Freemasons - I have a few questions.

I browse ATS all the time, and read these “Freemasons are this and that…” posts every other time that I am on here. The thing is they always link sites which have horribly misleading information on it as far as I have seen, from these posts. There is no “controlling the universe/world/etc” within any of the branches of Freemasonry that I have observed directly or indirectly. Now, the traditions throughout all the degrees, are highly symbolic, and if taken at face value might seem odd to those who do not participate in them, and/or never are explained the meanings.

Every time I hear… and or read about Masons are this or they are that… I laugh, some of you are so far from the truth, and seem to have been reading works that are factually incorrect. The best one I heard, was during a business meeting, one of the people said… “all cops are freemasons, and if you do this or that, they will let you go…” lol it is great.

If you are really interested what they are doing, Inquire! Go to google, find a lodge around you, go to the monthly dinner, talk to a mason, and inquire. Join if your interested get your degrees, find out about the blue lodge, and the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, the York, and the Scottish sects of freemasons. And sorry ladies since the masons are a “guys only” type of a social structure, there is always the Order of the Eastern Star that you can do your research on this…

Gain knowledge and lets stop the spreading of .. “I think they do this.. I think they do that.” 

reply to post by no1smootha


impressive!

indeed I was a member of a continental lodge (French to be precise) and it is true atheists and (some) women are allowed and this schism with the anglo-saxons is quite important, moreover I am mostly interested in a specific and most secretive germanic branch if you know what I'm talking about.

and don't you think sexism is so last century?

higher level freemasons: rockefeller, madonna, rihanna, clark gable, christina aguilera, britney spears for some time, john lennon, walt disney. they never do good deeds. their aim is to create a world with themselves only. others will be killed by injected viruses, planned wars (esp march 20- may 1 for their ritual purpose and make sure ppl die on that period), weather controlled disasters, produce fast food which spoil human health in long term, finally conquer the earth and divide the earth among themselves. there are so many books published on this topic. ppl, plz read them and realize that next year belongs to them and they will rule the world under new order. save yrselves from the devils. if anybody defending them, carry on just go and die.

Originally posted by Anttyk47
Hitler started with labeling the jews with the star on their right arms.
The Op is finding the masons on this site.

Hmmm

Haha. Well - you've found me out. I'll have to abandon my grand schemes for world domination now.

Seriously though - I've found all the Freemasons here very dignified and humble. This thread has actually made me a lot more positive and interested in the Freemasons and I've actually added a few Freemasons on this thread to my friends list
Nice try though - your original thinking is a positive asset to you!

Originally posted by TheOracle
OP most are right in their answers but for one question

3. If Freemasonry reveals any good information to you, which you cannot share with non-masons, why can it not be revealed? If it is good information, surely it would benefit all.

Highest ranked FM have important secrets and knowledge they don't even share with low or mid level Masons. In fact, not every Lodge have this knowledge. I can only say that is somewhat close to metaphysics, spirituality or 'unearthly means' as I like to describe it.

Many Lodges are just mind control experiment and manipulative schemes to milk most of their membership for their treasury, but there are some great Lodges with people willing to share those secrets to those with real motivation and potential because it is so sensitive, most can't handle it.

Finding the right, honest Lodge to join and be accepted is the real challenge.

I could go on and on but f you need more information contact me directly, I can help pointing you in the right direction.

edit on 31-3-2011 by TheOracle because: (no reason given)

Hmmm - I am interested in what you have to say, and I'm sure that this will be of interest to other Freemasons - please post it here in this thread if you can TheOracle?
Thanks for the reply!

reply to post by OverMan

Freemasonry is no secret society but rather a private organization.

I do like how you are taking one small line of a much larger speech to defame us. The true intent of his speech was to discuss the balance between a politicians private life and freedom of the press, national security versus freedom of the press. Josh actually did a thread on this in which he shows that JFK even met with them once.

The lies put out by Leo Taxil are known to be hoax, sadly still used by anti-Masons. You can read all about it here: www.freemasonry.bcy.ca...

There is also a thread about the fraudulent Protocols.

The Constitution only hinders the government not the people. I am opposes to national banks.

I'm no member of the Bohemian Grove or Bilderberger, nor have any interest to do so.

For a decentralized and confederate a system that Freemasonry with it's several branches sprouting, but reliant upon the Blue Lodge, it seems impossible for manipulation by "higher ups". Even more with our Democratic processes of election and legislation.

1. I disagree with the websites use of God as it should read supreme being or force. I'll talk to the site admin. I am a Christian and have taken courses on comparative religion.

2. Believing in religious freedom I am also tolerant others beliefs. However the discussion religion is forbidden in the Lodge.

3. We are all stewards of this planet and it is a natural duty to keep it. Freemasonry doesn't perpetuate a class system or slavery.

Symbols have no fixed interpretation and this can be seen how different cultures, religions, and organizations have used symbols throughout history. Since symbols have no fixed definition they rely on the knowledge and interpretation of the viewer.

There are more than followers of Abrahamic faiths in Freemasonry. I know a few Gnostics. 

If you've ever studied military tactic then you'd understand the layout of DC. I can draw several designs in the streets, but you cannot actually draw a star as not all the streets connect. Freemasonry Watch is ran by religious nutjob.

Ones duty to God, country, family, and friends should always take priority over the Craft. Being a British colony of course most Colonial officers were at one time Red Coats that is only logical.

I suggest you back to history and government class as your knowledge seems to be lacking as much as it does in regards to Freemasonry.

I didn't realize we Masons were supposed to stop the creation of the Federal Reserve. Do we all have "S" on our chest?

Our charities are honest and good. Only a paranoid mental case or a list could say otherwise.

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by SecretSky

 

1. When I was Master, one of the oldest members, and a Past Grand Master, acted as my Chaplain. When he knelt down to pray he let out the loudest fart ever. It took so much to not laugh but when he stood back up he let another one go. I lost it. He goes, "Lord those bull frogs are loud tonight." Athough my entire year as Master was memorable.
2. I have yet to experience it, or at least that I know of. I have one in my platoon who is anti-Mason but he is subordinate to me and works in a different shift.
3. I have several officers and senior enlisted in my Brigade, but I have never received nor given preferential treatment.
4. Never.

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Freemasonry is not a religion nor should a Mason substitute Freemasonry for religion.

hahaha. That #1 is amazing. ....The human element of the organization is really appealing. I encourage all Freemasons to contribute their personal memories to this thead - it's really doing good for everyone here. I feel that this openness has already changed a few peoples opinions in this thread.

Originally posted by sagigirl
higher level freemasons: rockefeller, madonna, rihanna, clark gable, christina aguilera, britney spears for some time, john lennon, walt disney. they never do good deeds. their aim is to create a world with themselves only. others will be killed by injected viruses, planned wars (esp march 20- may 1 for their ritual purpose and make sure ppl die on that period), weather controlled disasters, produce fast food which spoil human health in long term, finally conquer the earth and divide the earth among themselves. there are so many books published on this topic. ppl, plz read them and realize that next year belongs to them and they will rule the world under new order. save yrselves from the devils. if anybody defending them, carry on just go and die.

Hmmm - could you provide the source for this information? Where did you get this list of people from? Could any Freemasons comment on these people?

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Well I prefer to keep this in private, there are too many different lodges and different freemasons that entering a debate is pointless. But for those interested in knowing the ins and outs of european freemasonry, I am open to discuss it in PM.

Originally posted by SecretSky
1. What is your favourite memory of time spent at your lodge?

There isn't one particular memory for me. All the evenings are great fun, and we always enjoy ourselves!

2. Have you ever experienced alienation (in real life - not online) because of Freemasonry?

I personally prefer not to tell people that I am a Mason in real life. In South Africa, the anti-mason sentiment is very strong. Thus, I haven't really experienced alienation from anti-masons, but I am certain that I would should I make my affiliation known.

3. Is it true that Freemasons tend to help promote each other if working in the same company?

This is a trick question.I don't think it's much different from two good friends working for the same company. Obviously, one would want to promote their friend, but would not do so if it was not in the best interest of the company.

4. Have you ever been nervous, embarrassed or scared about anything you had to do during a ceremony?

No.

There is nothing that I have ever done during a ceremony that I would be ashamed to tell my wife or child about. There is absolutely no reason to be nervous, scared or embarrassed.

reply to post by jrstock

No it wasn't and no he is not. How can you make such a claim as you are no expert yourself?

reply to post by sagigirl

News flash the regular bodies of Fremasonry do not accept women into the organization.

reply to post by SecretSky

Another memory is the tradition of several of us going to a quiet bar after Lodge and knocking back a few.

Some of my fondest memories within the Lodge involved the same man from #1.

Originally posted by Scorpitarius
I have a question, if it's permitted...
What if one, through understanding Masonic principles or teachings, coupled with other understandings and teachings, and further coupled with life experience, came to an understanding which led to enlightenment?.. However, what if said individual did not believe in being part of ANY organization, be it religious, political, you name it.

What are the opinions from Individual Masons regarding such an individual?
Is it somewhat assumed within the masonic culture that one who is not a Mason cannot achieve enlightenment? Or is it more-so that the organization is there to assist enlightenment, but is not considered the only path? Or is this even a topic for discussion?

As mentioned above by the OP, I too mean no disrespect, but ask as a matter of curiosity. I hold no prejudice towards an individual regardless of their affiliations. (And this does not go to say I agree or disagree with Masonic lodges.)

Because Freemasonry is not a Religion, much less an "only path" to anything, it does not have a doctrine. Instead it provides a gathering place for men of many doctrines, all of which probably have the desire for intellectual enlightenment (and some even for mystical enlightenment, which seems to be what you are referring to).

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by SecretSky
1. Why did you become a Freemason?

To make myself a better person, a better father & husband, a better friend.

2. Apart from doing good for the community, is there a specific goal of Freemasonry?

"To make good men better."

3. If Freemasonry reveals any good information to you, which you cannot share with non-masons, why can it not be revealed? If it is good information, surely it would benefit all.

No, there are no concepts or teachings taught in Masonry that cannot be revealed to others. Sometimes the exact wording we're told to keep secret, but the lessons themselves are the same as you'd find in most religions and many philosophies.

4. Isn't being (somewhat) secretive/holding back information a bit divisive towards the same communities you try to do good for?

Again, we don't hold back any information. So it's not divisive at all.

edit on 2011.3.30 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)

Are you kidding me?

With all the ex masons who quit over luciferianism I'd have to say you are just too low on the totem to be "in" on the secrets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are no 33rd Degree Freemason? Surely there is something special about that rank, other than just time in the masons.....

Originally posted by SecretSky
Wow - yeah, that's pretty sexist.
Can any other Freemasons attest to this? Have your girlfriends/wives ever had bad experiences regarding Freemasons?

No. Most women enjoy going to open door events where they are welcomed with open arms and treated just like any other human is treated. The woman in question seems to be a pretty judgmental person if she makes conclusions about Freemasonry because of the behavior of one person.

Originally posted by AwareOfSurroundings
Let me ask you guys this. Have you ever looked at the back of a dollar? The eye on the top of the pyramid, the Eagle. The dome of a The White House, The Washington Monument are all signs of FreeMasonry. To my knowledge they are bad,

You`ll have to explain to me why the dome of a building or a monument in Washington are bad. How can a piece of rock be bad? You might answer: "The piece of rock isnt bad, what it represents is bad!". But what it represents is a matter of interpretation. To me it represents something that looks good and provides protection to the people sitting inside. The dome-shape also kind of reminds me of the "canopy of heaven". The pyramid shape reminds me of the dual nature of the world. Just like I am making up these interpretations off the top of my head, so are you.

Some of the people in the society might not be bad, but the program itself is in bad intentions.

You are just making this up, probably based on what you read somewhere. Can you point to a masonic text that shows evil intentions?

If I say "This and that organization is bad. Their symbols are bad" do you just accept what I say as truth or do you try to go check whether its true?

Anyone can easily say something is "bad". I can point to the Yankees Stadium and say "Thats bad. Those are evil people. The Yankees symbol is evil. Their goal is League Domination".

And then I can go make up "sources" and supposed "facts" such as: "The Founder of the Yankees was convicted of murder. That is a fact. Therefore all Yankees are evil". I could fake articles making it look as if he really was a murderer.

And why would I do this? Id do this if I hate the Yankees.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by pslind69

 

I think "very" anything is dangerous. Moderation is the key. If someone was "very" Masonic, then it would probably mean they were letting other things in their life slip by.

All in all, a good person is a good person, it doesn't matter which path you choose to be a good person, so long as you reach the goal!

Thanks for your answers in this thread everyone.

Well, I guess if one feels that joining Freemasonry will make them a better person, then I don't see anything wrong with that. But I guess I'll never see the need for some of the more bizarre rituals involving guns, coffins etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what I have learned from documentaries etc.) and the whole rebirth thing. To me - one's real life starts the day one is born - not at some point where you are initiated into an order. Again correct me if I'm making wrong assumptions.

I guess it's hard for anyone outside - to really know what Freemasonry is about at its core. I think that's what makes us question it all the time.

Originally posted by pslind69

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by pslind69

 

I think "very" anything is dangerous. Moderation is the key. If someone was "very" Masonic, then it would probably mean they were letting other things in their life slip by.

All in all, a good person is a good person, it doesn't matter which path you choose to be a good person, so long as you reach the goal!

Thanks for your answers in this thread everyone.

Well, I guess if one feels that joining Freemasonry will make them a better person, then I don't see anything wrong with that. But I guess I'll never see the need for some of the more bizarre rituals involving guns, coffins etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what I have learned from documentaries etc.) and the whole rebirth thing. To me - one's real life starts the day one is born - not at some point where you are initiated into an order. Again correct me if I'm making wrong assumptions.

I guess it's hard for anyone outside - to really know what Freemasonry is about at its core. I think that's what makes us question it all the time.

I'm not a Freemason, so please Freemasons correct me if I'm wrong. What I have learned on this thread is that the core of Freemasonry is 'to make a good man better'. Be it yourself or others.
I think the ceremonies are not the core, just ways of illustrating a point. I'm not sure how bizarre they might be - as this information is best not told to non-Freemasons. It would spoil the purpose of the ceremony for people wanting to be Freemasons.

reply to post by SecretSky


Rituals are part of a process of endoctrination,at almost hypnotic levels, to make masons fully obedients to the cause. Is it a bad thing? Yes and no, it can certainly lead to some form of fanaticism.
When you commit to Freemasonry, it becomes more than a 'hobby', it becomes part of your life. Like a good christian going to Sunday prayer for the rest of his life you are expected to commit your time AND money (a lot of it) to the cause. It is in short a huge pyramid scheme, with many just happy to join an exclusive brotherhood and others aiming to reach power and enlightenment.

Also the further you go, the harder it is to get out and they will be pretty clear of the dangers for speaking out against Freemasonry or divulging its secrets.
That's why most Masons (well those in the know) will protect their lodges by any means out of fear, ignorance, idolatry or simply because they believe in it.

Does it make a good person better? No I am afraid, I prefer to do my best to help anyone, brother or not. In the end, secret societies may be interesting and exciting experiences, but it is highly discriminatory and counterproductive for peace in general (helping a few while the others suffer).

I want to thank all that for answering my question about afterlife It was interesting reading your individual answers, wich represent that there is no dogma or religion behind masonery, but many people with good intentions

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it's in a book named Dajjal 2012 written by Antok priyor (2002)