a pass on this idea that people should be killed for no reason other then an opinion. I was raised to say what I mean and mean what I say, and I expect no less from anyone else. Your attempt at "humour" shows much about your character and your total disrespect for human life.

reply to post by jhn7537


and what of the people who are working,
and still relying on those programs????

I know there's there, there's a few working the shop I am working for!!!

reply to post by SaturnFX


not to mention taking their millions to wall street and gambling with such things as cdo's and credit default swaps and the like!!!

seems to me, wall street has plenty of money floating through it,
money that could be floating through our economy, if us pions had a little more of it. heck, maybe some of us would find starting a business a little more realistic, or expanding the one we had, if a little more money was flowing through main street, instead of sitting on the gambling table called wall street!

Originally posted by NuroSlam

Originally posted by D377MC

Originally posted by NuroSlam

Originally posted by D377MC

It's a sad world we live in. In an ideal world, idiots like Orrin Hatch would be lined up against the wall and shot, and good riddance to the fool.

Your ideal world is one where people are lined up and shot for being an idiot? wow, I would say I'm shocked but the truth is, I have found that just about anyone who thinks we need government thinks this way.

Don't play ignorant for the sake of it please. Or google 'hyperbole' if you weren't.

I don't play anything, your words were lined up and shot. I don't know your from a homeless man asking me for food, so don't assume I'm going to give you a pass on this idea that people should be killed for no reason other then an opinion. I was raised to say what I mean and mean what I say, and I expect no less from anyone else. Your attempt at "humour" shows much about your character and your total disrespect for human life.

It's quite difficult for you isn't it? You seem to be having a hard time. Hyperbole is not humor. Further, it has nothing to do with 'killing someone for an opinion', that is your own deduction in your own private conversation..

The opinions we are graced with serve either to prepare or to justify the policies that are destroying this country. Who cares what he says? He's a fool. I care what he does, because it is plain obvious from his connections, the contributions he receives from large corporations and his voting record that he is part of the problem.

When as a US senator you consistently decide and vote in favor of corporations (check his involvement in the BP spill ), who incidentally are contributing thousands to your office, to the detriment of the people whom you are meant to represent then you are a traitor, and throughout human history traitors have been hung.

We stopped that in the 1990's, and look at the result...it has become a prerequisite to political life.

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by hadriana
Why do we only elect the rich?

Barack Obama was not rich. He turned out just like the rich kid we elected before him.

Really, by all standards he was wealthy before he started in Politics.

I don't see the poor buying up everything on credit! It's the rich and then they can't pay it! I know many people who are well off yet they still live beyond their means. They all complain yet STILL whip out their credit cards to buy things they don't need, then complain later about. I have zero sympathy for people like this!


So IMO the rich are causing alot of this debt not the poor!

Poor means NO money!! Does this idiot not know that?

I have zero credit cards and only buy what I need and 90% of the time I shop
at thrift stores for household items.

Originally posted by NuroSlam

It's a sad world we live in. In an ideal world, idiots like Orrin Hatch would be lined up against the wall and shot, and good riddance to the fool.

Your ideal world is one where people are lined up and shot for being an idiot? wow, I would say I'm shocked but the truth is, I have found that just about anyone who thinks we need government thinks this way.

I have found that just about anyone who thinks we need government thinks this way

What a wonderful generalization. BRAVO! I am assuming you believe we don't need government and should let Corporations and Bankers rape our country. Although I know our government is dysfunctional, that is only because the Bankers and Corporations are in control of our government and influencing policies. In truth we do need government to focus on the peoples need but without Bankers and Corporations corrupting them. Our government are our representative and will always remain so to address the peoples needs.

Originally posted by D377MC
It's quite difficult for you isn't it? You seem to be having a hard time. Hyperbole is not humor. Further, it has nothing to do with 'killing someone for an opinion', that is your own deduction in your own private conversation..

I know exactly what it means, I have no difficultly with english.

The opinions we are graced with serve either to prepare or to justify the policies that are destroying this country. Who cares what he says? He's a fool. I care what he does, because it is plain obvious from his connections, the contributions he receives from large corporations and his voting record that he is part of the problem.

Here in lies the rub, you think government is the solution, I have no such illusion. Every one in office is a criminal and by your reasoning, should be "lined up and shot".

When as a US senator you consistently decide and vote in favor of corporations (check his involvement in the BP spill ), who incidentally are contributing thousands to your office, to the detriment of the people whom you are meant to represent then you are a traitor, and throughout human history traitors have been hung.

Yes. violence has always been the answer, Why wasnt wilson hung? roosevelt, nixon, jackson? You have a god like faith in government it seems.
And really, the environmentalists are as much to blame for the BP spill as anyone in office

We stopped that in the 1990's, and look at the result...it has become a prerequisite to political life.

You seriously expect me to believe that politicians were different in the 80's? you honestly think i was born yesterday?

If you want to believe that killing people is a solution you go right ahead and think that

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
What a wonderful generalization. BRAVO! I am assuming you believe we don't need government and should let Corporations and Bankers rape our country. Although I know our government is dysfunctional, that is only because the Bankers and Corporations are in control of our government and influencing policies. In truth we do need government to focus on the peoples need but without Bankers and Corporations corrupting them. Our government are our representative and will always remain so to address the peoples needs.

1. The banks today exist because the GOVERNMENT allows it. So end the Fed
2. The corporations are GOVERNMENT GRANTED MONOPOLIES. So stop patents, copyrights and all the other nonsense that allows corporations to "rape" the people.
3. When GOVERNMENT actually addresses the individuals rights to life liberty and property then I might agree with you. So end the wars, end entitlements that have my 6 year old daughter in debt for how many thousands of dollars already in her young life.
4. The mere fact that I "think" GOVERNMENT is pointless has me labelled a domestic terrorist. You keep your GOVERNMENT,