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Was NOT an Airplane (as per General)
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I agree that it should come down to the facts and not opinions, but so far there have been no real facts presented. A fact is not an "Official" stating what something they declare is true. What evidence can you provide that you found for yourself (not told or read about from someone else) that can be presented as a fact on this issue.
I don't have an issue with you being a skeptic, but I can't stand when you or others attack someone else when you yourself do not have any solid facts or proof to the contrary!
A good researcher or one who thinks for themself would not rule-out anything. Instead, they would treat all info as a possible lead, ranking the more likely to the least and using a systematic approach to make a decision. Not just Nay saying!
edit on 12-11-2010 by iwan2ski because: (non
given)
reply to post by Thill
ALready accomplished.
USAir 808, Honolulu to Phoenix.
Here: flightaware.com...
And,here: flightaware.com...
I skimmed through the thread and probably missed this question but really , how hard would it be to track down that plane ? O mean it this was a plane it had to be on radar , it had to be a registered flight , so how hard would it be for the officials to track the records back to the exact plane that was at that location during that time ?
ALready accomplished.
USAir 808, Honolulu to Phoenix.
Here: flightaware.com...
And,here: flightaware.com...
Like I said , I probably missed the question and explanation , thank You for directing me to the data so that I can look over it .
reply to post by Human_Alien
I don't see how I am adding anything to the "rumor." After "going through the evidence" the pentagon "determined" it was a plane, but that doesn't mean they don't know which plane it was and simply are refusing to say what it was.
Case and point. If someone saw a F-117 Nighthawk flying around in 1979 and nothing appeared on the FAA radar to confirm it, or a SR-71 Blackbird in the 60's, or a scram jet in the early 90's; it would be assumed that it was a UFO. That same General would have probably said, "It's not one of our planes we don't have that technology, or that is definitely a missile we don't posses any planes that fly that fast." All I am saying is that we don't know every secret that goes on behind closed doors, and there is a reason for that.
If this was indeed a missile, where was it fired from? What kind of missile was it? Where did it go after the ten minutes of filming? Why didn't any pilots notice anything out of the ordinary? Where are the rest of the eyewitnesses?
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I don't see how I am adding anything to the "rumor." After "going through the evidence" the pentagon "determined" it was a plane, but that doesn't mean they don't know which plane it was and simply are refusing to say what it was.
Case and point. If someone saw a F-117 Nighthawk flying around in 1979 and nothing appeared on the FAA radar to confirm it, or a SR-71 Blackbird in the 60's, or a scram jet in the early 90's; it would be assumed that it was a UFO. That same General would have probably said, "It's not one of our planes we don't have that technology, or that is definitely a missile we don't posses any planes that fly that fast." All I am saying is that we don't know every secret that goes on behind closed doors, and there is a reason for that.
If this was indeed a missile, where was it fired from? What kind of missile was it? Where did it go after the ten minutes of filming? Why didn't any pilots notice anything out of the ordinary? Where are the rest of the eyewitnesses?
Mod Edit: Big Quote – Please Review This Link.
edit on 2010/11/12 by GradyPhilpott because: see note above
You say people who follow religions are more-or-less blinded sheeple (for which, I agree) but yet people who see, hear, smell and sense the truth (yet go against the 'official' grain) are conspiracy theorists who are (again, more or less) uninformed?
Did you just say that?
Religions and government (who are the SAME people/Elite) ARE the problem who, make us 'awaken' people see right through their utter bull-crap.
All we need is for the Pope to chime in and say this was 'a plane' too then....I'm sure all the Christians will sleep a bit better too.
Complacency is as bad as compliancy when dealing with 'officials and authorities'.
Just wanted to mention something that I find of interest about this whole shenanigans. It took place at twilight in California, now from my own visits
to Ca one thing i noticed and pointed out to people was how short twilight actually is. At the time people didn't really understand what i was
talking about. A couple of years later, one of those i was staying with in Ca came over to Blighty to stay. I took them out to an old Motte and Bailey
castle to watch the twilight here and they were , frankly, totally gobsmacked.
They had never seen the sky look like it did. The reason? Twilight up in these parts lasts a lot longer and as such we are, to a large extent use to seeing all kinds of weird artifacts it produces. I do believe some of the confusion in this case comes from people simply not being use to seeing such a sight on a regular basis. That is, the event looks far more dramatic than it probably is because Americans simply don;t notice twilight in the same way as those who live in the higher latitudes do.
It was a fluke this happened when it did and i believe that fluke timing is, in some part, the reason why people are reacting so strongly. it is one of those things that it hard to quantify to someone who hasn't seen a twilight from 50 degrees North/South or higher. In fact there are a goodly number of misidentified UFO reports around twilgiht up here. You often see small clouds, in an otherwise clear sky, reflecting a golden burnished colour that, to the untrained eye do indeed look like some *alien craft*. because this effect can last for 5-10 minutes, sometimes longer, rather than 2-3 as it does father South people just notice it more.
Right ...back to the missile, no it's plane, no it's the space brothers stuff....
They had never seen the sky look like it did. The reason? Twilight up in these parts lasts a lot longer and as such we are, to a large extent use to seeing all kinds of weird artifacts it produces. I do believe some of the confusion in this case comes from people simply not being use to seeing such a sight on a regular basis. That is, the event looks far more dramatic than it probably is because Americans simply don;t notice twilight in the same way as those who live in the higher latitudes do.
It was a fluke this happened when it did and i believe that fluke timing is, in some part, the reason why people are reacting so strongly. it is one of those things that it hard to quantify to someone who hasn't seen a twilight from 50 degrees North/South or higher. In fact there are a goodly number of misidentified UFO reports around twilgiht up here. You often see small clouds, in an otherwise clear sky, reflecting a golden burnished colour that, to the untrained eye do indeed look like some *alien craft*. because this effect can last for 5-10 minutes, sometimes longer, rather than 2-3 as it does father South people just notice it more.
Right ...back to the missile, no it's plane, no it's the space brothers stuff....
edit on 12-11-2010 by FireMoon because: spelling
Why are some of you so interested on 'where it went' (if a missile)?
This wasn't a movie, where it was filmed and the camera followed the prop!
Who cares where it went. We live on a planet with 70% oceans.
And in one of your latest posts you say "the Pentagon said...." and you're using that as if that's a good thing.
Well, the 'Pentagon" were the ones who were baffled and started this whole mystery.
Listen my friend, after 9-11 and the Pentagon holding back dozens of video tapes on the alleged and hijacked Flight 77 (and showed THEIR people, 10 seconds of 'evidence' ) is all the reason to never ever believe them.
I have to assume you're young, right? Allow me to corrupt you into the world of reality. This world sucks. Life is great though...........!
To make legitimate extraterrestrial phenomena look absurd and ridiculous.
The lady is the usual nut case that turns extraterrestrial research into a complete fringe and crazy science.
Not a paradox to see the main stream news giving it air time.
"Fired an ICBM at Pladien ships" lol.
edit on 12-11-2010 by 11118 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by FireMoon
Not sure which side of the 'missile' fence you're on but if this was nothing but a misunderstanding then where were those highly educated people (with their 8 thousands college-degrees adorning their office walls. who supposedly make up our defense team) who could've thwarted this rumor as soon as it hit the air waves/public arena?
We went on for almost 24 hours with no 'official' scholar to set the record straight? What....?...did they all have to refer back to their picture-books and compare photos before they concluded this was a 'plane'?
Man....is it me? Am I just being over-the-top cynical and suspicious or are (some of) you people a bunch of compliant idiots? (not you FireMoon. I'm just shouting from the roof top at everyone at the moment)
Not sure which side of the 'missile' fence you're on but if this was nothing but a misunderstanding then where were those highly educated people (with their 8 thousands college-degrees adorning their office walls. who supposedly make up our defense team) who could've thwarted this rumor as soon as it hit the air waves/public arena?
We went on for almost 24 hours with no 'official' scholar to set the record straight? What....?...did they all have to refer back to their picture-books and compare photos before they concluded this was a 'plane'?
Man....is it me? Am I just being over-the-top cynical and suspicious or are (some of) you people a bunch of compliant idiots? (not you FireMoon. I'm just shouting from the roof top at everyone at the moment)
Originally posted by helix1776dragon
reply to post by Human_Alien
I served in the US Navy for 21 years. I bet my life on it that it was a missile launch. It came from out at sea and most likely was launched from a submarine. Seriously, how stupid can anyone be to believe that it was a plane or an amateur rocket. It amazes me how they insult the intelligence of the general public by saying they have no idea what it is yet it amazes me even more at how stupid the American people are to believe their story.
I did 6 years in the Air Force as a Jet Engine Tech, 7 Level. Did my Degree work in Aerospace Propulsion Engineering (ie), Rocket Scientist. That is a Rocket, not an airplane. If it was a scam Jet, it is Top Secret and new to be either dropped from a plane at 1000 ft, or launched from a submarine. Problem with the sub part, is that as of now a scram Jet will not work from a standstill, it takes around 450 mph inlet speed to start.
This proves how much that not only do they think the public is, but how Stupid they really are.
Just unbelievable. And these are the same people that are going to survive things like 2012 EMP or invations, etc. That's a good laugh.
reply to post by Stewie
Not sure if you posted the F-15 launching out of the sea as a joke or not, but that's not real and the F-15 is an Air Force fighter where as F-18's are Navy. It's a good hoax video though. Thanks for sharing!
Not sure if you posted the F-15 launching out of the sea as a joke or not, but that's not real and the F-15 is an Air Force fighter where as F-18's are Navy. It's a good hoax video though. Thanks for sharing!
edit on 2010/11/12 by GradyPhilpott because: Replaced quote of entire previous post with "reply to" tag.
Originally posted by iwan2ski
A good researcher or one who thinks for themself would not rule-out anything. Instead, they would treat all info as a possible lead, ranking the more likely to the least and using a systematic approach to make a decision. Not just Nay saying!edit on 12-11-2010 by iwan2ski because: (non given)
Yeah, look how far that got us in the 9-11 truth movement.
Nine years later there's still no one accountable and in prison.
So this Con-Missile will just go down in our screwed up history books for all our great grandchildren to laugh at. Yup, they'll be thinking: "Look kids, look how trusting and idiotic our ancient grandparents were when they actually believed and trusted their government. Thank gawd we humans are sovereign unto ourselves and have no one to answer to anymore! Now, let's go harvest our organic garden for it's time for supper soon"
reply to post by zorgon
I KNEW there was something off about your photos, it just took me a few times seeing you SPAMMING them in the threads, to realize what it was.
Take a CLOSE look at all your photos. THEY"RE the SAME DAMN EVENT....ALL THREE!!!! LMAO
Look at the clouds dude. Compare the formation of the clouds, the 'contrail' coming from the jet. It's the same damn photo taken from different angles with different filters or editing.
Look at the clouds....look at the break in the trails.....SAME PHOTOS!!!! Hahahahahaha
You posted them as 3 different events when it's just one.
And I looked around the web to see where you got those, it was from a blog that had A LOT to say about this event being a plane.
And people like you have been SPAMMING those pics all over ANY thread that is talking about this. Yet you never took the time to look at the cloud formation and trails.
WOW....that's hilarious.
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reply to post by Human_Alien
The point I'm making is more that, the colours involved in the video and the photos have subconsciously excited a good number of people. If this was just a dirty white plume of smoke in a typically blue Ca sky i suspect the hullabaloo would be a lot less intense. it sort of ,cos it's twilight, looks a lot more end of the world, the sky is falling in, than it probably is. The closer to the poles you live you see these skies and colours on a pretty regular basis and even then you can;t help looking and thinking..wow.
I'll give you a for instance, a couple of weeks ago at sunset for about 15 minutes from where i live the sky looked like this... From South West to West North West there was a layer of Stratus cloud about 20 degrees thick that had that side of the sky pure yellow. From West North West to North East was a huge layer of Cumulo Nimbus storm clouds, under which the land was effectively in darkness. The rest of the sky was totally clear and a totally pure pale blue with a rising moon and Jupiter quite prominent. In short, had the Valkyrie come riding across the sky you wouldn't have even flinched just thought, yup.... most fitting. Ragnarök n' roll folks...
I think the visuals of this incident have touched a nerve deep in many people's psyche that has triggered a sort of knee jerk reaction of... Chuff me, the world's ending this is a sign.. quick Elmer, have you stocked up on beans we got enough rounds for the shotgun? In other words the PTB having whipped up a state of paranoia about the USA being attacked by unseen forces, are reaping the effects of constantly banging on about it all.
Over here in Europe we are far more likely to believe the world will end cos someone, "Left the gas on" and went home early, rather than, we will all go down in flames cos some unspecified nutcase is out to get us all.. The reaction, in part, to this event , in part reflects the psyche of a nation who gives wholly too much credence to a work of fictions lurid last few pages.
if this happened in Euriope it would go summat like this..
Government hasn't a clue.... no change there then.... are the missiles built over here? yes.... there you go. then probably went off by mistake replete with mild amusement it actually got off the ground off course the PTB will eventually decide it's a plane.. now.....who is shagging who in Hollyoaks?
The point I'm making is more that, the colours involved in the video and the photos have subconsciously excited a good number of people. If this was just a dirty white plume of smoke in a typically blue Ca sky i suspect the hullabaloo would be a lot less intense. it sort of ,cos it's twilight, looks a lot more end of the world, the sky is falling in, than it probably is. The closer to the poles you live you see these skies and colours on a pretty regular basis and even then you can;t help looking and thinking..wow.
I'll give you a for instance, a couple of weeks ago at sunset for about 15 minutes from where i live the sky looked like this... From South West to West North West there was a layer of Stratus cloud about 20 degrees thick that had that side of the sky pure yellow. From West North West to North East was a huge layer of Cumulo Nimbus storm clouds, under which the land was effectively in darkness. The rest of the sky was totally clear and a totally pure pale blue with a rising moon and Jupiter quite prominent. In short, had the Valkyrie come riding across the sky you wouldn't have even flinched just thought, yup.... most fitting. Ragnarök n' roll folks...
I think the visuals of this incident have touched a nerve deep in many people's psyche that has triggered a sort of knee jerk reaction of... Chuff me, the world's ending this is a sign.. quick Elmer, have you stocked up on beans we got enough rounds for the shotgun? In other words the PTB having whipped up a state of paranoia about the USA being attacked by unseen forces, are reaping the effects of constantly banging on about it all.
Over here in Europe we are far more likely to believe the world will end cos someone, "Left the gas on" and went home early, rather than, we will all go down in flames cos some unspecified nutcase is out to get us all.. The reaction, in part, to this event , in part reflects the psyche of a nation who gives wholly too much credence to a work of fictions lurid last few pages.
if this happened in Euriope it would go summat like this..
Government hasn't a clue.... no change there then.... are the missiles built over here? yes.... there you go. then probably went off by mistake replete with mild amusement it actually got off the ground off course the PTB will eventually decide it's a plane.. now.....who is shagging who in Hollyoaks?
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
Good eyes!
Now that you mention it, it is plain as day. WOW. Three views of one event.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had three different views of the missile going up?
Now that you mention it, it is plain as day. WOW. Three views of one event.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had three different views of the missile going up?
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
Good eyes!
Now that you mention it, it is plain as day. WOW. Three views of one event.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had three different views of the missile going up?
He kept posting the same pics on the other thread too. It was right there in front of "plane" site the whole time (pun intended)
The same cloud formation is in ALL THE PICS!
To the OP's video. Like I said in the other thread. Those of us in Los Angeles have planes flying over all the time. We that grew up here are VERY familiar with contrails and missiles. Especially living through the 1980's here. There is something WAY off about this event.
But this isn't the first expert I've seen think it's a missile. And the fact that it's nearly 72 hours later and the flight number, flight time, arrival, departure, etc. hasn't been given to calm the public's nerves....the silence is deafening.
Strange stuff here.
edit on 12-11-2010 by Prove_It_NOW because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
If someone launched a missile that close to LA why did no-one else notice it? And surely some-one must have heard it? Los Angelenos are certainly used to contrails and would barely notice. Unless someone taped one from the right angle and claimed it was a missile.
If someone launched a missile that close to LA why did no-one else notice it? And surely some-one must have heard it? Los Angelenos are certainly used to contrails and would barely notice. Unless someone taped one from the right angle and claimed it was a missile.
reply to post by FireMoon
I dunno Fire. I am usually with you on most things (and probably still am with this too but) the background color (for me anyway) has nothing to do with my immediate impression. I am not awestruck by visuals as others are. I don't give a crap if this was filmed with a double rainbow behind it.
The fact is, this MISSILE shot upwards. You can color the background any way you'd like. It doesn't change that fact. For me anyways...................
If planes are starting to ascend like this upon take off (seeing I haven't flown in over a year now so who knows what's developed since....) then I'd imagine along with their peanuts, they're passing out barf bags as soon as the planes leave the tarmacs now, right?
It was a M-I-S-S-I-L-E.
Like it or not, we're not safe nor does the right hand know what the left hand is doing....or, do they?
This could've been a PsyOp too. After all, all this funky crap happens whenever a POTUS is out of the Oval office.
Coincidence? Nah......................................
I dunno Fire. I am usually with you on most things (and probably still am with this too but) the background color (for me anyway) has nothing to do with my immediate impression. I am not awestruck by visuals as others are. I don't give a crap if this was filmed with a double rainbow behind it.
The fact is, this MISSILE shot upwards. You can color the background any way you'd like. It doesn't change that fact. For me anyways...................
If planes are starting to ascend like this upon take off (seeing I haven't flown in over a year now so who knows what's developed since....) then I'd imagine along with their peanuts, they're passing out barf bags as soon as the planes leave the tarmacs now, right?
It was a M-I-S-S-I-L-E.
Like it or not, we're not safe nor does the right hand know what the left hand is doing....or, do they?
This could've been a PsyOp too. After all, all this funky crap happens whenever a POTUS is out of the Oval office.
Coincidence? Nah......................................
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
Yes, they are the same event and the website they are posted on says they are. There are even more photos of the same contrail. So what?
uncinus.wordpress.com...
The website also posts a forth image of the came contrail from a very different location which makes it very clear that it is not a missile.
Yes, they are the same event and the website they are posted on says they are. There are even more photos of the same contrail. So what?
uncinus.wordpress.com...
The website also posts a forth image of the came contrail from a very different location which makes it very clear that it is not a missile.
The actual New Years Eve contrail, viewed from Santa Monica. This is what the CBS "missile" contrail would have looked like to most people in LA, which is why nobody reported it.
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