Freemasons - I have a few questions.

Let me ask you guys this. Have you ever looked at the back of a dollar? The eye on the top of the pyramid, the Eagle. The dome of a The White House, The Washington Monument are all signs of FreeMasonry. To my knowledge they are bad, and being about World Domination. How can there be good and bad Free Masonry. That would be like good and bad terrorist. I just don't see why someone would become a FreeMasonry if they don't all believe in the same thing. Some of the people in the society might not be bad, but the program itself is in bad intentions. How can you serve two masters. That is what it is to my knowledge, I've seen that people are still having a debate about it. But the start of it was kind of like a cult.

Originally posted by jrstock
Why is C.A. Pike honored with a statue at the National Masonic Temple in D.C.?
And also the art work inside depicting long serpent's on the wall's? Pike was a Confederate General. And was key to the birth of the KKK.

There is no "National Masonic Temple", nor is there a "C.A. Pike". It sounds as if you are speaking of the Scottish Rite Supreme Council building, and Brother Albert Pike.

Pike's statue is at the Department of Labor (not a Masonic building). He was indeed a Confederate General, but was never associated with the Ku Klux Klan (although this is a popular anti-Masonic hoax).

Originally posted by AwareOfSurroundings
. That is what it is to my knowledge, I've seen that people are still having a debate about it. But the start of it was kind of like a cult.

The start of it was as a stonemasons guild in the middle ages. Over the years, it evolved into a gentleman's philosophical and mystical fraternal society.

Freemasonry has nothing to do with "world domination", and such things. Masonic symbols are found a lot in American culture because many of our forefathers were Masons, and were therefore inspired by Masonic symbolism. That's a good thing, not a bad one.

Hitler started with labeling the jews with the star on their right arms.
The Op is finding the masons on this site.

Hmmm

reply to post by AwareOfSurroundings




The symbols on the dollar / currency are not masonic.

However, one can say they are inspired from freemasonry. I personally believe that freemasonry heavily inspired the symbols, but again, the symbols are NOT masonic. The only symbol that may be remotely masonic is the eye. But , as you may know, the eye is a symbol not exclusive to freemasonry. You will find the eye symbol in all cultures.

So...

What are the procedures should you wish to become a Mason?

Sounds like a knowledge club

I have to applaud my brethren for the beautiful and knowledgeable answers provided in this thread.. I was going to reply as well but what I would have said has been said many many times already so I'll digress.. Again beautiful topic and answers.

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


Find a lodge and express your interest.. Or if you know a Mason express that interest to him.. I will say this though, if you have several Lodges in your area try getting to know Brothers from each, I've found that each Lodge has it's own personality. The teachings are all the same though.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by AwareOfSurroundings
. That is what it is to my knowledge, I've seen that people are still having a debate about it. But the start of it was kind of like a cult.

The start of it was as a stonemasons guild in the middle ages. Over the years, it evolved into a gentleman's philosophical and mystical fraternal society. This description, is vague. What IS the goal? The true nature of this club? You pay dues, hence is is not free. And the majority of brothers are not working with stones, brick's ect.

Freemasonry has nothing to do with "world domination", and such things. Masonic symbols are found a lot in American culture because many of our forefathers were Masons, and were therefore inspired by Masonic symbolism. That's a good thing, not a bad one.

The Freemasons supposedly originated from the free thinking people who lived hundreds of years ago at a time when the church was demonizing free thought. It was a way of expressing their opinions without the fear of persecution.

Today's society may be different but I have not seen any evidence of malice from the Freemasons yet.

OP most are right in their answers but for one question

3. If Freemasonry reveals any good information to you, which you cannot share with non-masons, why can it not be revealed? If it is good information, surely it would benefit all.

Highest ranked FM have important secrets and knowledge they don't even share with low or mid level Masons. In fact, not every Lodge have this knowledge. I can only say that is somewhat close to metaphysics, spirituality or 'unearthly means' as I like to describe it.

Many Lodges are just mind control experiment and manipulative schemes to milk most of their membership for their treasury, but there are some great Lodges with people willing to share those secrets to those with real motivation and potential because it is so sensitive, most can't handle it.

Finding the right, honest Lodge to join and be accepted is the real challenge.

I could go on and on but f you need more information contact me directly, I can help pointing you in the right direction.

Originally posted by TheOracle

Highest ranked FM have important secrets and knowledge they don't even share with low or mid level Masons. In fact, not every Lodge have this knowledge. I can only say that is somewhat close to metaphysics, spirituality or 'unearthly means' as I like to describe it.

Actually, this is not the case at all. In the ceremony of the 28th degree, for example, it is expressly stated that Freemasonry possesses no occult knowledge that is not available to the world at large. What Masonry does do, however, is provide a medium for people of like mind to congregate, share ideas, and celebrate the mysteries.

Finding the right, honest Lodge to join and be accepted is the real challenge.

Not at all. Lodges are in amity with each other. This means that members from one Lodge frequent visit others. In cities with many Lodges, it is quite common therefore to see the same people at pretty much any lodge you go to. Furthermore, most Grand Lodges have the rule that one must apply tp the lodge closest to his place of residence.

reply to post by Masonic Light

I will stand by my claims for what I know comes from experience and from a person close to me, chairman of his lodge.

And one doesn't join a the 'closest Lodge' as you point out. There are different kind of FM and different kind of Lodges, at least in Europe. They of course communicate but at high level, there is a whole lot of secrecy between them.

Are you a US FM?

To all Masons and secret societies.

JFK said "secret societies are repugnant to a free and open society".and I cannot agree more.

Repugnant: adjective
1. distasteful, objectionable, or offensive: a repugnant smell.
2. making opposition; averse.
3. opposed or contrary, as in nature or character.

the same could be said for secret deals made with the Italian Mafia to secure the votes of the Teamsters yet we are not debating the legitimacy of JFK at this time.

You preempted the Taxil Hoax and when one reads the wiki entry (No, I do not rely on wiki for my information yet i do use everything at my disposal to prove a point) we can clearly see that it was written in the vein of a supposed "Authority".

en.wikipedia.org...

It is a simple tactic, a diversion, much like the concept of ANTI SEMITISM and how it is used by Zionists to label anyone who approaches the Chosen Race concept who of course after much research seem to be nothing more then european imposters.

All this seems very similar to the Maurice Jolly affair and how that supposedly lead to the creation of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

I tried once upon a time to show the Protocols as the "NWO PLAYBOOK" regardless of the truth as to who wrote it or why yet few of the supposed Open Minds on that particular forum could think outside of your Box.

Some "Authority" declared it a Hoax and that was that....... or was it?

Shifting gears...

On the SQUARE? in a society (as far as america is concerned) that has been enslaved since nearly its inception via the CONstitution, the early central banks.....a layer added in 1871, subverted, perverted, another layer of slavery added on in 1917 and then again in 1933...

If your brotherhood has any power whatsoever beyond simply being another "order of the wild buffalo"..... allowing all this to happen while you sit in silence yet gain wealth, position and place.... if this is the Virtue of which you speak then I am proud that I seem to possess None of it!

You wish us to believe that men of power meeting secretly could NEVER result in anything negative yet I assure you Sirs that it is with secrecy and silence that all manner of autrocities have been perpetuated upon the masses by men and the occassional woman who do not work for the collective interests of society.

A few quick and easy examples might be the Bilderberg Club or the Bohemian Club.

3rd gear!!!!!

Now, it is pretty easy for me, maybe not you but for me, to see that any of these Organizations can/could be subverted/perverted from their origin purpose and also that only the few need be aware of the truth behind the agenda.

The truth is probably the easiest to summize. Those who were in the trades wanted a union of sorts and they wanted job security and they wanted preferencial treatment (benefits) along with a monopoloy on the profit being made from the building of Egypts or Europes or ALL empires within their scope.
Thats Occams Razor when used properly.

What is freemasonry now, besides how it could be manipulated by TPTB? It could be said that it is a social club for men and just like prominent people who go to church together, they do business together, give each other preferential treatment in many ways and otherwise create a somewhat invisible Class system.

Many masons wives are members of other associated fraternities that interact.

4th gear!!!!!

www.masonicinfo.com...

1o you believe in God?

GOD implies the JUDEO CHRISTIAN religion yet I doubt that many of you even understand this distinction or why someone who has studied religion comparatively would take offence..

2. Are you willing to allow others the same right to their own beliefs that you insist on yourself?

Hell no! Have you ever read the Torah? The old testament?
If their belief entails killing me or mine, enslaving others (the goyim), raping me and mine all under the supposed authority of your same G-O-D then absolutely not!

3. Do you believe that you have a responsibility to leave the world a better place than you found it?

Of course yet I also know that I cannot do so by laying in secret, building up mansions and Castles for Kings and their Aristocrats, perpetuating Classism and Slavery wether overtly or covertly and otherwise DIVIDING not UNITING mankind.
You have not only allowed these divisions to be perpetuated you have created them yourselves and if your goal was the maintain the STATUS QUO then I would suggest that you have done a WONDERFUL JOB and also that you have done EVERYTHING but make this world a better place now or after you are gone.

OVERDRIVE....

I have studied religions, spirituality and the belief systems of pretty much all one could manage to read on the subject and I believe with this "eye" one can interpret the masonic symbolism more correctly.

If we take ancient assyrian, sumerian, akkadian, and babylonian beliefs into consideration then the Gods that masonic orders worship are the Material Dieties that were believed to actually exist in "matter/mater/maya" such as the Anunnaki, Elohim, Nephalim et al.

These are the "Creators" as in they were probably the aliens who meddled with our evolution, enslaved us and have had us enslaved since our creation.

The same who did not wish for us to "think as they do" or "be as they are" such as the story of the Garden of Eden.

The diety mentioned and revered by many less materialistic belief systems such as the Gnostic diety which is the Unknowable cause of everything and all, the NO-THING as it is everything and no-thing at once, is a grand concept of divinity unlike the masonic Torah/Bible orientated version of a God who makes mistakes and then punishes mankind for them.

Theirs is a Phallic Man God incarnate. They are chauvinists wether they understand it or not. Even when they include the female aspect it is usually subordinate to the Ultimate Supreme Male concept of diety.

The masonic symbology and use of all religious symbols could simply be their way of letting the world know that they know the truth and the truth is that all modern religions were cobbled together for usually political purposes from the religions and belief systems of the past.

Yet, one versed in satanism, luciferianism, the occult and the like will take note to their distinctive washington DC layout and insist that something occult is afoot and I would be the last person to try to convince them otherwise.

If you have never seen the OCCULT MASONIC LAYOUT of this nations capitol then I suggest a quick review.
Sources matter little when all we are after is DATA. Consider all sources please and thus I will feel no need to validate the links below:

kenraggio.com...

dcsymbols.com...

freemasonrywatch.org...

and hundreds more, heck just goto google maps and try to connect the dots yourselves as we humans are uncanny in our abilty to do so.

Lastly, attempting to wrap this up.... the first president was a mason, some say a mason first and a president second and if this were true then there was a hidden order to things from the start. He was also a RedCoat or "lobsterback" at one time.
Against the wishes of the Majority they declared their independence.
Against the wishes of the Majority and even one of the most influential founders, Thomas Jefferson, they plotted to trap the states via the constitution. Yes that document, the "holy of the holies".....
Only by way of the the Bill of Rights did we manage to escape with any semblence of freedom and even that can quickly be dispelled like so many illusions via Legalese....


Where were the Masons if not instrumental in this modern slavery?
Where were the Masons when the Federal Reserve system was shackled upon us?
Where were the Masons when this, our Republic was murdered?

I can tell you where they were, Hiding in silence if not complicit in these crimes!

I have known a few masons. I wondered how those who I knew for sure were suckasses with average IQ at best were "chosen" by the order. I worked with one in North carolina and he was the biggest woman chaser that I believe I have ever had the displeasure to meet yet please do not tell his wife!

If properly motivated some of us can prove how the seemingly most "benign" of charities is nothing more then a plot to sterlize the third world yet few would be able to tell on their own. So, please do not get me wrong here when I say that the Masonic order is pretty easy to question and/or analyze.

All in all I am not positive but merely believe that what I have written to be closer to the truth then the lies spewed by Brothers and CT's alike. One thing I believe with certainty is that they are not BENIGN nor BENEVOLENT.

Good night and Good luck thinking critically!

I have a question, if it's permitted...
What if one, through understanding Masonic principles or teachings, coupled with other understandings and teachings, and further coupled with life experience, came to an understanding which led to enlightenment?.. However, what if said individual did not believe in being part of ANY organization, be it religious, political, you name it.
What are the opinions from Individual Masons regarding such an individual?
Is it somewhat assumed within the masonic culture that one who is not a Mason cannot achieve enlightenment? Or is it more-so that the organization is there to assist enlightenment, but is not considered the only path? Or is this even a topic for discussion?
As mentioned above by the OP, I too mean no disrespect, but ask as a matter of curiosity. I hold no prejudice towards an individual regardless of their affiliations. (And this does not go to say I agree or disagree with Masonic lodges.)
Peace and One Love

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are two branches of Freemasonry. Irregular Freemasonry which is controlled by the Scottish Rite through the Grand Lodge of Ekklesia based in Vatican City (the shady one) and Regular Freemasonry (the the normal one).

reply to post by Scorpitarius


You don't need to be a FM to reach enlightement.
One facet of the FM is a 'collective enlightement' but at the price of many years of practice and dedication
It is more efficient in the way it is studied and utilized to a great extent. They have and seek answers to many
occult (hidden) matters.

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Bless you for this stellar report on the topic at hand. You are WELL versed in the history of this group.

reply to post by SecretSky

1. When I was Master, one of the oldest members, and a Past Grand Master, acted as my Chaplain. When he knelt down to pray he let out the loudest fart ever. It took so much to not laugh but when he stood back up he let another one go. I lost it. He goes, "Lord those bull frogs are loud tonight." Athough my entire year as Master was memorable.
2. I have yet to experience it, or at least that I know of. I have one in my platoon who is anti-Mason but he is subordinate to me and works in a different shift.
3. I have several officers and senior enlisted in my Brigade, but I have never received nor given preferential treatment.
4. Never.

reply to post by pslind69

Freemasonry is not a religion nor should a Mason substitute Freemasonry for religion.

I believe these posts are related so I will attempt to clarify the issue.

Originally posted by finalword
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are two branches of Freemasonry. Irregular Freemasonry which is controlled by the Scottish Rite through the Grand Lodge of Ekklesia based in Vatican City (the shady one) and Regular Freemasonry (the the normal one).

You are misunderstanding regularity, which is a concept of recognition between Grand Lodges that first arose as a result of a rivalry between the Antients (AF&AM) and the Moderns (F&AM). They didn't recognize each other as Freemasons until the matter was resolved when a compromise was reached and the Act of Union united the two Grand Lodges of Freemasons to form the United Grand Lodge of England in 1813.

However, in the late nineteenth century the Grand Orient of France decided to remove references to the Grand Architect of the Universe from their Constitution in effect allowing the admission of atheists into the Fraternity. This decision caused a schism between the Grand Orient of France and the United Grand Lodge of England. Freemasonry is now divided in two branches, Continental style Freemasonry and Anglo Freemasonry and they are not in mutual regular amity, since most English style lodges consider Continental style lodges to be irregular.

Originally posted by TheOracle
I will stand by my claims for what I know comes from experience and from a person close to me, chairman of his lodge.

And one doesn't join a the 'closest Lodge' as you point out. There are different kind of FM and different kind of Lodges, at least in Europe. They of course communicate but at high level, there is a whole lot of secrecy between them.

Are you a US FM?

I am an American Freemason E,P and R in a regular Lodge but I dimited to affiliate with an European Obedience considered to be irregular by our inclusion of women. As I have explained above there are indeed two different kinds of Freemasonry but it is not that there is secrecy between them, the Anglo Masons are forbidden to attend Lodge in what they are told is an irregular Lodge or to communicate the secrets of Freemasonry with an irregular Mason.