Was NOT an Airplane (as per General)

Originally posted by the cynic jester
Supposing in a completely hypothetical, maybe it's possible but probably not, sense and this is a missile, where does this put us? Or am I in the wrong thread?

for that
u r in the wrong thread
try this one

De-Facto State of War: US vs China
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Originally posted by Cole DeSteele
Dr. Michio Kaku putting his money on an airplane. Good enough for me

then u r naive.
Mr. Cuckoo states in his interview
that ballistic missiles once launched
do not change course in flight.
EPIC FAIL !!!!

It's called a guidance system
and they are on just about all
US ICBM's.

Maybe you should choose a more
knowledgeable mentor. No offense

Originally posted by the cynic jester
This is a confusing thread. ......................

where does this put us?

It puts us right back to the 'name the blame' game.

It's ridiculous.

This was NOT a plane folks. What's wrong with you people? Perhaps subsequently there was a mysterious (purposefully placed) plane (in the second, third or NY sighting) but the first one was a missile.

People who witnessed it said it was a missile.
News reporters could not identify it.
The Pentagon was baffled.
Specialists and professional military personnel claimed it wasn't a plane.
What else do you need?

Either way, we're screwed.
Either our defense system is so inept that they can NOT discern a plane from a missile or............
we're being lied to. Take your pick. Either one is infuriating.

I've been flying all my life and I never took off in a perpendicular angle to the ground. So please stop this nonsense.
Planes don't take off vertically like a rocket. They take off gradually.

Once again, if this was a plane there wouldn't have been any confusion, right? Why wouldn't the Pentagon be able to distinguish what this craft was IMMEDIATELY? They're supposed to be among the most intelligent criminals walking this planet.

So c'mon. Put down the Kool aide. step away from your television sets and face the frightening truth: Our governments are lying to us, the news media swears to it and we're......screwed!
Plain and simple.

The mystery of the missile over California solved? According to various sources, the ‘missile’ was a jet contrail. Missing from the discussion, the eyewitness account from the guy who shot the video, KCBS photographer Gil Leyvas. Gil Leyvas: ‘The video speaks for itself. It’s definitely some object. It’s not a flock of birds or a jetliner. There was a large plume at the horizon and it kind of grew and got thinner, and it was spiraling in nature and as I zoomed into the point of it, you could see what appeared to be whatever it was, spinning in a trajectory like maybe a bullet or football.’

This, along with many (no, not one) current and retired military opinions agree- not a plane. Not just not a plane, it was a missile.

Government: it was a plane. Uh, move along, nothing to see here.

Hello,

I'm new to ATS, and I've been following this story in the news for quite awhile. I'm under the impression that this was a plane after all. Not a commercial one, but of a classified nature. Maybe a spy plane having a malfunction (which could possibly explain the odd looking contrail) and it had to return to base ASAP and compromise its location by adjusting its flight path over a massively populated area.

That's why the authorities were so silent about the matter from the onset, yet knew whatever "it" was, wasn't a threat to national security. Then later on after, "the evidence compiled during their investigation", they concluded it was in fact a plane. Just one of theirs. I mean not everyone knows exactly all the classified activities goes on at all times.

As far as it being a missile, if it was launched by something off the coast, you'd be sure to see massive amount of Naval activity in the area trying to find whatever it was that launched said missile. Time will tell?

Food for thought.

reply to post by boondock-saint


OK, you're so certain it's a "missile". Does this mean you also are specifically saying it's an ICBM?:

It's called a guidance system
and they are on just about all
US ICBM's

Now, for.this to be continued to be claimed as a "missile", can you answer some questions about a few inconvenient truths??

TRUTHS:

>The object responsible for the contrail (or, "plume", if you will) --- was its speed consistent with an ICBM (or any other rocket powered "missile", whether liquid-fueled or solid)??

>The contrail (or "plume") --- why did the portion that (IF a "missile") would have been at a lower altitude than the rest NOT exhibit the shadowing that one would expect, due to the fact (truth) that the Sun had already set (sunset that evening was 1654 PST)? WHY was the (apparently) "bottom" of the "plume" in direct sunlight??

>Why are there NO ATC radar records of any object not known and identified by ATC?? (Turns out, I read Thursday's USA Today last night, after signing off ATS...there was a story on page 3, I believe....RADAR TAPES WERE PULLED!!!!

Do you have logical and cogent answers for those...just three problems with the "missile" theory, right there.....???

Oh, and bonus #4: WHERE did any "missile" land? Did it achieve orbit? Or, come back down.** (Hint: ICBMs cannot achieve orbit. Look up their acronym to understand why, and read about their propulsion and power available, and max speeds).

I**I expect you might say "In the ocean." Now, that would be really convenient....

BTW, any idea how small a target NORAD is able to track (that they admit publicly)?? As small as Two cm in diameter, for objects in LEO...

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reply to post by weedwhacker

lol, I see ur doing the very same thing u
tried in the other thread and I'll give you
the same exact answer as there.

It is not my intent to prove what this object was.

It is my intent to prove what it wasn't


(that being US808)

reply to post by boondock-saint


Suspicious? What's so "suspicious" about my post? It is more plausible than a missile. Yes I just joined today, and I made that very clear. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

It was just easier saying 'you' because most on this thread, can identify with it but not you. You are the exception to the rule/norm/average/majority/herd. There. that ought to cover it!

reply to post by sprtpilot


Sad and sickening ain't it?

It's unreal.
The people hear the news media say "plane' then they all go on with their lives as if it were business as usual.
("building #7 fell due to structural fires too)

I am no longer upset with the perpetrators of these lies for I've gotten used to them. I am now upset with the believers of the perpetrators of these lies. They just give them a silent license to continue.

Sometimes the obvious explanation IS the answer and (after the media gets hold of it) the minority opinion is correct.
Get used to it because this is the new version of Occam's Razor circa: 21st century!

reply to post by boondock-saint


Well, this takes the cake for beyond rude!!

this is a highly suspicious post.
a brand new face pops up with a brand new
decoy plane theory and look, he just joined
today.

In the best spirit of ATS protocol I have tried to hold my tongue, regarding some you YOUR more outlandish "theories" (one of your other threads...).

And I will continue....but with a big spit-eating grin all the way, now....followed by a frown of disapproval, and a "Tsk Tsk", and a wave of the finger.....(NO, not that finger...!! The one like Stephen Colbert uses, in his personna, on his comedy show.....Some of this stuff on ATS would qualifiy as comedy gold, every now and then...)

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BTW, nice dodge on my question upthread. Just saw your evasive NON answer. My grin is widening. I have added a hint of sorrow, in my eyes too...and a slight shake of the head, in bemusement. Haven't gotten to eye-rolling, just yet...but wait, it might happen.

reply to post by Human_Alien

It's the same people. 911 happened the way the government said it happened. Nothing is being sprayed, all contrails are natural. This was a plane because the government and some blog put it all together for us.
Never mind expert testimony that disputes their "truth".
Funny, they never give ANY credibility to people ON THE SCENE on any of these topics. Video never captures what the naked eye can see.
I have come to expect it from the usual suspects.

Originally posted by majesticgent
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Suspicious? What's so "suspicious" about my post? It is more plausible than a missile. Yes I just joined today, and I made that very clear. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

You being new isn't necessarily a red flag (now Boon.....play nicely) but you adding another element to this 'rumor' is unnecessary.
Let's just say it was Santa Claus testing his new-fangled sled for next month then, shall we?

If this was some secret 'test' trust me, the USA has some of the biggest people in the highest places who'd make certain this wouldn't make the news (unless of course they wanted it to).
But let's go with your theory......and then consider what I just said too. Then question should be, why? Why let the minion know what's going (or not going) on?

C'mon. The Elite hold down the biggest secrets of mankind (I'll spare you my dissertation for now on that) so they either wanted us to know or..........it's not what you're saying.

But I stand firm on this:
I am certain it wasn't a plane (how? My IQ is larger than my shoe size)
I believe it was a missile (why? because it looks exactly like one)
I know the government is lying (how? because I am familiar with their work)

reply to post by Stewie


It is the fringe, and sometimes barely literate who see a "conspiracy" around every corner.

Those of us with some practical experience under our belts, some life knowledge and understanding can cut through the "conspiracy" garbage, and read the facts and judge appropriately.

"Conspiracy Theorists" who thrive on them (for they appear to have nothing else to live for, sometimes) need] to have a windmill to tilt at. I hope that reference isn't too vague, because I think it's quite apt, in many cases.

An easier one to understand, perhaps....religion.

Most religion adherents, and most "conspiracy theories" believers, are incredibly similar in style, willful disregard for solid evidence that threatens their dogma, and skewed paradigms, and general fingers-in-the-ears attitude, while maintaining a wild-eyed frothy manner, at times......

reply to post by Human_Alien


I'm still in the camp that believes it was a classified plane on a classified mission that the "authorities" doesn't want anyone to know anything about.

If it was a missile where did it go? Did it just vanish into thin air? If it was a foreign entity, that was an expensive and very risky way to send a message. Why waste a precious ICBM to send a message? Why risk being detected and possibly attacked by one of our subs? Why do we only see thirty or so seconds of the clip, why not the entire ten minutes?

I skimmed through the thread and probably missed this question but really , how hard would it be to track down that plane ? I mean if this was a plane it had to be on radar , it had to be a registered flight , so how hard would it be for the officials to track the records back to the exact plane that was at that location during that time ?

I mean , planes usually fly a strict route without deviations in order to be on time , (not taking into account very bad weather that forces the plane to deviate from course) , so again how hard can it be to check if there was any plane there at that time ?

LOL, that General is awesome and telling the truth! It cracked me up to see the shills come out on ATS and say that it was an airplane. What a joke! Once again our Pentagon lies. Do you expect anything else?

BTW, re: this OP ---

It is based on the ONE (and very minority) opinon of a certain General McInerny (Ret), correct?

Is it THIS GUY??

Would be very very careful putting my eggs into this basket(case). Seems there's a possible agenda at work here, a POLITICAL agenda. Who says this guy (retired) wouldn't trade his soul (and reputation) for a chance to poke at President Obama???

Oh, and in his bio...he has a total of only 4,100 hours!!! Over an entire military career?? I have about 20,000 hours.

I know what contrails look like. Does he?