Freemasons - I have a few questions.

reply to post by jrstock


So what's your question?

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by jrstock
I have asked question's pertaining to the topic of thread.

And, as far as I have been able to tell, all have been answered. What more would you like to know?

The responses are reveling.

Originally posted by OnTheLevel213

Originally posted by jrstock
reply to post by KSigMason

 

A term used in the Southern state's.

Really? Well, getreadyalready and I are in Tallahassee and Jacksonville, JoshNorton's in Texas, network dude's in South Carolina, and Masonic Light is somewhere in the AASR SMJ. Fellas, I've never heard "porch-Mason" before. Let me know if you have.

edit on 1-4-2011 by OnTheLevel213 because: None of us have beer.

I'm in Texas, and associate with all affiliations, the only other time i've heard that term was online, by another non-mason. Now Porch Monkey is a different story..... I am in Texas

Originally posted by SirKnightE

Originally posted by OnTheLevel213

Originally posted by jrstock
reply to post by KSigMason

 

A term used in the Southern state's.

Really? Well, getreadyalready and I are in Tallahassee and Jacksonville, JoshNorton's in Texas, network dude's in South Carolina, and Masonic Light is somewhere in the AASR SMJ. Fellas, I've never heard "porch-Mason" before. Let me know if you have.

edit on 1-4-2011 by OnTheLevel213 because: None of us have beer.

I'm in Texas, and associate with all affiliations, the only other time i've heard that term was online, by another non-mason. Now Porch Monkey is a different story..... I am in Texas

Right, I know that term. I think that is why the other mason's thought it was a racial question.

reply to post by jrstock


Ok, getting more than one answer sounds reasonable. And asking questions is a good thing.

As far as the lofty representation of the Masons in this thread, I stand by the statement. Like I have said, I know Grand Masters, 32nd degree, 33rd degree, and guys with close to 70 years in Masonry. During my year as Worshipful Master, I handed out several 50 year pins.

I would put up the knowledge of Masonic Light, Josh, KS, Sky, and all the others against any of those guys, and I would say the collaberative effort of the Masons in this thread, combined with what I know of Masonry outside ATS, makes this thread the single most open and knowledgeable forum of Masonry I have ever seen! There is more knowledge here than any Lodge I have ever attended, or any forum I have ever read!

Since I haven't been everywhere, I can't say there isn't someplace like this in real life, but I can say that I have never seen more knowledge in one place before.

Another question if I may...
We've all heard the theory that the secret society "Illuminati" had infiltrated the Free-masonic order, which is why it is said that Freemasons are evil, at least those at the top of the ranks. I think many people believe the Illuminati are Masons, and visa versa. It would seem obvious that the Masons in this thread would disagree with that, and it seems they definitely would not tolerate such a thing. (For the record, I believe in individuals...just because the pope may be evil, doesn't mean that all Catholics are. If one, or some, Freemasons are evil, that doesn't mean all of them are. The president of the USA could be evil, but that doesn't mean all Americans are.)
I am curious what the present Masons believe in in regards to the Illuminati and the powers that be. Since you have joined a forum such as this, here at ATS, is it safe to assume you do believe in some conspiracy or another?
Thank you again;
Peace and One Love!

Originally posted by Scorpitarius
We've all heard the theory that the secret society "Illuminati" had infiltrated the Free-masonic order, which is why it is said that Freemasons are evil, at least those at the top of the ranks. I think many people believe the Illuminati are Masons, and visa versa. It would seem obvious that the Masons in this thread would disagree with that, and it seems they definitely would not tolerate such a thing.

It is true that some members of the Bavarian Illuminati of 1776 were also Freemasons. And, likewise, the Illuminati actively recruited members from lodges into their group.

A few points of note, though: 1. You're making the assumption that the Bavarian Illuminati of 1776 was "evil". They were enemies of the Catholic church, true. (Personally, I don't necessarily think that was a bad position to take at the time...) They were also somewhat anarchistic. They wanted a society where man lived under natural law, not under the regime of a king. Rebellious and controversial at the time; but pretty tame today.

2. The Bavarian Illuminati was disbanded in 1785, just 9 years after it started, and there's no evidence to suggest either it or its influences still exist today, more than 200 years later.

I am curious what the present Masons believe in in regards to the Illuminati and the powers that be. Since you have joined a forum such as this, here at ATS, is it safe to assume you do believe in some conspiracy or another?

Here's where we have contention. Conspiracy theorists throw around the word "illuminati" as a generic term, when it really shouldn't be used as such. Perhaps we don't have a good name for the concept you're trying to describe... the powers that be.

I would say most of the Masons on ATS do believe that there's something going on with the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the folks at the Bohemian Grove, or any number of other groups of people who are actually in power. But such groups have nothing to do with Freemasonry, and nothing to do with the original Bavarian Illuminati.

By re-reading these post's, it is much clearer now. I will go and search old thread's that have this subject. It should be enlightening.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I would say most of the Masons on ATS do believe that there's something going on with the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the folks at the Bohemian Grove

I dont. Those are just groups who get together and talk on an inter-national level rather than restricting talk to a national level. No big deal.

reply to post by Skyfloating
and see, I do think those groups have some conspiracy going on.

Just last night I was helping my brother write a blog on precious metals and the criminal investigations of jp morgan and goldman sachs came up.

Maybe the trilats or the bilderbergs think they are the good guys, and evil is a relative term, but I think it is pretty clear that some conspiracies are afoot with those groups.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I would say most of the Masons on ATS do believe that there's something going on with the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the folks at the Bohemian Grove

I dont. Those are just groups who get together and talk on an inter-national level rather than restricting talk to a national level. No big deal.

See, I just figure that there's a much higher percentage of members of THOSE GROUPS who are in "positions of power" than Freemasons in "positions of power". So if ANY group is leveraging their influence, it would more likely point to one or more of the ones I listed.

reply to post by JoshNorton


My apologies. I never meant to imply that I believe the Illuminati of 1776 was evil. In fact, I myself would have taken the same viewpoint of living under natural law (In fact, I do even today) and I am not in full agreeance with the Catholic church...nor any organized religion, for that matter. (Off topic, but I see each religion as containing some part of the ultimate truth, and each as having hidden lies which keep people from the absolute truth. People are too quick to believe an entire concept without questioning individual parts. They take the whole bible as true, for example, and will not accept that some of it may be lies while some remain true.)
I agree the term Illuminati is much too generic...I used it only for descriptive purposes. I actually try not to use the term Illuminati because to do so would be to say that those in control of the masses are Illuminated. I actually use the term "Cancer Consciousness". As in, the ultimate Loving consciousness is infected with a cancer consciousness...and all within are capable of loving, or being infected with the cancer consciousness; and so hating and fearing. (it's actually much deeper than that though. Sadly, if I use the term Cancer consciousness in my writings, I would have to explain the term each time, so the reader would know what the hell I'm talking about. So by default it becomes easier to use the term Illuminati.
There must be some Masons who do believe the Illuminati still exist today? If there were NO Masons who believed in the continued existence of Illuminati, would that mean that the topic of Illuminati is discussed in Masonic Lodge meetings?

...than Freemasons in "positions of power"

Does this imply you do believe some Masons are in position of power, or is this just for the sake of example?
Thank you again for your responses, this has probably been my favorite discussion to date, here on ATS. For what that means.
Peace and One Love!

Originally posted by Scorpitarius
There must be some Masons who do believe the Illuminati still exist today? If there were NO Masons who believed in the continued existance of Illuminati, would that mean that the topic of Illuminati is discussed in Masonic Lodge meetings?

It's not. Why would it be? The Masons existed before the Bavarian Illuminati, the Masons existed after the Bavarian Illuminati. The Illuminati is just a curious blip in history, but not something that would ever come up in the context of lodge.

Similarly, we wouldn't discuss "the powers that be" in lodge, because that's usually synonymous with "politics", one of the two forbidden topics. (You'd be hard pressed to find two more divisive topics of conversation than politics and religion, and since the lodge prides itself on peace and harmony in any well regulated institution, and teaches tolerance, neither topic is welcome for discussion during meetings.)

Originally posted by Scorpitarius

...than Freemasons in "positions of power"

Does this imply you do believe some Masons are in position of power, or is this just for the sake of example?
Thank you again for your responses, this has probably been my favorite discussion to date, here on ATS. For what that means.
Peace and One Love!

edit on 2-4-2011 by Scorpitarius because: to edit

Ah, you edited... I'll respond to the edit in this post separately from the previous...

First one would have to have a personal definition of a position of power. That could be a local judge or sheriff, a landlord, a business owner, or it could go all the way up to the state, national, or international level.

Are there a few members of the US congress who are Masons? I believe so, but I think the number is less than 5, and I'm not aware of any of them being prominent members of any committees or cabinets of importance.

Historically some big business owners have been Masons. Col. Sanders from Kentucky Fried Chicken; Dave Thomas who started Wendy's Hamburgers, etc. Are those positions of power by your definition? How about Steve Wozniak. He's a Mason, and still employed by Apple Computer, even though he doesn't do anything for them anymore.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by SecretSky
1. Why did you become a Freemason?

To make myself a better person, a better father & husband, a better friend.

2. Apart from doing good for the community, is there a specific goal of Freemasonry?

"To make good men better."

3. If Freemasonry reveals any good information to you, which you cannot share with non-masons, why can it not be revealed? If it is good information, surely it would benefit all.

No, there are no concepts or teachings taught in Masonry that cannot be revealed to others. Sometimes the exact wording we're told to keep secret, but the lessons themselves are the same as you'd find in most religions and many philosophies.

4. Isn't being (somewhat) secretive/holding back information a bit divisive towards the same communities you try to do good for?

Again, we don't hold back any information. So it's not divisive at all.

edit on 2011.3.30 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)

as I wouldn't be able to express answers as concise and to the point as this one, I'll keep from attempting.
a star for the effort!

What is the old saying about we attack those that are different?>Sota like the wolves who atatck the odd colored one?...It pretty much applies to all humans in all political systems too...drones and wards of the state will always try to discredit anyone who stands or looks outside the boundries set by their parent state,whatever that may be.The same with this thread and the one on Nibiru....but personal attacks only show who is truly running them...

Originally posted by jrstock
A term used in the Southern state's.

"Porch Mason" is not a term used in the southern states, or anywhere else for that matter, in Masonry.

It should also be pointed out that all Masons, regardless of any additional honors, are members of a Blue Lodge, and that's their primary allegiance.

reply to post by Masonic Light
Ive been in Mississippi for 56 years and I have NEVER heard the term "Porch-Mason"...but I have used Porch Monkey many times....

Originally posted by Homedawg
What is the old saying about we attack those that are different?>Sota like the wolves who atatck the odd colored one?...It pretty much applies to all humans in all political systems too...drones and wards of the state will always try to discredit anyone who stands or looks outside the boundries set by their parent state,whatever that may be.The same with this thread and the one on Nibiru....but personal attacks only show who is truly running them...

Where was an attack in this thread?

Originally posted by jrstock
Where was an attack in this thread?

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and the ones from Dr. Cosma that were deleted by mods. To name a few.