Was NOT an Airplane (as per General)

I'm going to go with the Genral for reasons listed:

- His background experience is clear and he doesn't seem to faulter in his belief when speaking
- He's OLD. Old former general, nothing to lose, has seen all there is to see in life, he doesn't care if he's silenced.
- He said himself that jet liners don't con at the altitudes displayed in the video.
- His explanation of the trajectory being corrected into C-Form as the guidance systems locked on, was spot on.
- He specifically states that it could be a blackops program that the government simply wants to keep secret.

Based on what he is bringing to the table, versus the "toy rocket" professional (LOL), and the so-called "Optical Illusion", I'm going to go with the General. There is a saying that when you feel something in your gut, go with it, and my guts telling me it's a missle.

Besides, it's a typical disinfo tactic to present numerous false ideas and toss the word "Experts" in there to make it sound proof, when in fact, the expert could be an ametuer videographer or their local-office videographer, whom in my case, is not a REAL expert.

P.S.

I'm still laughing at the toy rocket explanation.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
When the media is owned and operated by the government, do you really have to question their motive (or lack thereof)?

Maybe they did film it all and the government filed it away with it's fellow (oh chit!) other tapes throughout history?

You are doing an awfully lot of special pleading to convince people that square peg belongs in a round hole.

Are you a disinformation agent?

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

I understand how people could think it was a missile. I don't think anyone is crazy for believing so.

I can't understand how people can ignore the evidence that it was not a missile. I can't understand how people can cling to a single, edited, video as evidence that it was a missile. I can't understand how people cannot understand that US808 was in exactly the right location at exactly the right time on the 8th and on the 9th.

Crazy has nothing to do with it.

Please watch the manners in this thread and avoid excessive quoting.

ATS has a very nice "reply to" option at the top of each post to eliminate the necessity of quoting entire posts.

Please be so kind as to use it.

Thank you.

Grady

reply to post by Phage


So you have DEFINITIVE proof that it was Flight 808...the 757 Twin Engine Jet?

If so, why don't YOU make a thread with all your gathered evidence?

And do you have nay rebuttal to the General's words in the OP's video?

Not to argue from authority...but I'm curious of what your background and profession is if you wouldn't mind indulging me. You seem to be an 'expert' on a whole range of things and I was wondering how one person could be an authority on so much VS. people of deeper expertise.

reply to post by MRuss


I and many others are with you.

I am going to excuse myself from my own thread because this is a Merry-Go-Round with dis informants (and/or complete inept brainwashed people) at the switch.

I know it was a missile.
You know it was a missile.
And I'd imagine 75% of the people who even KNOW of this story, believe it was a missile so, why beat this horse anymore? Nothing will become of it anyways.........So this is not good for the soul let alone, blood pressure anymore.

I've been at this thread for 4 hours while my world could be blowing up as I sit here refuting with the same rebuttal so I am just wasting time!
Let me check on the world and report back with any new doom er.....I mean, news!
(Now behave people. Don't MAKE me come back here............. )

Well I s'ppose when I feel a need to correct the 'official information' then yeah....I am a dis-informant.
I am the governments' worse nightmare (and I wonder why I get subjected to cavity searches at the airports. Ha!)

L.A. is a busy place, where are the other contrails from other flights? Anybody?
numero 2 lineo.

reply to post by Phage

You're right, something else is going on...but I dare not put a name on it.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

US808 was in the right place at the same time the contrail appeared...twice so far.

Sometimes a specialized knowledge base is not as useful as a more diverse one. Using a single, edited video as evidence can lead to false conclusions when other factors (atmospheric conditions, flight records, previous occurrences) are not considered.

My qualifications are not really relevant since really all I'm offering is my opinion (unless I specifically state otherwise). But as you've noticed, I do seem to have a fairly wide knowledge base (though I don't think I would really be considered an "expert").

When I started reading this idiotic thread, it was already nine pages long. By the time I reached the "end" it was up to 10 pages.

So far, the only convincing evidence presented indicates that the object was an airliner. There is only opinion to "support" the missile theory.

The fact that the news photographer filmed the event for 10 minutes should have been enough evidence by itself that this was not a missile. I have seen more than 40 rocket and missile launches and the ignition burn generally lasts two to three minutes at most.

Originally posted by Phage
My qualifications are not really relevant since really all I'm offering is my opinion (unless I specifically state otherwise). But as you've noticed, I do seem to have a fairly wide knowledge base (though I don't think I would really be considered an "expert").

Your qualifications are relevant...to those who want to change the subject and make a logically-fallacious argument.

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Well, I wasn't actually sure what it was, but after the General, with years of experience, says it was not a plane, then i''ll except that.

He also stated he had flown jets too.

I would say that years of experience have a huge impact on my point of view, especially coming from someone like the General.

I don't think it was a plane either... An optical illussion just seems like a bad excuse for not knowing what it is. As far as it being a power display with a ballistic missile, I don't think it was that either 'cause they would just be shooting their own foot by not acknowleding it afterwards - that would just send a signal of not having any control of their own airspace. So what was it? I don't know, but I think it's curious that whatever it is, it flashes red and then green at the end of the video.

reply to post by Phage


Since you have said for 3 days straight now that Flight 808 is most likely the culprit, then I'm wondering why the FAA , Airlines, and all transport and Norad don't say the same thing. Since it seems like the 'obvious' answer.

I mean, since this is being reported all over and creating a stir, why not put the issue to bed and declare "US 808".?

I know you can't answer for them, but do you have a thought why by now nobody has claimed US808?

Forgot to add. I did watch the extended video of this event and it appeared VERY much like a plane when it lost it's contrail and was flying further out. But then I am aware that missile also lose their initial exhaust trail too, so it's not so cut and dry.

Someone's not been paying attention...

For all of those who want to continue to perpetuate the idea this was a missile...answer one question...where is the flame? Why doesn't the contrail look like a missile exhaust?

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

You're right, I can't answer for them and have no desire to. I don't tend to speculate about other people's motivations, even less so those of bureaucrats. I don't really care what "they" say. Why do you? Would you believe them anyway?

I reached my own conclusion some time ago based on all the information I could gather. As more data became available my conclusion was reinforced, not weakened. I don't need "them" to tell me what flight it was when US808 was in the right place at the right time...twice in a row.

I've dug around a bit through these plane vs. missile threads, and I just can't help wondering: if we were to look at this "event" as a right hand, what is the left hand doing?

reply to post by DoomsdayRex



Are you stating that flames are always visible on a missile or rocket?

Conversely, are you stating that the video shows nothing which could resemble a 'flame'?

Because there are numerous videos of missile with no flame visible in flight. Missiles have stages and there are many factors in their exhaust, as far as I know.

And the initial videos shows an orange glow on the rear of a missile, which could ALSO be reflection of the Sun.

Like I said, it's not a cut and dry subject.