The Greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind

People say that religion never gets people to the Moon, but religion is there to get people to heaven not a place of lifeless dust.

Religion is about our souls reaching a higher level, there is no need for fancy spaceships it is beyond technology.

They say some Angels have devices or orb like lights around them, some have wheels with eyes around them like the ones from Ezekiel.

No doubt there is still a war in heaven whatever that means, it is no longer a save place unless they have been hurled down by the Angel Michael and his Angels.

The devil also appears as the wind or a being of light that is no surprise, he probably uses that ability to spread UFO stories, and behind that there is the old Nephilim story that alien abductees express some type of cross breading programme with humans.

You will also find that a being of light is responsible for a lot of religions after the Bible was put together and that I feel is his army building scheme against the truth of the Bible and his believers and how many times have we seen Christians driven out or killed because this so called new revelation to mankind? We see it on the news today but it has been going on for centuries.

Before people discredit the Bible I just like to say I have experienced or seen its work, but you need to really want to know before you reach that level or have faith before things are revealed to you and that is the way it works and it’s a pity people do read it only to take it apart as myth, when their knowledge in faith could have opened its spiritual power.

The denial of effect will weaken people into hating Christ and denying his authority and losen the spiritual power that protects them, the trend is seen when people try and ban the cross, the use of his name, called a myth for the sake of evolution while society becomes lawless, people get off easily for drug offenses while people are taken to court for serving bacon at work. Nations will be driven to spiritual weakness, they will abandon justice for the sake of a cruel serving system that nobody wants or a system so weak that no one respects the consequences.

reply to post by 547000


547000 if you insist on linking aliens and demons , I cannot stop you. But personaly speaking , I think its a mistake.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


dude, too much internet surfing?

I do not agree with you, but thank for inspirational thread that actually brought many interesting answers!

reply to post by autowrench


Experience and research. Because you don't have the experience that tells you without a doubt that the crucifixion was a real event you wouldn't know that there are both spirits and lying spirits.

The greatest BS ever perpetrated on Mankind was 9/11.

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You, a religious zealot have no say in the orgins of these beings, you do not know them, nor do any of your descendants live to their era, your entire family tree dies within 500 years, not one trace of your kind will exist.
I am referring to those, who believe any and allnaliens are demons or devils, while claiming humans are gods favorite, how childish.

You as an individual, are racist. Believing that Arabs comes to America to dilute your soil, even though your kind stole it from another. I know everything about your kind, you fear change and differences, you live in the states, near mid southern area.

The greatest hoax, is not visiting, its been on this earth for awhile now, and that is religion, you believe in a god that isn't there, no one listens to you pray, no one will come to judge your sins and die for them and no one wants your SOUL.

I myself am skeptical in nature, aliens some call them, but more likely they are closely related then we might have been led to believe, why travel through space when you can travel through time, what would be the firs thing we do with time travel? Visit ourselves and pretend we are aliens.

This is where the past meets the future, to you they are demons, maybe cause they look different, maybe their big black eyes, but they are more interesting then you, I'll bet to wager. They could even be fictional, yeet you scream as though the world were to end. If they wanted us dead, we would be dead (remember that if you ever see a ship landing near you) if they wanted you(us) dead we would be.

Not every visitor is going to be hostile, but it would seem you would be hostile, simply because they are dfferent, George. You could be different pr far inferior to them, would they judge you and make you the enemy of their religion? No, they would have far better things to do.

Finally to ats, if these beings are real, and we are still alive, then we have a purpose, and no they are not evil, just not blinded by their emotions like their primitive ancestors.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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It is not a fail because the chance of life outside earth is very small due to compounding probabilities. Their are levels of enlightenment you haven't reached yet.

Levels of enlightenment
1 - Earth is only thing that supports life
2 - Universe is so big that there must be life
3 - Chance of right conditions and probabilities for life to arise are compounded so much so that the size of the universe is minuscule compared to the probability of life. Therefore earth is the only place.

When you get to my level of enlightenment call me. So you fail.

Oh come on. I'm a die hard Christian and even I don't believe that crap. You do know your argument above contradicts itself logically?

Science has proven that there are many Earth like planets with these exact same conditions for supporting Life.

Why do you think Life MUST ONLY be life we know as Humans? There is aspects of science we don't yet understand - in other places there could be life that evolved/created on may different types of planets than on Earth.

Why do you doubt that God could have created other beings on other worlds - perhaps not like us? "Other sheep I have that is not of this fold" Jesus said. What's to say he wasn't talking about other people on other planets?

I think some Christians want to believe it's always demons masking as aliens so the idea of an alien doesn't muck up their self centered world view. I do think that Both do exist and some demons do pose as aliens - but not all of the time. Sometimes, it's the real aliens we observe.

About faith...

Originally posted by The time lord
...you need to really want to know before you reach that level or have faith before things are revealed to you and that is the way it works...

I agree completely. It is a choice to have faith, like everything else. And you have to invest yourself like anything else you do.

Concerning the Professional's proposition in his OP, I also came to this conclusion, that Aliens were in fact Demons and/or Jinns. At the very least, the similarities between the Aliens reported attitudes and that of the Ancients concerning Demons are striking.

Take you pick; either Aliens are Demons, or what passes for Demons are in fact Aliens. Either way, it doesn't look good.

You 'lab tech's' have anyway of DISPROVING demon's, devil's? Science, ah yes proven to be ALL knowing. But is used and endorsed by mankind, who is faultless! Esp. with the degrees and PHd's.

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By ops logic, aliens are demons, thus to another species, we ourselves are demons.
You think because we are human, this doesn't make us alien? To each other of course not, to anything not from earth, they would have the right to call us demons, if that is how we think aliens as.

We are the demons, and more logically, wouldn't these "demons" be trying to help our species, by making us not destroy ourselves? You have no idea how common that is in the cosmos. Some species when they learn god is fake, see no point in living and self exterminate.

Their fragile minds couldn't comprehend a universe without their deity. Should the same be said for us? No because some people (like myself) embrace a godless universe, why should the universe work like OUR political system? Only nearly mentally retarded homo sapiens would consider that as fact.

Religion is a fingerprint, of our emotions and wants, associated with primitive greed, you can't put a human perpective on everything.

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I agree we could be demon-like to another specie, and I never said we were no Aliens ourselves...
I know it works both ways...

You should notice I was giving a human point of view of the OP statement, of course biased by whatever surrounds me, etc, not pretending to know what the Aliens point of view could be. It would be anthropomorphism. Maybe they are more religiously fanatic than the most fanatic human!

To me, both things called Aliens and Demons are related in some way.

AC Clark said that any evolved technology would look like magic... Even to modern humans it could look like magic. Even atheists, unless they do not even say "Impossible!"

But you know, I read once that our technology was demon given because it always involved destructive processes... As any idea, it is worth considering. Even if it needs translation from the demon idea to alien one.

And to pretend they are benevolent is as silly as saying they are malevolent. It roots in the same problem of anthropomorphism. But from observation and experience, we rarely see people who truly benefit from such contacts, be it with Aliens or Demons.

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You need to correct your thought processes and your statements. There is literally TONS of evidence for the existence of both greys and jinns....you choose to dismiss it for one reason or another, that doesn't preclude it's existence though...

Now, if you say, that there is little or no validated physical evidence supporting the existence of Jinns, Demons or Greys, then you'd be making a closer to correct statement. But considering that they are purported to be spiritual creatures, what physical evidence would you expect to find???

Jaden

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


It is highly likely people can predict the future because we have been here before and are very predictable. It is possible human life has started up and failed many times. The only thing that remains the same are those creatures who are less physical and more mental in form as they are more difficult to destroy. They may go back into the earth every couple of thousand years and wait for life like us to resume, populate and eventually wipe ourselves out all over again. History repeats itself and so there are stories of our future because it has happened many times before. Possibly.

I urge anyone interested in UFOs to read books and articles by John Keel and Jacques Vallee. They are available to read for free at “Scribd” online. The two I recommend are “Dimensions” by Vallee, and “The Cosmic Question: The Eighth Tower” by Keel. According to these authors' analyzes and perspectives, there's really nothing new concerning UFO/paranormal phenomenon (which may not be extraterrestrial) except the technological trappings and appearances which are periodically readjusted to the fit eras in which they manifest themselves. Both authors works are from a secular, objective viewpoint, with no religious biases and are well documented. I've been researching UFOs and flying saucers since I was a kid in the '50s and have found the above authors make the most sense with their mutual hypotheses. Call them what you like, Jinn; Fairies; elementals, etc. It appears that paranormal activity including ghosts; big-hairy bipeds, sea monsters and UFOs may all have a common source in these intelligent entities which have the ability to shape-shift.

Greatest hoax = religion.

Greatest ongoing lie = religion

Greatest progress stopper in humanity = religion.


If religion is against aliens, then one thing you can be certain of...aliens are peaceful. large evil entities fear things that will bring truth...and if religion fears aliens, then you know they gotta be alright.

Yes, let me adhere to what islam has to say about who can be trusted...tell ya what matey boy, have your radicals stop murdering innocents then telling us who the bad guys are...the demons are the religious fanatics, and this is all just smoke and mirrors.

would trust a alien gray over some religious fanatic (any religion) any day of the week.

Originally posted by NowanKenubi
Take you pick; either Aliens are Demons, or what passes for Demons are in fact Aliens. Either way, it doesn't look good.

I pick the bit where aliens are simply a different civilization that is more advanced than us in propulsion.

take your pick...black people are either demons, or demons are posing as black people...either way, lets enslave em and control em...

ya, doesn't sound as politically correct when you put real context on your words...lots of people are traditionally afraid (violently) of things new and different...

Seems some simply don't want to evolve their thinking to accept new experiences...you gave 2 options, both of them forcing one to conclude that anything outside the sphere of earth = demonic...I find such blanket statements to be a sign of a dangerous (demonic?) mindset...I say then that you are in fact either a demon posing as a poster, or a poster that is actually a demon...take your pick..either way, doesn't look good for you.

I think that Aliens are real, and the abductions that happened to people in Biblical times became the demonic beliefs that we still have today.The similarities between a posession or an attack and an abduction are unbelievably close. They are flesh and blood beings that exist. I do not believe in hellfire and demons anymore but it sure made me think I was under demonic attack for years when I did.

If religion is a hoax created to keep the masses under seige and unaware of how the universe really works, if we have aliens proclaiming themselves Gods, and creators then it stands to reason they will do whatever it takes to keep us fearful and dummied down.

Not all aliens are greys or reptilians. Some are lower energy life forms that can possess weaker spirited or those who want to be.There are those who claim the Elite are under this type of control. The Emerald tablets of Thoth tell a story about these beings who feed on our fear and negative energies.Very much the definition of a demon.

I am not really familiar with the Jinn but they are tricksters and wish granters so it stands to reason they have the ability to manipulate time. Sounds very much like the greys with their ability to suspend time and manipulate our reality and or the reptilians who can shapeshift.

Intelligent Beings obsessed with usurping the power of a true creator. Maybe they are mad at God, and this too explains the "fallen angels". They are going against our free will which to us feels evil but in another dimension the concept of good and evil may be primitive.

We concern ourselves so much with the perception of good and evil that God always equates good and Satan bad which is what is expected of a society that has been force fed these concepts since the cradle.

I fully believe they are just unscrupulous beings who have tampered with homo sapien on earth for thousands of years to take away God's natural evolution process and play Creator here on earth for their own gains which we have yet to see. I am convinced they are trying to create the next evolution as we speak. It is just being kept under cover unlike in the days of Noah who more than likely was a hybrid himself.

The possibility of life other than our own could be probable. The Universe is a really big place. To get some idea how big, lets start with what some mathematicians have come up with.
There are more stars in the Universe than grains of sand on the whole of earth. The math came down to 100 stars for every grain of sand on Earth. That is really staggering numbers. It is hard for the human mind to comprehend anything on a scale this vast.
We are a very young species. Modern humans appeared on the scene about 35 to 40 thousand years ago. That is not even a blink of the eye compared to the age of our Universe. over 14 billion years old. What is beyond the Universe? We don't know, except that our Universe is expanding out...into what?
Our Earth is a really beautiful oasis compared to the other planets in our solar system. Very Unique. And since the Universe is so vast as the numbers indicate above.
But 100 stars for every grain of sand on earth...that is a lot of possibilities. Even if there is one star out of those 100 per grain that has life, that still makes life very unique and vast distances apart.

Added to..Just my opinion. I don't think the Universe would be that favorable to life. Even our own planet has hostile conditions that can wipe us out.. and conditions outside earth too.

reply to post by autowrench


Yes the stories of Solomon are fascinating and worth reading up on their own merits.

I think we should have a healthy respect for the unknown/unseen until we either understand it or deny it. Take a look at this video, to put things into perspective...we are just a dot in a giant ocean.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
take your pick...black people are either demons, or demons are posing as black people...either way, lets enslave em and control em...

ya, doesn't sound as politically correct when you put real context on your words...lots of people are traditionally afraid (violently) of things new and different...

YOU said it. YOU put contexts on my words... In no way did I advocate violence against anyone...

Be adult enough to endorse what YOU want to say.