Freemasons - I have a few questions.

Thanks for the interesting posts and questions everyone.

I have some advice for people wishing to post questions on this thread.

If you would like to compose an argument, please check the reliability of your source. This is a fundamental part of critical-thinking, and without it - arguments can fall flat. Many many questions in this thread rely on sources which have already been debunked. Have you checked your sources reliability?

Also - I have a question to the people who believe Freemasons are lying, or not revealing all their secrets. If you do not believe their answers to the previous questions in this thread, what will make you believe their answers to your question?

It seems to me that some people will only accept "Yes....ok....we are actually the Illuminati" as the real answer.

All of that now said; please keep the questions and answers coming!

Originally posted by SecretSky
Thanks for the interesting posts and questions everyone.

I have some advice for people wishing to post questions on this thread.

If you would like to compose an argument, please check the reliability of your source. This is a fundamental part of critical-thinking, and without it - arguments can fall flat. Many many questions in this thread rely on sources which have already been debunked. Have you checked your sources reliability?

Also - I have a question to the people who believe Freemasons are lying, or not revealing all their secrets. If you do not believe their answers to the previous questions in this thread, what will make you believe their answers to your question?

It seems to me that some people will only accept "Yes....ok....we are actually the Illuminati" as the real answer.

All of that now said; please keep the questions and answers coming!

edit on 3-4-2011 by SecretSky because: (no reason given)

Great post SecretSky, and BTW for ANYONE who is looking for our "secrets" just look in a KJV,Tanakh, Koran,ect..... they are ALL RIGHT THERE! Hidden in plain sight! I normally let typhon harmlessly squirm with my left foot on his neck, but he just bit me.


Bro. M. A. J. - Ecclesiastes #120, F. & A. M.

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I apologize if I wasn't clear, yes the GL of Ohio is recognized as regular as is the GL of WV. What I was trying to highlight is that the GL of WV withdrew recognition of the GL of Ohio which DOES NOT make the GL less legitimate. Do you get my point?

PS have you traveled in WV recently?

Originally posted by maestromason

Originally posted by SecretSky
Thanks for the interesting posts and questions everyone.

I have some advice for people wishing to post questions on this thread.

If you would like to compose an argument, please check the reliability of your source. This is a fundamental part of critical-thinking, and without it - arguments can fall flat. Many many questions in this thread rely on sources which have already been debunked. Have you checked your sources reliability?

Also - I have a question to the people who believe Freemasons are lying, or not revealing all their secrets. If you do not believe their answers to the previous questions in this thread, what will make you believe their answers to your question?

It seems to me that some people will only accept "Yes....ok....we are actually the Illuminati" as the real answer.

All of that now said; please keep the questions and answers coming!

edit on 3-4-2011 by SecretSky because: (no reason given)

Great post SecretSky, and BTW for ANYONE who is looking for our "secrets" just look in a KJV,Tanakh, Koran,ect..... they are ALL RIGHT THERE! Hidden in plain sight! I normally let typhon harmlessly squirm with my left foot on his neck, but he just bit me.


Bro. M. A. J. - Ecclesiastes #120, F. & A. M.

Read your holy book and you will learn the secrets! There is no greater secret to Freemasonry and life than to read the holy book of your choice!

I guess I will leave this forum on this note. I do not believe in eMasonry/eMasons(nor shall I ever)...that being people who get online to discuss "light", for light is not to be discussed verbally(nor printed, cut, carved, painted, ect) but to be put to work, there is a reason for the LODGE and the BENEVOLENT works that we accomplish when we all meet on the square in THE LODGE.

THE LODGE is where I meet MY BRETHREN under the celestial heavens to walk as men amongst men on the pavement to perform great works. If you have not sat next to me in a LEGAL LODGE then YOU ARE NOT MY BROTHER! I need not repeat that, for any BROTHER of mine knows what that means!

Sincerely,

.:Bro. M. A. J. - Ecclesiastes #120, F. & A. M.
"A faithful friend is a strong defense, and he who hath found such a one hath found a treasure" - Eccl 6:14

Is there any (here responding) member's who are not from high background's? College, high finance, ect. Layman term Blue collar. Are the 'master' masons doctor, lawyer, banker ect? Does that have a bearing upon advancing?

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My lodge is almost entirely blue collar. We have many wealthy members, but they made their wealth the blue collar way. We have guy that runs a tile and flooring company, and struggles day by day, but we have another guy that started a heat and air business and now has over 100 trucks running, and he is a multi-millionair. We have two guys that are jewelers, but one of them got rich by investing and expanding a string of Beauty Supply stores. Now he is a millionaire. One of our most active members owns a transmission shop. He worked there for years, and then when the owner decided to retire, the guy took it over.

We do not have a single Doctor of Lawyer in my lodge to my knowledge.

i am troubled by something i have been reading thru this thread and came to a section where dr.cosma was edited for being off topic but from the quoted replies i see in other posts he wasnt actually off topic just giving his negative and silly opinion but these were removed. now idont agree with him and did find it somewhat annoying but it was on topic at least what was qouted in other posts. much as i dont like disruptiveness i do think that others opinions shouldnt be edited just because i dont like them. manners and decorum are another matter but being deleted for saying 'boring' is not a good sign. fremasonry is about tolerance and this site is about expressing opinions and delving into the unknown which requires tolerance.alot of posts i see on many of the topics here are people simply disagreeing. while this doesnt help the thread along much it is someones honest opinion. disagreeing should not be considered off topic, rude perhaps but not off topic.

Originally posted by maestromason
I guess I will leave this forum on this note. I do not believe in eMasonry/eMasons(nor shall I ever)...that being people who get online to discuss "light", for light is not to be discussed verbally(nor printed, cut, carved, painted, ect) but to be put to work, there is a reason for the LODGE and the BENEVOLENT works that we accomplish when we all meet on the square in THE LODGE.

THE LODGE is where I meet MY BRETHREN under the celestial heavens to walk as men amongst men on the pavement to perform great works. If you have not sat next to me in a LEGAL LODGE then YOU ARE NOT MY BROTHER! I need not repeat that, for any BROTHER of mine knows what that means!

Sincerely,

.:Bro. M. A. J. - Ecclesiastes #120, F. & A. M.
"A faithful friend is a strong defense, and he who hath found such a one hath found a treasure" - Eccl 6:14

What is this "work"? And again, why is it clouded in secrecy? Why is doing "work", whatever that may be, different from discussing it? You just turn a story in the bible into theater instead? It's still just a story. Stories are told and discussed. ?

Also, If you have a brother - you don't consider him a brother if he is not a freemason?

personally i think there is a big difference between historical freemasonry and masonry today. in the past one can clearly see that there were politics involved in freemasonry and amson were most definately involved in the workings of the world at the highest levels.
there have been many known instances of masons being involved in things that seem obviously opposed to what mason here are posting. here are two examples. the case of daniel morgan (i hope i the name was daniel i am pretty sure about the morgan). this was the event around the 1820's that led to the formation of the largest third party in american history 'the anti-masonic party'. this case involved said morgan breaking masonics oaths and telling secrets where upon members of his lodge (including the local law enforcement) kidnapped morgan and spirited him from the county in new york where he lived to the u.s. border (with help from other lodges along the way) and he was never heard from again!
the second the peculiar events surronding the P2 lodge in italy with its involvment in banking scandels, dirty politics, mobsters and possibly murder.
now much as modern masonry seems to have changed from its early powermongering ways the P2 case means maybe not.
i have at least one mason who was a very good person and seems just as posters here to be an ordinary person but i believe he joined originally because it was somewhat expected in his job (he worked at rockwell).
now i am not about to say that masons control the world but there do seem to be many in highly placed positions and there does seem to be at least some truth to the old boy network type of thing still happening.
the point of all this being that like others have said before me i do not believe that things are alike all the way up to whatever the top of freemasonry might be. i do believe that most of american masonry has been freed from things that might lurk above but i am pretty sure there are places (england and italy being two) where such a thing might not be said. anyway i would like to hear the freemasons hear comment on these if they would.

okay, since i was wrong, and i admit that i had no credible source for what i was saying, it was merely things i have heard from people, that i took as true cause the people seemed to be on their game bout this things. but anyways, tell me then, what happens when you tell non-masons, mason secrets. i read in a book about cults that it was punishable by death. i guess depending on how important the secret was. maybe they don't do that now-a-days but im pretty sure they used too.

The vast majority of Masons believe that they are simply part of a helpful fraternity of men who espouse a largely pluralistic theology at their core. Who the Masons truly are, however, can be found in their history and their texts. The higher degree Masons are Satanists who are hell bent on infiltrating and overtaking the Catholic Church in order to create a one world government.

This is why your local Masonic lodges have areas which are curiously absent of windows. If their secrets are nothing more than hand shakes and passwords why do they need this kind of secrecy? Many of their symbols, especially the pentagram, are direct references to Satan.

The people on this forum are largely wise enough to see the writing on the wall as far as other secret groups are concerned, but for some reason the Masons aren't questioned, even though they have a lodge in nearly every town in the western world. And yet, they cannot give you any solid reasons for their existence or their goals. How is a group which is supposedly just for male bonding and camaraderie the most prolific and powerful man-made institution in the world?

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
The vast majority of Masons believe that they are simply part of a helpful fraternity of men who espouse a largely pluralistic theology at their core. Who the Masons truly are, however, can be found in their history and their texts.

This is saying that a vast majority of masons, who make up what masonry is all about, are wrong and then outsiders and conspiracy-theorists know more about freemasons than masons themselves. So if the vast majority of masons are learning so much and becoming better people I guess that doesnt mean anything. All that means something are the bizarre theories created by outsiders, I guess.

The higher degree Masons are Satanists who are hell bent on infiltrating and overtaking the Catholic Church in order to create a one world government.

So its all a conspiracy against the Catholic Church?

Conspiracy-Theorists are afraid of being brainwashed but it is them that are the most easily brainwashed. All of these anti-masonic attacks are lifted from popular conspiracy-books and sites almost verbatim and repeated endlessly without ever being questioned or investigated. I think I could say anything bad about freemasonry and some of you would swallow it without question. This is why they should introduce critical thinking in schools.

This isn't about information being merely lifted from pop-history books in the bargain bin at Barnes and Noble.

Put it this way... One at least has to recognize that there is a contradiction between Masonry and more traditional forms of Christianity. Yes, the Masons have been trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church, and this has been outlined in many papal encyclicals, most of them coming after the French Revolution. See Clement XII’s In Eminenti, Pius IX’s Quanti Cura and Leo XIII’s Humanum Genus.

The constant talk and praise of the "light" is quite unusual. The Light Bearer?

Just saying...

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
One at least has to recognize that there is a contradiction between Masonry and more traditional forms of Christianity.

Did you know that at every Initiation the Bible has to be kissed twice? That we are taught to live our life according to that book? There is no contradiction to Christianity. Freemasonry is not a Religion and is not in Competition to Religion.

Yes, the Masons have been trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church, and this has been outlined in many papal encyclicals, most of them coming after the French Revolution. See Clement XII’s In Eminenti, Pius IX’s Quanti Cura and Leo XIII’s Humanum Genus.

When someone is both a Catholic and a Freemason this is just about as much of an infiltration as when someone is both Catholic and member of the Golf Club.

The constant talk and praise of the "light" is quite unusual. The Light Bearer?
Just saying...

Talk of "Light and Darkness" is not unusual...neither in Theology nor Philosophy nor Metaphysics nor Physics.

Every member of the Catholic Church is strictly forbidden to become a Mason, under the penalty of excommunication due to the nature of the society.

If you disagree with the Church then that is fine, but my point is that, for Catholics, it's not just another brotherly group one can join. It is fundamentally at odds with Christianity.

As Pius VIII stated, "Lying is their rule, Satan is their God, and shameful deeds their sacrifice."

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
Every member of the Catholic Church is strictly forbidden to become a Mason, under the penalty of excommunication due to the nature of the society.

This is no longer true.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
Every member of the Catholic Church is strictly forbidden to become a Mason, under the penalty of excommunication due to the nature of the society.

This is no longer true.

Yes, in fact, it is.

The current Code of Canon Law (1983) states that: "Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict."

The previous Code mentioned Freemasonry directly and thus, some confusion about the new law arose, but this was cleared up with an official declaration in Nov. 1983 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (whose head was then Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict) which was approved by then Pope John Paul II and stated:
"..the Church'’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church, and therefore membership with them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not
receive Holy Communion."
Emphasis my own.

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Masons will not receive Holy Communion, but they are not excommunicated. Your original statement was that they are excommunicated.