Freemasonry, secret or not?

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Hespian
Catholic Bishops and Cardinals have been filmed at Bohemian Grove conducting what looks like Black Mass.

I would interested in seeing this films. Can you provide a link?

Catholic Church has pagan/ masonic sybolism throughout. Egyption Obelisk at vatican city. (male phallos, Osiris bodypart). Vatican Dome (female womb, Isis). This parallels the ones in Washington and City of London.

The obelisk is not a Masonic emblem and no where does one appear in the Blue Lodge, neither is the dome a Masonic emblem or symbol.

Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.


The "George Washington" Monument doesn't constitute as an obelisk I guess.

reply to post by Americanist

My only tactic is to stand by my beliefs and the facts around them. I don't base my opinion off of speculation and misconstruing men's words.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Remember what I said, you cannot corrupt the incorruptible.

You are human, you are capable of corruption. Don't try the "holier than thou" bull. Its a little unflattering to say the least.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
The freemasons are a world wide cult with members who sit on positions of power and push for a new world order.

Such as?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Those who feel they think they know more than the next man just because they wear an apron, you make me laugh.

What makes me laugh is that a non-member thinks he knows more than an actual member. You think yourself so smart, so wise, that you have discovered some secret truth about the Freemasons that no one else, but a select few know the truth. Its the height of arrogance. Do you really think that none of us have done research on the Freemasons?

Truth be told, someone, somewhere will always need a scapegoat to bitch about, and for some its the Freemasons. Even though they do good, you complain, but the important note is that your complaining doesn't stop them, they continue to do good regardless of your lies.


reply to post by Dr Cosma

Here's the difference between us and you. We can provide physical proof that what you say is not true. You cannot. You come in here, post a few one liner posts and expect someone to accept it as true. That's illogical and poor debating skills.

You can't just say, yes it is, without some evidence to back it up. Maybe a year when it was brought over, by who, their connection to Freemasonry, and any resemblance of an order to bring it to America.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Offer nothing but empty words?
What like your whole organization?

Ah yes, that's civil, just keep up with the insults. Our organization has done a lot of good, just look at the various charities that contribute millions to needy families/individuals.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
All you people do is say "oh he was not part of the 'real masons', he was part of a clandestine group"....please.

An example I'm guessing is Aleister Crowley, who was not ever a part of any recognized form of Freemasonry. I'm sure you could prove us wrong by providing his dates of initiation and what Lodge he belonged to. I'll be waiting with anticipation.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
We want proof because of the secrecy.

No law abiding philanthropic organization should ever give in to irrational fear/hatred to appease a few that would probably not be satisfied with what they see.

reply to post by Americanist

The Bohemian Grove has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

The monument is indeed an obelisk, but its not a Masonic symbol. If I picked some absurd object for a memorial, does it mean that object is exclusive to an organization? No.

reply to post by KSigMason

The Bohemian Grove has nothing to do with Freemasonry. The monument is indeed an obelisk, but its not a Masonic symbol. If I picked some absurd object for a memorial, does it mean that object is exclusive to an organization? No.

The fact so many of your brothers gather around BG isn't disconcerting to you in the slightest degree? That's odd behavior in and of itself.

Hardly a random and absurd object you're referring to now. It's a man's legacy. A beacon to the World. I'd argue it was skillfully chosen among other monuments. What other options did Freemasons really have? Let's see, are you guys big into Snoopy? Oh hell, hate to see you boxed in a dog house, but they do sort of resemble a lodge!

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Hespian
Catholic Bishops and Cardinals have been filmed at Bohemian Grove conducting what looks like Black Mass.

I would interested in seeing this films. Can you provide a link?

Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.

If your'e referring to the Alex Jones footage, I don't recall any Catholic Bishops or Cardinals being identified in the video. In fact, I don't recall a single individual being identified by name. Perhaps there's another video you're referring to? If so, we'd still like link...

Originally posted by pepsi78
Cult means knowlege, intelectual, the O means the cicle. Ocult means intelectual knowlege of how things evolve around god, around very far not even close. Problem is too much ocult and you lose your human side. You give it up for knowlege, something that should never happen. You start being fake to your self and to the people around you. You begin to be polite and nice but without really meaning it, without feeling it, some give up the self for knowlege, all the way to the red side

without the blue.

I believe you are meaning Occult, spelled with 2 C's. It is derived from latin, Occulus reffering to the eyes, Occult, more or less meaning hidden to the eyes, or Hidden knowledge, many things can be considered occult.
Basically something that is not widely known by the masses.

[edit] --> I was close! I should have consulted wikipedia before posting. But pretty much the same info.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Americanist
Your upper echelon has been a who's who of oligarchs.

name 5. Out of all the members there, I am sure you can name me 5 members who are verifiable masons right?

see, this is where we go from here. You either put up, or shut up. It's a simple game. without proof of any sort, your words carry such little weight.

Originally posted by Americanist
The fact so many of your brothers gather around BG isn't disconcerting to you in the slightest degree? That's odd behavior in and of itself.

name 3 of them. Just 3.
We will be right here.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Hespian
Catholic Bishops and Cardinals have been filmed at Bohemian Grove conducting what looks like Black Mass.

I would interested in seeing this films. Can you provide a link?

Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.

If your'e referring to the Alex Jones footage, I don't recall any Catholic Bishops or Cardinals being identified in the video. In fact, I don't recall a single individual being identified by name. Perhaps there's another video you're referring to? If so, we'd still like link...

You're confusing two different posters... I'm one, the other is Hespian I believe. Yes, you nailed the footage. The all male gathering must have name tags stuck to the folds of their robes. Makes them easier to identify up close. Correct me, if I'm wrong... Unless you picked up on the sarcasm of course.




Cross reference what is readily available:

en.wikipedia.org...
www.aip.org...
www.davekoz.com...
webster.aip.org...
imglib.lbl.gov...



Photo link:

molech.weebly.com...

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Americanist
Your upper echelon has been a who's who of oligarchs.

name 5. Out of all the members there, I am sure you can name me 5 members who are verifiable masons right?

see, this is where we go from here. You either put up, or shut up. It's a simple game. without proof of any sort, your words carry such little weight.

Originally posted by Americanist
The fact so many of your brothers gather around BG isn't disconcerting to you in the slightest degree? That's odd behavior in and of itself.

name 3 of them. Just 3.
We will be right here.

edit on 10-11-2010 by network dude because: (no reason given)

Help a brother out will you? Locate full roster sheets for the last century. I want to be able to verify accurately, so there is no confusion for you to fall back on. That's in the power of Freemasonry right? To know thy brother's names at least? Side note... I posted a BG list to cross reference.

Originally posted by Americanist
Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.

First of all, thank you for responding to a post I addressed to another member requesting a link. Being that you speak for them please post the link of the ceremony which the other poster described. Perhaps you could locate it between sarcastic outbursts.

The "George Washington" Monument doesn't constitute as an obelisk I guess.

I know you do not have a reading comprehension problem as if you did you would not have seen where I stated that the obelisk does not appear in any of the Blue Lodge degrees, and your stupendous observational skills would have obviously lead you to ascertain that the George Washington Memorial is not in a degree but a physical structure.

Right?

Thought so.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Americanist
Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.

First of all, thank you for responding to a post I addressed to another member requesting a link. Being that you speak for them please post the link of the ceremony which the other poster described. Perhaps you could locate it between sarcastic outbursts.

[quote[The "George Washington" Monument doesn't constitute as an obelisk I guess.

I know you do not have a reading comprehension problem as if you did you would not have seen where I stated that the obelisk does not appear in any of the Blue Lodge degrees, and your stupendous observational skills would have obviously lead you to ascertain that the George Washington Memorial is not in a degree but a physical structure.

Right?

Thought so.

The obelisk doesn't appear on my box of Chex Mix either, but that's irrelevant like the linkage you attempt to make between particular lodges and an aspect of Freemasonry. A small diversion off course that didn't last too long. The reference was meant as a certain talking point by the original poster. I'll allow him to reiterate, if he ever chooses to fool with you again.

Originally posted by Americanist
The obelisk doesn't appear on my box of Chex Mix either, but that's irrelevant like the linkage you attempt to make between particular lodges and an aspect of Freemasonry.

The Blue Lodge is not an aspect of Masonry, it is Masonry, everything else is ancillary. But you, in your profound wisdom regarding all things Masonic, knew this as well.

Right?

The reference was meant as a certain talking point by the original poster. I'll allow him to reiterate, if he ever chooses to fool with you again.

Oh wonderful, so you are going to let the person I addressed repsond to me if they so choose? You are truly magnanimous this fine evening.

Originally posted by Americanist
Help a brother out will you? Locate full roster sheets for the last century. I want to be able to verify accurately, so there is no confusion for you to fall back on. That's in the power of Freemasonry right? To know thy brother's names at least? Side note... I posted a BG list to cross reference.

wait, let me get this straight. You accuse masons of being involved with the evil Rothschilds, and Bohemian Grove. then when asked for any members names, you expect me to find out which ones are masons? Are you figgin serious? In a junior debate, like in 6th grade, the involved would ask the teacher to help finding some information. Here in the real world, you know, where adults live and work, you are expected to find your own links, do your own reserch, make your own damn bed.

When you grow up and decide to bring facts into a debate, then continue. Untill then, please refrain from bothering the grown ups.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Americanist
The obelisk doesn't appear on my box of Chex Mix either, but that's irrelevant like the linkage you attempt to make between particular lodges and an aspect of Freemasonry.

The Blue Lodge is not an aspect of Masonry, it is Masonry, everything else is ancillary. But you, in your profound wisdom regarding all things Masonic, knew this as well.

Right?

The reference was meant as a certain talking point by the original poster. I'll allow him to reiterate, if he ever chooses to fool with you again.

Oh wonderful, so you are going to let the person I addressed repsond to me if they so choose? You are truly magnanimous this fine evening.

Perhaps it is my fault for not clearly separating. Allow me to try this once more in a brand new bracketed approach.

The obelisk doesn't appear on my box of Chex Mix either, but that's irrelevant like the linkage you attempt to make between particular lodges (item two) and an aspect (might I add supplementary symbol - item one still part of the same sentence structure referring back to the obelisk) of Freemasonry.

I knew this, but I didn't realize how complicated such a solid distinction between two items would become for you. What I really think happened? I think you stretched yourself in order to make a tangent argument as part of an ill-fated effort to steer the original poster off course.

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist

 

My only tactic is to stand by my beliefs and the facts around them. I don't base my opinion off of speculation and misconstruing men's words.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Remember what I said, you cannot corrupt the incorruptible.

You are human, you are capable of corruption. Don't try the "holier than thou" bull. Its a little unflattering to say the least.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
The freemasons are a world wide cult with members who sit on positions of power and push for a new world order.

Such as?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Those who feel they think they know more than the next man just because they wear an apron, you make me laugh.

What makes me laugh is that a non-member thinks he knows more than an actual member. You think yourself so smart, so wise, that you have discovered some secret truth about the Freemasons that no one else, but a select few know the truth. Its the height of arrogance. Do you really think that none of us have done research on the Freemasons?

Truth be told, someone, somewhere will always need a scapegoat to bitch about, and for some its the Freemasons. Even though they do good, you complain, but the important note is that your complaining doesn't stop them, they continue to do good regardless of your lies.


reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

Here's the difference between us and you. We can provide physical proof that what you say is not true. You cannot. You come in here, post a few one liner posts and expect someone to accept it as true. That's illogical and poor debating skills.

You can't just say, yes it is, without some evidence to back it up. Maybe a year when it was brought over, by who, their connection to Freemasonry, and any resemblance of an order to bring it to America.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Offer nothing but empty words?
What like your whole organization?

Ah yes, that's civil, just keep up with the insults. Our organization has done a lot of good, just look at the various charities that contribute millions to needy families/individuals.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
All you people do is say "oh he was not part of the 'real masons', he was part of a clandestine group"....please.

An example I'm guessing is Aleister Crowley, who was not ever a part of any recognized form of Freemasonry. I'm sure you could prove us wrong by providing his dates of initiation and what Lodge he belonged to. I'll be waiting with anticipation.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
We want proof because of the secrecy.

No law abiding philanthropic organization should ever give in to irrational fear/hatred to appease a few that would probably not be satisfied with what they see.

reply to post by Americanist

 

The Bohemian Grove has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

The monument is indeed an obelisk, but its not a Masonic symbol. If I picked some absurd object for a memorial, does it mean that object is exclusive to an organization? No.

Well that was refreshing.
What makes you think I dont know?
What makes you think I dont know masons personally?
What makes you think some of those are not very near to me...
You know nothing.
What you meen empty one liners....
Have you gone through the thread.
Like when one or two of the members said that the Bible, Torah and Qu'ran are three sacred books they hold holy and if they found a contradiction with freemasonry and the holy books they would resign.
Well guess what smart ass, I posted the proof that in the Qu'ran the Dajjal (not the Djiin who are explained in sutra 72) the antichrist, is called 'The One Eyed Deceiver'.
Thats what I have done on this thread.
And no, what you think because you and all your bum chums have been corrupted that the rest are the same?
Wake up.
You know the reason why these clandestine groups are secret and hide is because they are not as powerfull as they would like to think they are.
If the world knew, really knew the truth....
Well, it wouldnt go down too well.
So enjoy hiding.

'The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep'

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Americanist
Help a brother out will you? Locate full roster sheets for the last century. I want to be able to verify accurately, so there is no confusion for you to fall back on. That's in the power of Freemasonry right? To know thy brother's names at least? Side note... I posted a BG list to cross reference.

wait, let me get this straight. You accuse masons of being involved with the evil Rothschilds, and Bohemian Grove. then when asked for any members names, you expect me to find out which ones are masons? Are you figgin serious? In a junior debate, like in 6th grade, the involved would ask the teacher to help finding some information. Here in the real world, you know, where adults live and work, you are expected to find your own links, do your own reserch, make your own damn bed.

When you grow up and decide to bring facts into a debate, then continue. Untill then, please refrain from bothering the grown ups.

If you're all growns'd up as they say in film, then I leaped to ancient. I put the ball in your court because it's your court remember? This is your brotherhood with names you can openly recite? I provided a link between the Rothschilds and Masons as defined by the Israel Supreme Court. I made a point to mention the whole banking cartel and its pitfalls. I go could on to cite the practice of taking one's land, worldly possessions, and money after a brief stay in a Masonic home as the basic racket. I am also inclined to leave you with reading material such as:

SCARLET AND THE BEAST — Vol. 3

English Freemasonry, Banks, and the Illegal Drug Trade

www.amazon.com...


The highlighted chapters include:

Chapter 1: Ancient Mystery Babylon and Drugs. The use of drugs in ancient mystery religions as a holy drink, as opium lozenges, as hashish sweets, and as cohoba snuff. Drugs used as an aphrodisiac during pagan religious rites, during black masses, and during sexual encounters with Satan.

Chapter 2: Modern Mystery Babylon and Drugs. British East India Company (BEIC) — the illegal drug distributor of the world from the 1603- 1873. The BEIC’s establishment of Masonic lodges throughout the Orient to protect the illegal drug trade. The British-Chinese Opium Wars. China cedes Hong Kong to London to establish drug banks. Chinese Triad Societies win Masonic revolution for Chiang Kai Shek. From Democracy to Communism.

Chapter 3: English Freemasonry’s Secret Agenda for Political Control of America. English Freemasonry’s South African gold and diamond mines used to finance the Southeast Asian opium farmers. Freemason Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholarships. How semi-secret English Masonic fronts are used in the illegal drug trade.

Chapter 4: Freemasonry and Central Banking. The rise of the Masonic house of Rothschild. Mail tampering, insider trading, and central banking. English Freemasonry centralizes wealth in Switzerland. Assassinations of American presidents who resist central banking. London’s plan to divide America by civil war. Freemason John Brown incites civil war. Northern and Southern Jurisdictions of Scottish Rite Freemasonry and the American Civil War. The Knights of the Golden Circle — a Masonic front. Masonry and the Southern Confederacy. Masonic Banks and Wall Street. Lincoln’s fight against central banking.

Chapter 5: Gradualism: Gold, Dollars, Debt, and Drugs. 33rd degree Mason John Wilkes Booth is contracted by London to assassinate Lincoln. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan — a Scottish Rite front. Jesse James, 33rd degree Masons robs banks to fund a second civil war in America. London’s role in the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913. London’s role in the Stock Market Crash of 1929. London opens World Bank in 1930 to loot gold reserves of European nations. The Federal Reserve confiscates American citizens’ gold in 1933. Deficit spending, a road to wealth for British Masonic bankers. English Freemasonry’s successful plan to steal the gold from Fort Knox. United Nations and drugs.

Chapter 6: A Freemasonry of Terrorists. Right-wing European and South American terrorists controlled by English Freemasonry. Proof that death of Italian banker Roberto Calvi was a Masonic ritual murder. English Freemasonry, CIA, FBI, and illegal drugs. Proof John F. Kennedy was assassinated by English Masonic interests. The Warren Commission, a Masonic cover-up. Masonic assassination of Pope John Paul I. Masonic drug lodges in Europe and South America. The Falklands Drug War.

Chapter 7: London’s Drug War Against America. Freemasonry and the Mafia. Freemasonry’s attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul II. Ethnic Mafiosi and Freemasonry. Quatuor Coronati Lodge of Masonic Research and drugs. Freemason George Orwell exposes English Freemasonry’s plan to destroy America through illegal drugs. Masonic drug counterculture. British rock and roll groups open new drug markets for English Freemasonry.

Chapter 8: Vietnam and the Drug Wars. From 1949 to 1950, Chiang Kai Shek and the Triad drug runners lose China to communism. Chiang’s western army flees to Burma to build opium empire. Red China backs North Vietnam in attempt to capture Burmese opium trade. British intelligence trains CIA on how to finance secret war against communism with Burmese drug money. Early 1950s, CIA moves into Burma to assist opium barons’ struggle against communist takeover. CIA transports drugs for opium barons. Drug wars in Southeast Asia escalate into Vietnam War. Fidel Castro wins communist revolution in Cuba and expels Mafia. John F. Kennedy is assassinated for pulling plug on Vietnam Drug War and Bay of Pigs operation. Cooperation between the CIA and the South American drug cartels in using Mena, Arkansas airport.




Under the sign of the Scorpion- the Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire

SECOND, ENLARGED EDITION IN ENGLISH

www.jyrilina.com...


This 447 page book provides stunning information about the secret role of the freemasons in international politics, about the bloody upheavals in France in 1789 and in Russia in 1917. The Author reveals the presence of dark Masonic forces behind the scenes (both Lenin and Trotsky were high-ranking freemasons and Illuminati, obeying the International Masonic Council). The Author pursues the history of the communist ideology from the Illuminati of the 18th century, to Moses Hess and his disciples Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The Illuminati movement was founded on the 1st of May 1776 in Ingolstadt, Bavaria. The book describes the role of the Illuminati in the French "Revolution". It then goes on to examine the so-called Russian Revolutions in 1917. J�ri Lina shows how the events in Russia between 1917 and 1991 still affect the fate of the world.

The author tries to answer questions like: Where did the Communist idea originate and how was it developed? Why did powerful international financial circles finance the "Russian revolutionaries" in March and November 1917? What was the purpose of the social destruction that followed and in which way did this serve the forces behind the Communists?

"Under the Sign of the Scorpion" will change the reader's perception of reality. After the fall of the Soviet power on the 24th of August 1991, the official archives have begun to reveal their secrets to amazed Russian historians. There is a constant flow of new shocking information but only a trickle has as yet reached us in Western Europe and America. Above all, we lack an overall picture. It is this picture which J�ri Lina attempts to give us in his book, which is largely based on released Russian material.
The author also explains why the Soviet Union was abolished and is currently being recreated under another name - the European Union.

"Under the Sign of the Scorpion" is likely to change the reader's perception of reality. The reader should gain insight into another reality from where certain powers are attempting to control us with invisible threads.
The book is illustrated.


Hopefully such insight straightens out your life.

reply to post by Americanist

look sport, could you please try to find a topic and stick to it? masons are now and have been the driving force of the drug trade since the 1600's. Really? Really?

Congratulations on reading a book. Perhaps you could figure out how the words are stung together into sentences and put some facts in yours next time you make them.

masons and the drug trade.


you passed the deep end quite some time ago.

welcome to the dark side.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Americanist

 

look sport, could you please try to find a topic and stick to it? masons are now and have been the driving force of the drug trade since the 1600's. Really? Really?

Congratulations on reading a book. Perhaps you could figure out how the words are stung together into sentences and put some facts in yours next time you make them.

masons and the drug trade.

you passed the deep end quite some time ago.

welcome to the dark side.

Yes but wouldnt it be logical to think that the freemasons have been involved or were involved in the drug trade?
We all know about the famous opium wars and how the British crown were involved.
Have members of the royal family been freemasons?
The answer to that question is yes.
I have'nt read the book, I'll have to read it.
But it makes you think, no?

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Americanist

 

look sport, could you please try to find a topic and stick to it? masons are now and have been the driving force of the drug trade since the 1600's. Really? Really?

Congratulations on reading a book. Perhaps you could figure out how the words are stung together into sentences and put some facts in yours next time you make them.

masons and the drug trade.

you passed the deep end quite some time ago.

welcome to the dark side.

I'm looking at a bunch of lol's which denotes lack of sanity in most outward cases.

Right around the 1600's we have:

East India Company


en.wikipedia.org...

Now that you mention it:

Freemasonry

en.wikipedia.org...

Freemasonry is a fraternal organisation that arose from obscure origins in the late 16th to early 17th century.

If someone has a problem reading, it's not me.

reply to post by Americanist


be blissful my young friend.

dark and blissful.

ND out.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Americanist

 

be blissful my young friend.

dark and blissful.

ND out.

It's a shame these type of threads normally fall on deaf ears.

Great choice of words btw... The exacting force of Creation.


Hang in there!